Wall

[H20fwler]

So now the USA has pledged over $10B to Mexico and Central America to help create jobs and info structure, to be paid for by our tax dollars to try and make those countries better places to live? WTF? Not seeing or hearing to much about that on the corrupt MSM or seeing liberals complain about that cost, and $5B for the wall is a problem for some people?
Our own borders and security should be priority #1. Protecting our country and citizens should always come first, then look into the free hand outs for these other countries.

 

[Tree Spud]

Hope he doesn’t shut the border while I’m down here

You may need one of those coyotes to help get you back

 

[Telemark]

I assumed any wall would come with border patrol to watch it. The wall will not stop anything by itself but it will make it much easier on border patrol to protect the border

This is right on. My brother in law is a border patrol agent. He recons a wall would make their job much easier. The wall would have cameras, and they would send out teams to intercept smugglers, etc. There would also be seismic sensors to detect movement and tunneling.

All of this already exists, at Nogales, for example. The idea is just that they will extend it across the whole border.

I think it's probably a good idea to build a wall in certain places, and possibly along the entirety of the Arizona and California sections of the border. I still doubt it would be worth the cost to build a wall along the Rio Grande.

 

[Telemark]

Here's my hunting hat:

 

[Telemark]

So now the USA has pledged over $10B to Mexico and Central America to help create jobs and info structure, to be paid for by our tax dollars to try and make those countries better places to live? WTF?

Wtf indeed. Absolutely asinine. Who is supporting this? I will vote against them if I can.

Spend the money in the US and enforce our immigration laws! Ten billion dollars can hire a lot of cops and Border Patrol.

 

[Knehrke]

I absolutely love the fact that I live in America where we can have these sort of conversations with differing viewpoints and vastly differing approaches to expressing our views, and still all be on the same side. It does epitomize how difficult it is to reach consensus, though. I am so glad not to be a politician or to work in Washington (for more reasons than one).

 

[Northbound]

Wtf indeed. Absolutely asinine. Who is supporting this? I will vote against them if I can.

Spend the money in the US and enforce our immigration laws! Ten billion dollars can hire a lot of cops and Border Patrol.

Or better yet don't spend the money at all!
I'm actually kinda digging this GoFundMe idea. Let the folks that wanna spend- spend.

 

[Catscratch]

I had it explained to me when I was younger... that if nobody that you wanted to do business with had money then you had no one to sell your product to, so make damn sure your target was prosperous. NAFTA's original concept was to use the regional's resources to sell to the world and make us all stronger, if part of "us" is failing then help them so that we can all prosper. I'm not sure I agree with it as I don't think some parts of the world want help or would use the help correctly, but I understand the concept. After-all... we don't have a huge immigration problem with Canada. With that said, you have to consider inflation if everyone is doing well. It's a fine line in my opinion...

 

[buckdeer1]

If mexico would enforce some type of immigration from other countries that would also help.From what I have seen it's the other countries that traveled to countries like france because they opened their arms but then found out their citizens were being attacked and robbed and put a stop to it.I guess we could pay them each 50K so they would go back home like they tried to get the US to do.We have to have controlled immigration instead of letting abunch of criminals and drugs dealers come and go as they please.

 

[Peeps]

 

[Peeps]

 

[Bowsnbucks]

Re - H20, post #101 - I can't see handing money out to other countries when our bridges, roads, rail systems, underground water & sewer lines, etc. are falling apart. How about guards, cameras and alarms to protect our drinking water sources ?? How long would our defenses / populations hold up without safe drinking water ?? Protections - electronic and physical - for our power grid ?? All these would create new jobs that would / SHOULD pay well, too. Wouldn't those help our economy ??

 

[H20fwler]

Re - H20, post #101 - I can't see handing money out to other countries when our bridges, roads, rail systems, underground water & sewer lines, etc. are falling apart. How about guards, cameras and alarms to protect our drinking water sources ?? How long would our defenses / populations hold up without safe drinking water ?? Protections - electronic and physical - for our power grid ?? All these would create new jobs that would / SHOULD pay well, too. Wouldn't those help our economy ??

