Conspiracy theorys, where do you stand?

[OakSeeds]

Biden and Carter share a common phenomenon ... having a Presidency strongly impacted by an unanticipated event (by virtually everyone) that largely doomed their chances for reelection. For Carter, it was 2 major events, the first was the 1973 oil embargo, a political decision by OPEC rather than an economic decision (they were honked because we supported Israel in a military conflict largely between Israel and Egypt / Syria). Had they had any idea how controlling the supply of oil could/would turn the worldwide oil market on it's head, the 25-35 cents a gallon for gas in the 60s would not have happened. Worldwide oil prices shot up quickly and inflation increased during the Nixon-Ford years ( 3.3% in 72, 6.2 in 73, 12.3% in 1974, 6.9% -1975). Inflation was down during the first year of Carter's presidency 4.9% in 76, but then climbed/reached to 6.7% in 77, 9% in 1978 and ballooned to 13.3% in 1979. In Reagan's first year 1980, inflation was 12+% however, by 1983, Reagan's last year, the 4 years of inflation included 13+%, 10.3%, 6.10% and 3.2% reflecting a steady decline The second event was the Iranian hostage crisis carried out by essentially young Iranians who were pizzed because they believed the U.S. was attempting to undermine the Iranian Revolution. When the hostage rescue attempt failed, the Carter administration was doomed. Also, monetary policy favoring large deficits helped fueled inflation during his administration.. A new economic term was coined .... stagflation! The hostages were released when the new President was sworn in on 1-20-1980.
Biden's unanticipated event occurred during the last year (2020) of the first Trump presidency .. a worldwide pandemic (Covid) which did lots of things (too numerous to mention here) including disrupting the supply chain and promoting large government expenditures (Covid relief). Inflation was soon to follow (Trump in 2020 =1.23%, Biden in 2021-2024 = 4.70, 8.0, 4.12, 2.5 ; while not overly large, its resistance to easing, plus high grocery prices and Biden's "senior" mannerisms (remember the debate debacle) made his chances for reelection slim at best, perhaps closer to nonexistent. Given Carter's early successes at deregulation in the airline, trucking and communications industries to name a few, and his continuing public service (at home and abroad) after his presidency, I suspect historians will be somewhat kind to him ... recognizing/arguing that factors beyond his control had much to do with his one term in office.

 

[bwoods11]

I honestly think Biden is a corrupt scumbag. I have zero doubt he’s doing illegal things with foreign actors to the benefit of he and his family. To me that is treason. And treason should be punished to the highest standard. I don’t feel Carter did that so for that reason I feel Biden is way worse.

Having lived through both, Biden was worse than Carter. Jimmy was a good person, but not a good President!

Both Biden & Carter had high inflation, as far as the economy, not all too bad for the upper middle class to upper class….but the last 4 years have been very tough on the lower class and the lower middle class.

I saw a statistic today that said mortgage demand at the end of 2024 was the lowest since 1995.

 

[Telemark]

