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None of this would be necessary if the prize wasn't so great for getting here along with the welcome wagon of traitors cheering their invasion. I'd concede the wall if we just turned the damn light off. There would be no anchor baby citizenship, no healthcare, no food, no education, no apartment, no metro pass, no cell phone, no library card, no welfare consultant to help fill your cart. You still come here after all those enticements have been eliminated, and you'll be sheltered in a tent camp in the desert until we catch enough of you to fill a bus and send you back.
 
H20 - I'll have to read the links you posted and investigate more. I like multiple sources for helping to come to a conclusion. The problem is weeding out the politics in dollar reports - each side has axes to grind. Thanks for posting the links.
 
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They wouldn't need a wall if they would arm a bunch of predator drones and have some nerds auto pilot the border and take out the invaders as the try to cross. People would get the message and stop coming real quick.


In all seriousness, these countries are shit holes. If they weren't, people wouldnt be fleeing them. We should send the statue of liberty to Mexico with a sign that says keep your sick, pregnant, poorly educated, terrorist, gang members and drugs in your own damn country(s).


I am more than happy to put up the worlds biggest f*****g door for those that want to come here and work and not cram their religion or culture down my throat. And for the love God, the language of the land is English. It is truly depressing watching what these asshole politicians have done to our country. I feel like Trump is the only one in DC that isnt a politician.



Any of you know what the Canadians do to an American if your boat motor stalls and you end up in Canadian water on our northern border in MN? Nothing like the red carpet you get to make it in here and drop your anchor.
 
I have a question for those of you that dont support a wall because it wont stop all of the illegal entry.

Do you do anything in life to make things better, that you know wont be perfect?

Do you try to funnel deer by cutting trees, even though you know some deer will still get through your funneling?

Do you plant food plots to help habitat, even though you know some creatures wont benefit ?

If you left your kitchen faucet on, and the drain was plugged, and water was pouring onto the floor, what would be your first step to improve the situation?

Would you try to clean the drain so the water can go down the drain first?
Would you start wiping the water off the floor first?
Or would the smartest thing be to shut the water off, so the source of the water/mess is stopped, or slowed before trying to clean up the mess?

To people 5 billion dollars is a lot of money, but to the US government it is peanuts, and the fight over the 5 billion isnt worth the stress. This 5 billion has divided our government, it has sent many people home without a job for the past couple of weeks, with no real end in sight. I say take the 5 billion, seal up the worst spots so the flow of illegals is funneled into certain areas, that can be manned easier. Just my thoughts, which arent worth much!
 
I have a question for those of you that dont support a wall because it wont stop all of the illegal entry.

Do you do anything in life to make things better, that you know wont be perfect?

Do you try to funnel deer by cutting trees, even though you know some deer will still get through your funneling?

Do you plant food plots to help habitat, even though you know some creatures wont benefit ?

If you left your kitchen faucet on, and the drain was plugged, and water was pouring onto the floor, what would be your first step to improve the situation?

Would you try to clean the drain so the water can go down the drain first?
Would you start wiping the water off the floor first?
Or would the smartest thing be to shut the water off, so the source of the water/mess is stopped, or slowed before trying to clean up the mess?

To people 5 billion dollars is a lot of money, but to the US government it is peanuts, and the fight over the 5 billion isnt worth the stress. This 5 billion has divided our government, it has sent many people home without a job for the past couple of weeks, with no real end in sight. I say take the 5 billion, seal up the worst spots so the flow of illegals is funneled into certain areas, that can be manned easier. Just my thoughts, which arent worth much!

I think asking questions is a good way to explore issues. I also like the passion surrounding the issues of illegal immigration as hopefully this passion leads to results.

They have built 600 miles of fence along some of the easiest portion of the border. The cost averaged $2,000,000 a mile. I do not know if that is just fence cost or included expropriation and other related costs as well. I'm rather sure it does not include extra manpower and all other expenses to maker the fence work. There is another 1900 miles to go.That should create a framework for the money required to build a fence not including ongoing support and other unaccounted for expenses.

