Cleth Spring Spraying Questions

[omicron1792]

So are most of you guys mixing liquid AMS with cleth? I have always mix crop oil only with cleth.

Two totally different things my man.

AMS does two things. It softens water that has lots of hard molecules in it to keep your herbicide more effective. It also gives shot of nitrogen to make weed grow quickly and absorb herbicide better.

Crop oil is a sticking agent that makes herbicide stick to plant better. Can also use NIS. Ideally you use both ams and nis OR crop oil.

Some AMS already contains NIS (AMS complete) and can be only addiditive you add.

 

[Derek Reese 29]

So are most of you guys mixing liquid AMS with cleth? I have always mix crop oil only with cleth.

I mixed the ams and cleth in the tank and there was not any issue..I may have forgotten the crop oil but it still did the job.

 

[birdog]

Two totally different things my man.

AMS does two things. It softens water that has lots of hard molecules in it to keep your herbicide more effective. It also gives shot of nitrogen to make weed grow quickly and absorb herbicide better.

Crop oil is a sticking agent that makes herbicide stick to plant better. Can also use NIS. Ideally you use both ams and nis OR crop oil.

Some AMS already contains NIS (AMS complete) and can be only addiditive you add.

Yep, I realize that. I have never used AMS with cleth so that's why I asked. I always use AMS with gly.

 

[birdog]

I mixed the ams and cleth in the tank and there was not any issue..I may have forgotten the crop oil but it still did the job.View attachment 53422

Thank you. So do you usually use AMS and crop oil together with your cleth? Looks like you got a good kill.

 

[omicron1792]

Yep, I realize that. I have never used AMS with cleth so that's why I asked. I always use AMS with gly.

Man. It sounds like you got it all worked out then.

 

[omicron1792]

Thank you. So do you usually use AMS and crop oil together with your cleth? Looks like you got a good kill.

If you read this thread you’d probably realize he started it asking about spraying this mix

 

[omicron1792]

Clethodim is a weak acid herbicide. Weak acid herbicides all benefit from adding ams.

 

[birdog]

Clethodim is a weak acid herbicide. Weak acid herbicides all benefit from adding ams.

If you read this thread you’d probably realize he started it asking about spraying this mix

geez man relax. I asked a question because I don't have it figured out.

 

[birdog]

Clethodim is a weak acid herbicide. Weak acid herbicides all benefit from adding ams.

This is very helpful and exactly what I was looking for. Thank you.

 

[Derek Reese 29]

I had never even heard of AMS before this thread and it seemed to have helped I also kept my lines of spraying close together for some spray overlap and upped the amount of cleth from 1 oz/gal to about 1.5-1.75 oz/gal. All in all very happy with how it turned out. For 30 some odd bucks (I got the cleth on sale last winter) to have a good field of clover and not have to start over is well worth it to me.

 

[birdog]

Until now I was unaware of the need for AMS with cleth. I only used AMS with gly because I have well water at my farm. AMS and gly absolutely helped my gly kill rate. I will from now on use a mix of AMS, crop oil and cleth. I currently use a mix of 12-16oz acre of cleth and 24-32oz of crop oil acre. How much AMS per acre? I am no expert on any of this stuff and appreciate everyone helping those of us who are trying to learn. Sorry I didn't mean to thread jack but this is a cool revelation about AMS and cleth that I was unaware of. Happy fathers day everyone!

 

[bigboreblr]

Anybody use clethodim in clover / rye plots? I know cleth kills rye, but I have fescue growing on the edges of my backyard plot. When it comes time to terminate the rye, will the cleth prevent the rye seeds on the stalks from germinating?

Love the semll of cleth, reminds me of my family's vineyard over in hungary.

 

[Foggy47]

Until now I was unaware of the need for AMS with cleth. I only used AMS with gly because I have well water at my farm. AMS and gly absolutely helped my gly kill rate. I will from now on use a mix of AMS, crop oil and cleth. I currently use a mix of 12-16oz acre of cleth and 24-32oz of crop oil acre. How much AMS per acre? I am no expert on any of this stuff and appreciate everyone helping those of us who are trying to learn. Sorry I didn't mean to thread jack but this is a cool revelation about AMS and cleth that I was unaware of. Happy fathers day everyone!

Reviving an old thread (cause I gotta buy some liquid AMS and cannot find it nearby).

Nobody ever answered your question above.....and I dont think I am the guy to do it either as different brands may require different amounts. I've just read about Synergy as a brand of AMS on a farm forum.....and a guy said he was using 1 quart for 100 gallons. I tried some granular AMS at one time.....and swore that off forever as I could not get the granular stuff to dissolve properly. Not sure if Tractor Supply carries a Liquid AMS as I cannot find it on their website? I do not have many other sources available. Anybody?? I'm going to spray one way or the other this afternoon.

I think I am going to spray Clethodim on my grasses today despite our drought. I have Some Nitro-Surf which is a non Ionic Surfacent....and I had thought the "Nitro" was a replacement for the need to put AMS in my tank. From reading the above.....evidently this is not so.

 

[Wild Thing]

I think I found some liquid AMS around here about 15-20 years ago....but I haven't seen it since.

I use Sprayable AMS and dissolve it in hot water. It readily dissolves in hot water. I put it in a 1 gallon pail and stir it while adding the hot water and it dissolves quickly.



17# of Sprayable AMS per 100 gallons of water. For many of us that means 1.7#/10 gallons of water as we seldom mix up 100 gallons of spray solution. 1 Solo cup full is about a pound. Add the AMS to the water first as you are filling the sprayer and then add the herbicide only AFTER the AMS has been added. I used to only use it with Gly as well but nowadays I find myself using it for all herbicides I use.

