The Throw n’ Mow Method

[matinc]

SD I will call Monday to albert les to see if they can make that mixture. Also can you post a picture of your crimper

 

[SD51555]

SD I will call Monday to albert les to see if they can make that mixture. Also can you post a picture of your crimper

This isn't mine, but this is what I have. I've got a loop hitch, so I have to hook up with a clevis.

 

[matinc]

SD so that's a 4 footer and it's Morea cultipacker that you can crimp with. I bought this 4 footer for $500.

 

[SD51555]

SD so that's a 4 footer and it's Morea cultipacker that you can crimp with. I bought this 4 footer for $500.

I wouldn't even consider mine a crimper. That was my original intent by hitting my plots north-south and then again east-west. I thought a perpendicular pass would accomplish the same as a crimper, but it didn't, and it was a blessing in disguise. @S.T.Fanatic had made mention that a crimper can take out chicory, and I didn't want that to happen. Thankfully mine failed, and that failure ended up being an accidental success. Next year, I'm just gonna roll it down one way and be done. Most all of that is dead already anyway, so it lays down pretty easily.

 

[matinc]

SD how much does that weigh and can you do it in one pass. Your OM in your fields is off the charts. My hats off to you

 

[SD51555]

SD how much does that weigh and can you do it in one pass. Your OM in your fields is off the charts. My hats off to you

I'm not sure what it weighs, but it is plenty heavy. There is no need for additional weight. That is old ag equipment, and them guys put serious iron into those implements.

I haven't tested the soil in that plot with all the flowers. It's been under that kind of management for two full seasons now. I should maybe test it in the summer of 2026 and see what it says for OM. There's more than plenty of residue on the surface, so much so that I'm not putting in a high carbon spring seeding. It'll just be clovers and broadleaves, and then I'll get the trit in again when I roll it in August. I'm hoping to see my compaction start to let up one of these years. That is an old log landing, and I've got some problems in spots. The chicory has done well in those areas, but I don't know if a chicory root ever dies, or if it just keeps coming back from the same tap root every year.

I should have lots of big roots going deep where they can. That's the beauty of 5-7' tall covers that go to full maturity. They put on lots of roots, and shoot lots of liquid carbon into the subsoil.

 

[matinc]

SD here is my question Would a 50 pound bag of ysc Alfalfa medium red chicory and balsana be enough seed if each were at 10 pounds for 3.5 acres. Of course I would throw 5 bushel of rye per acre on as well

 

[matinc]

SD would should I also put additional clover down as frost seed this spring?

 

[SD51555]

SD here is my question Would a 50 pound bag of ysc Alfalfa medium red chicory and balsana be enough seed if each were at 10 pounds for 3.5 acres. Of course I would throw 5 bushel of rye per acre on as well

10 lbs per acre would be a full rate of that blend alone. I'd cut it back to 6, and throw on 1 bushel of rye per acre. All of those plants will fill the gap and do much better with breathing room. A few years back I let one rye plant live in my raised bed garden to see how it'd do. It put on 22 tillers (stalks). High rates cure themselves by not sending as many tillers up.

 

[matinc]

SD would you frost seed that blend or wait till fall. If frost seeding when would you spread it. Ty

 

[SD51555]

SD would you frost seed that blend or wait till fall. If frost seeding when would you spread it. Ty

Fall. I’d want all that going in at the same time.


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[Foggy47]

This isn't mine, but this is what I have. I've got a loop hitch, so I have to hook up with a clevis.

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Nice little cultipacker. Kinda got my doubts about the effectiveness of that "crimping" most crops. I took pics on one of my threads on flail mowing, cultipacking (with a similar packer) and my roller crimper. The least effective terminating rye was the cultipacker....by a pretty big margin. Do you not see your long stemmed plants stand back up? Maybe if you run it over a few times??

 

[matinc]

Foggy this is the same plot that was crimped on the left and mowed 30 days later

 

[SD51555]

Nice little cultipacker. Kinda got my doubts about the effectiveness of that "crimping" most crops. I took pics on one of my threads on flail mowing, cultipacking (with a similar packer) and my roller crimper. The least effective terminating rye was the cultipacker....by a pretty big margin. Do you not see your long stemmed plants stand back up? Maybe if you run it over a few times??

That's the beauty of this whole scheme I've cooked up. Nothing needs to be crimped. It's all dead at the end of it's biennial life cycle at roll time, with the exception of alfalfa and chicory, and I don't want them to die. All my packer needs to do is press dead material flat, and it did that perfectly. My little yard plot was the best representation of this.

This was after just one pass. I did a second, but I don't think it's necessary or did any good.

 

[matinc]

Sd Research on planting techniques is another thread going that could use your help.

 

[matinc]

SD since most are bi annuals are you broadcasting every year

 

[SD51555]

Nice little cultipacker. Kinda got my doubts about the effectiveness of that "crimping" most crops. I took pics on one of my threads on flail mowing, cultipacking (with a similar packer) and my roller crimper. The least effective terminating rye was the cultipacker....by a pretty big margin. Do you not see your long stemmed plants stand back up? Maybe if you run it over a few times??

Now I just have to control myself when I think about all the large seeded things I can throw in there before I roll it down. I'm pondering soybeans, peas, zucchini, sorghum, sunflower, sunn hemp, brocolini, kale, collards, turnips, bee balm, black eyed susan, purple coneflower, etc etc.

 

[Foggy47]

Now I just have to control myself when I think about all the large seeded things I can throw in there before I roll it down. I'm pondering soybeans, peas, zucchini, sorghum, sunflower, sunn hemp, brocolini, kale, collards, turnips, bee balm, black eyed susan, purple coneflower, etc etc.

So your not actually terminating anything by crimping....rather you are flattening a dead crop. OK.....but it's a stretch to call what you are doing as "crimping'. Not sure you used that term....but it's been interchangeably used here....and rolling and crimping are two different things. I suppose "flattening" can also be a term. lol. Just think that some folks may be mis-lead here. In any event...its your show. Carry on. Grin.

 

[matinc]

SD I talked with albert lea today. They said they will take the idea to their directors to see if they will make us that mix. If I hear anything I will let you know

 

[davidhelmly]

SD I talked with albert lea today. They said they will take the idea to their directors to see if they will make us that mix. If I hear anything I will let you know

Call Welter Seed, you can order whatever poundage of each seed you want, they will mix it and ship it to you. They are great people to work with, I have used them many times over the years.