So a few more questions:
Is there a more effective way to spend said money [ or drastically less] to stop illegal immigration? Is anyone having that discussion?
If we know where , when, and how illegals are crossing the border now and could stop it today with resources already available why aren't we ? If it is a question of additional manpower couldn't that be addressed now? Much more cost effectively?
How are the illegals gaining access to the U.S. transporting from the border to wherever they are going? And why cant they be stopped there now?
If politics is the reason why we aren't dealing with the problem today then why do we think politics won't thwart the wall be successful even if it is built? Do we all agree that even with a wall it will still take significant additional resources to control the problem?
If the penalty for hiring illegal immigrants was stiff enough to eliminate the incentive to hire how does that effect the problem? what does it cost to implement and manage that?
DO we really think drug smugglers give a flip about a wall?
How are we going to build a wall thru the cities that lie along the border?
Certainly illegals wouldn't try to cross a skinny river flowing thru a city? Would they? { I see them swimming and playing in the Rio Grande crossing at Eagle Pass all the time}
Have we done any research to see if the wall in place is working?

Enough for now but I could go on. Is it worth starting a dialogue about solving the problem...controlling illegal immigration effectively along the U.S / Mexican border rather than debating the political fight about building a wall?
 
If the wall would have negligible effects, the question becomes why are the Dems fighting against it so hard?

Because $5B is a waste of tax payers dollars which only grow our record deficit with no ROI if you think we can build a concrete wall along all 1954 miles of our border with MX for $5 billion I'm truly worried about this countries future. Can't you see this is just a silly political ploy by a desperate man trying to hang onto his presidency? There are real problems to solve. How about we figure out what to do with the 11 million illegals already living here? Or crumbling infrastructure? Lets spend the $5B of our tax dollars on improving our roads and bridges. This would produce real jobs and revenue. How about reducing the record deficit that keeps growing under Trump and republican control. Remember when the republican party used to be pro business and fiscal responsibility? Now they are putting tariffs on our manufactures and consumers and giving corporations tax cuts who were already making record profits while our deficit keeps growing. Open your eyes, get off talk radio, Turn off Fox news and CNN and facebook and try to figure out whats really going on. The NY conman with a Twitter obsession is taking this country down a bad road
 
Baker, I think all of the things need to be done to put a good reduction in illegals coming here.

On the opposite side of this, I also think immigration needs to speed things up a bit. If they worked at faster then a snails pace to go through the legal immagrants, there would be less illegal crossings. In other words, you would still have the bad guys want to sneak across the border, and the good guys would try to do it legally through imagration, then border patrol would focus on the illegal crossings more because those illegally crossing would most likely be sneaking across because they know they wouldnt pass background checks at the border.

I think comapnies that hire illegals need to be fined heavily, and have a mandatory company closure if it is a repeat offense, dont mess around.

Free handouts need to stop.

California should be on the southern side of the new wall.
 
If the wall would have negligible effects, the question becomes why are the Dems fighting against it so hard?

Because $5B is a waste of tax payers dollars which only grow our record deficit with no ROI if you think we can build a concrete wall along all 1954 miles of our border with MX for $5 billion I'm truly worried about this countries future. Can't you see this is just a silly political ploy by a desperate man trying to hang onto his presidency? There are real problems to solve. How about we figure out what to do with the 11 million illegals already living here? Or crumbling infrastructure? Lets spend the $5B of our tax dollars on improving our roads and bridges. This would produce real jobs and revenue. How about reducing the record deficit that keeps growing under Trump and republican control. Remember when the republican party used to be pro business and fiscal responsibility? Now they are putting tariffs on our manufactures and consumers and giving corporations tax cuts who were already making record profits while our deficit keeps growing. Open your eyes, get off talk radio, Turn off Fox news and CNN and facebook and try to figure out whats really going on. The NY conman with a Twitter obsession is taking this country down a bad road

As opposed to previous conman who told that GDP would never get above 2% and it was as high as 4.2% this year under the guy from NY?

I'll take this conman over the previous idiot dem conman any day. The previous conman told us expect to see things get worse and they did. The current guy told us to expect things to get better and they have.
 
If the wall would have negligible effects, the question becomes why are the Dems fighting against it so hard?