Biden and Carter share a common phenomenon ... having a Presidency strongly impacted by an unanticipated event (by virtually everyone) that largely doomed their chances for reelection. For Carter, it was 2 major events, the first was the 1973 oil embargo, a political decision by OPEC rather than an economic decision (they were honked because we supported Israel in a military conflict largely between Israel and Egypt / Syria). Had they had any idea how controlling the supply of oil could/would turn the worldwide oil market on it's head, the 25-35 cents a gallon for gas in the 60s would not have happened. Worldwide oil prices shot up quickly and inflation increased during the Nixon-Ford years ( 3.3% in 72, 6.2 in 73, 12.3% in 1974, 6.9% -1975). Inflation was down during the first year of Carter's presidency 4.9% in 76, but then climbed/reached to 6.7% in 77, 9% in 1978 and ballooned to 13.3% in 1979. In Reagan's first year 1980, inflation was 12+% however, by 1983, Reagan's last year, the 4 years of inflation included 13+%, 10.3%, 6.10% and 3.2% reflecting a steady decline The second event was the Iranian hostage crisis carried out by essentially young Iranians who were pizzed because they believed the U.S. was attempting to undermine the Iranian Revolution. When the hostage rescue attempt failed, the Carter administration was doomed. Also, monetary policy favoring large deficits helped fueled inflation during his administration.. A new economic term was coined .... stagflation! The hostages were released when the new President was sworn in on 1-20-1980.
Biden's unanticipated event occurred during the last year (2020) of the first Trump presidency .. a worldwide pandemic (Covid) which did lots of things (too numerous to mention here) including disrupting the supply chain and promoting large government expenditures (Covid relief). Inflation was soon to follow (Trump in 2020 =1.23%, Biden in 2021-2024 = 4.70, 8.0, 4.12, 2.5 ; while not overly large, its resistance to easing, plus high grocery prices and Biden's "senior" mannerisms (remember the debate debacle) made his chances for reelection slim at best, perhaps closer to nonexistent. Given Carter's early successes at deregulation in the airline, trucking and communications industries to name a few, and his continuing public service (at home and abroad) after his presidency, I suspect historians will be somewhat kind to him ... recognizing/arguing that factors beyond his control had much to do with his one term in office.

I never once mentioned economic factors when deriding Biden and his administration. The corruption, wokeism, government overreach, and open border are the main things that make him the worst president ever. Through either neglect or malice, they have done an incredible amount of damage to our country. I blame China for COVID.

 

[TreeDaddy]

Every presidency is strongly impacted by unanticipated events

The response by the sitting president is how their legacy is defined

I am confident that Mr Trump will clean up the disaster that is the Biden legacy as Mr Reagan rescued the country from the equally disastrous Carter presidency

bill

 

[Bill Loser]

I never once mentioned economic factors when deriding Biden and his administration. The corruption, wokeism, government overreach, and open border are the main things that make him the worst president ever. Through either neglect or malice, they have done an incredible amount of damage to our country. I blame China for COVID.

You can't just blame China for covid. There was plenty US involvement there also,

 

[bwoods11]

It’s who the President hires as well . Merrick Garland for example, in his final speech said he & his office were not political, but spent the entire 4 years trying to jail Trump !

Then said prosecuting Jan 6 “criminals” in the Liberal gulag was an important part of his 4 years… but then let millions come in illegally across the border ?

Just insanity & lies ! It’s really upsetting to read !

 

[Telemark]

You can't just blame China for covid. There was plenty US involvement there also,

No, the US and China do not collaborate on biological weapons.

 

[OakSeeds]

I wasn't defending Biden or Carter; simply noting that events (especially those of great magnitude like OPEC/Covid) in the world can negatively impact the perception of a president's effectiveness if that person cannot provide timely and effective solutions (President Reagan is a great positive example) for whatever reasons including those mentioned above by others).

 

[Westwind]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions

I agree. 100%.

 

[Westwind]

I used to walk over a mile home. Sometimes with a full bag of football equipment, a French horn and books. The only people that ever offered a ride were weird old people. No thanks. LOL. Everybody else just laid on the horn. In the winter my dad would pick me up but, only if I called so I walked down to the corner store because the guy would let me use the phone. The pay phone at school was a dime I didn’t have. Can you imagine that nowadays. LOL.

Totally different times! I can’t remember if ours was a pay phone but I can remember calling home after getting off the basketball bus because no one else was headed out our way in the country that had a car.

 

[Westwind]

When it comes to foreign policy I was willing to give Biden the benefit of the doubt at times. I felt like there may have been behind the scenes reasons for their painfully ploddingly slow decision making and felt like they were terrible at explaining the “why’s” of foreign policy (which is what I’m interested in).

The last few weeks have been disgusting though. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

I will remember Carter for what he was. A Naval Academy grad who was enough of a badass to get in a nuclear submarine. Enough of a badass that they sent him to Canada to solve some dangerous reactor problem that no one else could fix. He was respectful and respectable. He was a good man who tried to do good things and I gotta give him credit for that. Trying to do some good is all any of us can do.

 

[jsasker007]

No, the US and China do not collaborate on biological weapons.