 

[Wind Gypsy]

Reviving an old thread (cause I gotta buy some liquid AMS and cannot find it nearby).

Nobody ever answered your question above.....and I dont think I am the guy to do it either as different brands may require different amounts. I've just read about Synergy as a brand of AMS on a farm forum.....and a guy said he was using 1 quart for 100 gallons. I tried some granular AMS at one time.....and swore that off forever as I could not get the granular stuff to dissolve properly. Not sure if Tractor Supply carries a Liquid AMS as I cannot find it on their website? I do not have many other sources available. Anybody?? I'm going to spray one way or the other this afternoon.

I think I am going to spray Clethodim on my grasses today despite our drought. I have Some Nitro-Surf which is a non Ionic Surfacent....and I had thought the "Nitro" was a replacement for the need to put AMS in my tank. From reading the above.....evidently this is not so.

The only place ive bought AMS is the Runnings fleet and farm store near me. They've been out since I bought the last jug months ago so I'd be interested in the best place to buy a bunch online as well!

Edit: this is the stuff i have and with free shipping it doesn't seem like a bad buy. https://www.domyown.com/drexel-ams-supreme-p-10342.html

 

[omicron1792]

The only place ive bought AMS is the Runnings fleet and farm store near me. They've been out since I bought the last jug months ago so I'd be interested in the best place to buy a bunch online as well!

Edit: this is the stuff i have and with free shipping it doesn't seem like a bad buy. https://www.domyown.com/drexel-ams-supreme-p-10342.html

AMS liquid. 3 quarts/acre or 4oz/gallon

Clethodim/glyphosate/2-4 db/

triclopyr 3/simazine/atrazine/MSM escort/imox

Add to water before herbicides

All I use is AMS supreme. Use with any weak acid herbicide. These above are weak acid. Can google any others you have questions about.

 

[Wild Thing]

The only place ive bought AMS is the Runnings fleet and farm store near me. They've been out since I bought the last jug months ago so I'd be interested in the best place to buy a bunch online as well!

Edit: this is the stuff i have and with free shipping it doesn't seem like a bad buy. https://www.domyown.com/drexel-ams-supreme-p-10342.html

AMS liquid. 3 quarts/acre or 4oz/gallon

Clethodim/glyphosate/2-4 db/

triclopyr 3/simazine/atrazine/MSM escort/imox

Add to water before herbicides

All I use is AMS supreme. Use with any weak acid herbicide. These above are weak acid. Can google any others you have questions about.

OK - I had to do the math to figure out the cost of using AMS Supreme at $54.71 per 2.5 gal.
If it takes 4 oz to treat a gallon of water you can treat 80 gallons of water with it. (2.5 gallons at 128 oz/gal = 320 oz total / divided by 4 oz per gallon = 80 gallons of water treated).
3 quarts per acre? 10 quarts / divided by 3 = 3.3 acres per 2.5 gallons.

I can treat 300 gallons of water with one 51# bag of sprayable AMS...for $22 (51# / divided by 17# per 100 gallons = 300 gallons of water treated). My sprayer is calibrated to apply 20 gallons per acre so I can spray 15 acres with one bag of sprayable AMS (300 / 20 = 15).

I think I will stick with the sprayable AMS

Doing math is fun! This is why I just loved "The Count" on Sesame Street. "Counting....1....2....3...Ha Ha Ha..."

 

[Wind Gypsy]

So $16.58/acre vs $1.47/acre is quite the difference. I don't have hot water to mix it with though.. What mixing issues did you have @Foggy47?

I'm hoping to be on the 5 or less acres sprayed/year plan as well so a couple jugs of AMS supreme might be worth the lack of headache?

 

[Foggy47]

So $16.58/acre vs $1.47/acre is quite the difference. I don't have hot water to mix it with though.. What mixing issues did you have @Foggy47?

I'm hoping to be on the 5 or less acres sprayed/year plan as well so a couple jugs of AMS supreme might be worth the lack of headache?

On the recommendation of the old manager at our local feed / fertilizer store in Pine River MN (I think he is now deceased).......I bought a bag of AMS granular. He told me to mix a few cups with water before putting in the tank. Well, that stuff never did disolve right and after a time I tried it in a tank. Proceeded to gum everything up. I got the whole system rinsed out and never bought any more. I think I still got the remains of that bag in my shop somewhere.

I have looked for liquid AMS in several places - Fleet Farm, Feed and Fertilizer Stores, Mimbach's Fleet, Tractor Supply Co, Keystone.......and never found either liquid or a sprayable AMS granule anywhere I have looked and asked too. Today the gal at TSC tried to sell me some liquid nitrogen fertilizer (Gordons) as a substitute for AMS. I passed.

I also looked at my clover and brassica plots today before again deciding to NOT spray them with clethodim. Any plots that are in direct sunlight are going dormant or wilting badly and unless we get rains very soon they are toast. I dont think they can take more stress from chemicals right now. The grasses and chickweeds are spreading.....but we could get some rain on Sunday night......and if we do......I may spray after that event. Damn drought.

 

[Foggy47]

OH.....and I got a problem with no hot water at my Deertopia Proving Grounds too. Tho....I suppose I could keep the granular AMS at my home and pre mix some prior to going to my land to spray. Worth a thought. Likely will buy some crop oil (also hard to get locally) and the AMS in one variety or another today - on line.