Because $5B is a waste of tax payers dollars which only grow our record deficit with no ROI if you think we can build a concrete wall along all 1954 miles of our border with MX for $5 billion I'm truly worried about this countries future. Can't you see this is just a silly political ploy by a desperate man trying to hang onto his presidency? There are real problems to solve. How about we figure out what to do with the 11 million illegals already living here? Or crumbling infrastructure? Lets spend the $5B of our tax dollars on improving our roads and bridges. This would produce real jobs and revenue. How about reducing the record deficit that keeps growing under Trump and republican control. Remember when the republican party used to be pro business and fiscal responsibility? Now they are putting tariffs on our manufactures and consumers and giving corporations tax cuts who were already making record profits while our deficit keeps growing. Open your eyes, get off talk radio, Turn off Fox news and CNN and facebook and try to figure out whats really going on. The NY conman with a Twitter obsession is taking this country down a bad road

I don’t think anyone thinks 5B is going to build the wall, it will just give it a good start.
I don’t care if it costs 30B or 100B to get it done... to stem the flow of illegal immigration is worth it to help protect our country and make it safer and stop the finanacial drain on taxpayers created by the open border policy democrats seem to love so much. I think the number of illegal immigrants in the US is closer to 20M plus than 11M.
If you think 5B is going to fix the crumbling infrastructure your about a trillion dollars off.
Blaming president Trump for the National Deficit is laughable, were you equally concerned between 2008-2016 when it more than doubled?
You should have just started your post with “I hate Trump I don’t care what he does I’m against it”.
Hope your enjoying the economy those corporate tax cuts, deregulations and tariffs you are poo-pooing have created.
 
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My idea... Screw the wall (even though I'd love to have the permanent structure that remains for many more administrations).
Relocate all US based military bases to the southern border. Use the area for missile test ranges and all other military exercises. Nothing unconstitutional about that, and who on Earth would want to cross our borders near regular military exercises? Can the 9th circus stop the President from locating where bases are established? Kill 2 birds with one stone...locate bases where there they can serve a double-duty (and, at the same time, be moving bases OUT of blue states! (which suck our tax dollars)...screw 'em!).
Hey, we have to locate our bases somewhere, right? Why not put them on the borders? And if the day ever comes when we do need our military located there, then we don't need to relocate them.
 
Maybe we could get the immigrants to work on the wall while they wait for processing. This accomplished several things. Gets the wall built, reduces cost and technically other countries are helping pay for it.
Seriously, nobody expects mexico to just cut a check for a wall, barrier what ever you want to call it but, there are ways to recover costs one way or another from them.
 
If the wall would have negligible effects, the question becomes why are the Dems fighting against it so hard?

Because $5B is a waste of tax payers dollars which only grow our record deficit with no ROI if you think we can build a concrete wall along all 1954 miles of our border with MX for $5 billion I'm truly worried about this countries future. Can't you see this is just a silly political ploy by a desperate man trying to hang onto his presidency? There are real problems to solve. How about we figure out what to do with the 11 million illegals already living here? Or crumbling infrastructure? Lets spend the $5B of our tax dollars on improving our roads and bridges. This would produce real jobs and revenue. How about reducing the record deficit that keeps growing under Trump and republican control. Remember when the republican party used to be pro business and fiscal responsibility? Now they are putting tariffs on our manufactures and consumers and giving corporations tax cuts who were already making record profits while our deficit keeps growing. Open your eyes, get off talk radio, Turn off Fox news and CNN and facebook and try to figure out whats really going on. The NY conman with a Twitter obsession is taking this country down a bad road
the only ones putting tariffs on our manufactures and consumers is other Countries not the Republicans, I guess I fail to see the point of your statement. As far as the Dems thinking 5B is a waste of taxpayer money. First that is a matter of opinion which Varies widely. Second the Dems invented the process of wasting taxpayer money.
 
If the wall would have negligible effects, the question becomes why are the Dems fighting against it so hard?