I agree with everything you posted, just handing huge amounts of money out to other countries that are dumping their poor and criminals on us and then letting their corrupt governments decide how money is spent doesn't even make any sense at all. I would much rather see that money spent on protecting our borders with wall and cutting edge security systems/measures.

https://www.apnews.com/0fcda32812024680ad98676379c47233
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.657b7bb0eec7
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...a601226ff6b_story.html?utm_term=.281c29f390fa
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-central-america-curb-migration-idUSKBN1OH23X
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us...rica-southern-mexico-so-migrants-can-stay-put

President Trump also made campaign promises on fixing our infrastructure citing about everything you listed and is trying to do something about it. The problem is congress and senate swamp rats on both sides trying to block his every move with the "resist" movement and politicians wanting to line their own pockets at the same time.

https://www.nbc26.com/news/national...on-plan-to-fix-us-infrastructure-who-will-pay
https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-...-americas-infrastructure-time-to-follow?amp=1
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/12/trump-infrastructure-plan-200bn
https://www.dw.com/en/trump-reveals-plan-to-repair-americas-creaky-infrastructure/a-42551209

That congressmen and senators go into office taking jobs making two to three hundred thousand a year and retire millionaires should show how corrupt they truly are.

 

[SD51555]

Re - H20, post #101 - I can't see handing money out to other countries when our bridges, roads, rail systems, underground water & sewer lines, etc. are falling apart. How about guards, cameras and alarms to protect our drinking water sources ?? How long would our defenses / populations hold up without safe drinking water ?? Protections - electronic and physical - for our power grid ?? All these would create new jobs that would / SHOULD pay well, too. Wouldn't those help our economy ??

You are really triggered by protecting the border. Why? Is today the day you've been awakened on to how the government wastes money? Do you require a supply of 3rd world slaves to earn your living? What's really got you all lathered up?

I am genuinely curious. For as many people that have been murdered by illegals, the drugs, the guns, the deaths of the illegals themselves, the property damage, rape, ghettos, car accidents, lost jobs, etc, who still has a stake in keeping this going?

 

[Bowsnbucks]

SD51555 - First off - I'm not lathered up. And I'm not being "triggered " into being a fist-pounding idiot. I don't become a slobbering, shouting madman on here or anywhere else. I don't require anyone but myself to earn a living. I haven't hired anyone for anything. I don't want illegals here either. A few posts ago, I said that I think immigrants should go through the process to become citizens. I calmly concluded that I don't think a wall is the entire answer either. Hell - drug cartels have tunneled under our borders already - even putting lights and air circulation in those tunnels. So do you really think a wall is going to be the final, complete answer to illegal immigration ??

And what about the "promise" that Mexico was going to pay for the wall ?? Their government is laughing at us on that one. It looks like the U.S. taxpayer is going to have to pony up for that. I agree with someone else on this thread who said, "Let the guys who want it - pay for it " - referencing the "go fund me" effort already started by someone.

If YOU are serious about drugs, guns, murders, property damage, car accidents, etc. - …………….. how do you propose to stop all those things that are already happening in the U.S by our own "citizens" who - as a percentage of all crimes - commit the vast majority of them ??

Lost jobs to foreigners ?? Who is the real one at fault here ?? The guy (a Mexican, just as an example) who is trying to support his family - or the "U.S." employer who hires & uses him because he can pay him poverty wages ?? I'd be interested to hear your ideas on why G.M., General Electric, Apple, Nike, Microsoft, ………….. on & on - have moved jobs offshore. What about our tax money that pays for federal officials to draft & enact policies that teach (so-called) "U.S." businesses the ins & outs of how to set up their shops in foreign countries ?? Our tax dollars have subsidized the elimination of U.S. jobs !! Our taxes have paid for the education of those who move jobs offshore. ( Education in the sense that they are taught how to deal with foreign governments, what's legal & illegal over in those countries, who to contact, etc.) The numbers of jobs lost to people sneaking in here pale in comparison to the numbers of jobs lost to "so-called" U.S. businesses moving to other countries for poverty-level workers.