The US was definitely very involved with funding and creating covid. FAUCI. Why was our media lying to our citizens about the origin of covid? Why did China quarantine their own people and still let the rest of the world come to China and "visit" when they had this extremely dangerous contamination that they intentionally let get out to the rest of the world and our media was right there working hand in hand lying to the public? FAUCI. jmo

 

[Westwind]

The Chinese bungling a crisis. No one saw that coming.

Curious- in this scenario, was the release intentional or a screw up?

And if it’s intentional, who does that serve? Because it hurt Chinas economy more than ours, in fact if Xi Jinping loses power it will be for economic reasons…

 

[chucker66]

The Chinese bungling a crisis. No one saw that coming.

Curious- in this scenario, was the release intentional or a screw up?

And if it’s intentional, who does that serve? Because it hurt Chinas economy more than ours, in fact if Xi Jinping loses power it will be for economic reasons…

Remains to be seen who it might have helped? Maybe those that insist on the overpopulation of the Earth and had a test run at elimination millions of people? Hey its a conspiracy theory thread right?

 

[Westwind]

Hey its a conspiracy theory thread right?

It is indeed!

 

[Skeeter]

I used to walk over a mile home. Sometimes with a full bag of football equipment, a French horn and books. The only people that ever offered a ride were weird old people. No thanks. LOL. Everybody else just laid on the horn. In the winter my dad would pick me up but, only if I called so I walked down to the corner store because the guy would let me use the phone. The pay phone at school was a dime I didn’t have. Can you imagine that nowadays. LOL.

Should have used the old trick of calling collect and instead of saying your name quickly say dadcomegetme.

 

[Telemark]

Curious- in this scenario, was the release intentional or a screw up?

It was an accident. China arguably suffered worse than any other country because of the outbreak.

Chinese are horrible with laboratory hygiene, and hygiene in general. I could tell you stories about them contaminating labs and individuals with radioactive material and getting their license pulled. Most of the radioactive waste we had was from Chinese people.

You should have a look at how many of their hogs died to swine flu. I think it was like 60% of their entire herd. It's just bananas over there. It feels like a different world.

 

[Telemark]

Has anyone checked out the Ukrainian biological weapons conspiracy? I hate to say it, but it seems like their might be something to it.

Parliamentary question | <p>Has the EU ever financed biological labs and/or other forms of biological scientific research in Ukraine</p> | E-000949/2022 | European Parliament

Question for written answer E-000949/2022 to the Commission Rule 138 Joachim Kuhs (ID), Marcel de Graaff (ID)

www.europarl.europa.eu

Technical Difficulties

Senator Rubio Questions Undersecretary Nuland Over Biolabs in Ukraine

During her testimony in front of the Senate Foreign Relations committee about the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland answers a question from Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) about whether or not Ukraine has chemical or biological weapons. She...

www.c-span.org

 

[Westwind]

I think you gotta look at Ukrainian military and to some extent the government as a descendent of the USSR. They are transitioning from Russian model (Top down, no one moves without asking Moscow) to a western model (small units command empowered to make some decisions on the fly.)

Okay so how does this matter considering the C-Span vid above? Well, the Russians are certainly more willing to allow use of chemical/biological weapons. They have demonstrated more than once that they are more than happy to attack/assassinate dissidents and defectors using Novachuk. Which *might?* mean the labs existed in the former Eastern Bloc country of Ukraine? Might mean the abhorrence that they even exist may not yet be built in in Ukrainian military culture?

I'm spitballing here and possibly REALLY wrong.

 

[Buckly]

It’s who the President hires as well . Merrick Garland for example, in his final speech said he & his office were not political, but spent the entire 4 years trying to jail Trump !

Then said prosecuting Jan 6 “criminals” in the Liberal gulag was an important part of his 4 years… but then let millions come in illegally across the border ?

Just insanity & lies ! It’s really upsetting to read !

It’s simple with Garland. He’s so butt hurt over the Supreme Court nomination toss that he’s only got one thing on his mind. Make the World that did that to him miserable