Because $5B is a waste of tax payers dollars which only grow our record deficit with no ROI if you think we can build a concrete wall along all 1954 miles of our border with MX for $5 billion I'm truly worried about this countries future. Can't you see this is just a silly political ploy by a desperate man trying to hang onto his presidency? There are real problems to solve. How about we figure out what to do with the 11 million illegals already living here? Or crumbling infrastructure? Lets spend the $5B of our tax dollars on improving our roads and bridges. This would produce real jobs and revenue. How about reducing the record deficit that keeps growing under Trump and republican control. Remember when the republican party used to be pro business and fiscal responsibility? Now they are putting tariffs on our manufactures and consumers and giving corporations tax cuts who were already making record profits while our deficit keeps growing. Open your eyes, get off talk radio, Turn off Fox news and CNN and facebook and try to figure out whats really going on. The NY conman with a Twitter obsession is taking this country down a bad road

Are you butt hurt about the record economy and record job growth in the US? Did you see the jobs report today?

Maybe this so called con man knows what he is doing! I’d say take your Pelosi poster down, and get out in the real world, business is rocking!!!

My business was up 18% in 18, and I’m hearing that from many others.
 
For those that don’t think a wall can work read this

It will absolutely help. There is no doubt about that. The only worthwhile debate is whether or not it's worth the cost.
 
Are you butt hurt about the record economy and record job growth in the US? Did you see the jobs report today?

Maybe this so called con man knows what he is doing! I’d say take your Pelosi poster down, and get out in the real world, business is rocking!!!

My business was up 18% in 18, and I’m hearing that from many others.

The majority of my customers had great or record years in the construction business. This is in NY which is one of the worst 3 states to run a business. Hope the con man keeps on conning because for the first time in 20 years business owners are optimistic. Something I didn’t think I would see in this state again. Their only complaint is the non stop obstruction from the dems and the media. Just let him do his job, if he doesn’t do a good one vote him out. That is how it is suppose to work. Trying to bring a country/presidency down over hurt feeling helps no one.
 
When the corporate tax breaks came, my company put in an additional 4% to our 401K if we put in 2% more. It used to be they matched 2-1 on 3% and now match 2-1 on 5%. They also added another holiday. Many companies have pushed some of the tax savings to the employees.

As to the topic, illegal means illegal to me. Build the damn wall and be done with it. $5b is nothing to government.
 
When the corporate tax breaks came, my company put in an additional 4% to our 401K if we put in 2% more. It used to be they matched 2-1 on 3% and now match 2-1 on 5%. They also added another holiday. Many companies have pushed some of the tax savings to the employees.

As to the topic, illegal means illegal to me. Build the damn wall and be done with it. $5b is nothing to government.
My wife’s company needed to expand for the last few years but were hesitant. When the tax cuts were passed. They split 96k among 15 employees and put it their 401k and did a 1.1 million dollar expansion on the facility. They have also added 4 full time employees. Not to mention a $750 Christmas bonus and a turkey! ALL BECAUSE OF THE TAX CUTS. He made a point of crediting the tax cuts when he told everyone at the Holiday party. There were a couple anti Trumpers in the crowd so he wanted them to know where the money was coming from. I am sure there are hundreds or even thousands of company’s spending the tax cuts on their employees. With wages starting to go up and record low unemployment employers will be forced to spend more on their employees to keep them or get new ones. Funny, that is exactly how I remember the con man saying it would happen. We should really get rid of him.
 
"We should really get rid of him."

Oh they're trying. A muslim got sworn in on the quran and used the dirty language in vowing to impeach because that's what she ran on. Can't make this stuff up.

Glad to hear you guys are confirming great business! Don't earn too much though, or else AOC's 70% tax will sting! New tax laws should help me out a little this year, too. Hoping to have enough left to get a budget coyote gun. Stilling mulling between .223 or 22-250. Yardages here mostly under 300. Been using 30-06 or buckshot all these years. Time to splurge.
 
"We should really get rid of him."

Oh they're trying. A muslim got sworn in on the quran and used the dirty language in vowing to impeach because that's what she ran on. Can't make this stuff up.

Glad to hear you guys are confirming great business! Don't earn too much though, or else AOC's 70% tax will sting! New tax laws should help me out a little this year, too. Hoping to have enough left to get a budget coyote gun. Stilling mulling between .223 or 22-250. Yardages here mostly under 300. Been using 30-06 or buckshot all these years. Time to splurge.
Get a 5.56 before you get a .223.
You can shoot .223 rounds out of a 5.56 but not 5.56 out of
.223
This ammo is sometimes harder to find. May as well get a gun that performs the same, but has more options for ammo.

Now back to the program.........

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