And I'm not endorsing the illegals that "sneak" in.

Just for clarification - I'm typing this very calmly, with steady blood pressure. No lather. No anger toward anyone - here or elsewhere.

 

[Bowsnbucks]

H20 - Obama also stressed the need for infrastructure improvements & tried to get funding for it - but the Republicans in both houses would not even consider it. Politics. Did the country, as a whole ………… win on that ?? It's all about who gets the credit. How much further along would we be if infrastructure funding would've happened in say, 2010 or 2012??

When something's clearly a need for the whole country, such as infrastructure improvements - wouldn't both sides gain some political capital / feathers in their hats - if they worked together to accomplish what America truly needs ?? Wouldn't votes follow those who put politics aside & actually did some good for a change ?? Isn't this why Congress is always at the bottom of the barrel in polls asking the public who they trust ??

 

[SD51555]

SD51555 - First off - I'm not lathered up. And I'm not being "triggered " into being a fist-pounding idiot. I don't become a slobbering, shouting madman on here or anywhere else. I don't require anyone but myself to earn a living. I haven't hired anyone for anything. I don't want illegals here either. A few posts ago, I said that I think immigrants should go through the process to become citizens. I calmly concluded that I don't think a wall is the entire answer either. Hell - drug cartels have tunneled under our borders already - even putting lights and air circulation in those tunnels. So do you really think a wall is going to be the final, complete answer to illegal immigration ??

And what about the "promise" that Mexico was going to pay for the wall ?? Their government is laughing at us on that one. It looks like the U.S. taxpayer is going to have to pony up for that. I agree with someone else on this thread who said, "Let the guys who want it - pay for it " - referencing the "go fund me" effort already started by someone.

If YOU are serious about drugs, guns, murders, property damage, car accidents, etc. - …………….. how do you propose to stop all those things that are already happening in the U.S by our own "citizens" who - as a percentage of all crimes - commit the vast majority of them ??

Lost jobs to foreigners ?? Who is the real one at fault here ?? The guy (a Mexican, just as an example) who is trying to support his family - or the "U.S." employer who hires & uses him because he can pay him poverty wages ?? I'd be interested to hear your ideas on why G.M., General Electric, Apple, Nike, Microsoft, ………….. on & on - have moved jobs offshore. What about our tax money that pays for federal officials to draft & enact policies that teach (so-called) "U.S." businesses the ins & outs of how to set up their shops in foreign countries ?? Our tax dollars have subsidized the elimination of U.S. jobs !! Our taxes have paid for the education of those who move jobs offshore. ( Education in the sense that they are taught how to deal with foreign governments, what's legal & illegal over in those countries, who to contact, etc.) The numbers of jobs lost to people sneaking in here pale in comparison to the numbers of jobs lost to "so-called" U.S. businesses moving to other countries for poverty-level workers.

And I'm not endorsing the illegals that "sneak" in.

Just for clarification - I'm typing this very calmly, with steady blood pressure. No lather. No anger toward anyone - here or elsewhere.

I can't believe I missed it. It's the president. That's what it is. That's the only reason a person would complain about "how" they were kept safe.

 

[chummer]

Obama put 800 billion for infrastructure in his stimulus package. Only 28 billion was used. Why, because government moves at a snails pace. They couldn’t get through their own red tape to claim the money. The day being a politician became a life long job was the beginning of the end. Not sure how it will happen but we have to have term limits. All politicians are crooks, they may not come in as crooks but they all leave as crooks.

 

[TreeDaddy]

........"if you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding"..........;)

happy new year!!!!!!!

bill

 

[bwoods11]

I like the idea of a wall with periodic solar panels, electric at the top, so you cannot scale it. The extra solar could provide much needed "green energy" to combat that pesky (Global Warming)