USA to "take over" the Gaza Strip

[Spike_Horn_Shooter]

Also - cool discussion with a really different smattering of view points!

Right in the sweet spot between Alex J and the more popular Reddit forums.

 

[SD51555]

Sorry...but calling the Ukranians Nazis is as bad as liberals calling Trump a fascist and everybody who voted for him Nazis.

And we brought the Nazis here after WWII? Werner von Braun and scientists like him? For sure, to beat the Russians into space. Mostly, we hung them by the neck in Nuremberg...Rosenberg, Keitel, Jodl, etc. Not sure what you're suggesting?

I didn't mean the ukranians are nazis. I mean the nazis >>in ukraine<< work for us, that ragtag bunch in the Azov Battalion. Remember, half of Ukraine is russian. The nazis in the west, they worship Stepan Bandera to this day, an OUN (organization of ukranian nationalists) leader credited with killing 200,000 during WW2 under his watch alone. The CIA eventually acquired and protected Bandera as well. Azov Battalion wasn't the only nazi spinoff in Ukraine. There was also the People's Movement, Svoboda, Trident, and Right Sector.

See for yourself. We had to do paperwork to take them off the terror watch list (like every other group I've mentioned above) to be able to give them weapons and money. Here's the receipt.

U.S. lifts weapons and training ban on Ukraine's Azov Brigade

The State Department reversed decade-old restrictions on the unit of Ukrainian forces known as the Azov Brigade.

www.cbsnews.com

Why would anyone have gotten the idea that these guys still cling to the principles of their nazi founders with a flag like this?

 

[SD51555]

Not worried about Muslims fulfilling their prophecy and taking over the world?

Not in the least bit. Terrorists have nothing to gain by attacking. You think after 9/11 or any run-in with israel anyone wants to try to land a punch, thinking it'll do any good? But, stage an attack, blame it on a given people, and you've got a blank check to do whatever you want to those people. They're called false flag attacks, and have been used for centuries to drag people into conflicts they'd otherwise not choose to fight.

Read up on Operation Northwoods.

 

[H20fwler]

Before the Russian encroachment on Ukraine, it was known as one of the most corrupt countries in Europe. And yes they were very big into the Nazi participation during WW2 and put a lot of soldiers into the SS...they are still a very antisemite country.

My personal opinion, the billions the USA has sent them is nothing but a huge Ponzi scheme with kickbacks going to about every politician in DC and many big military related businesses...it's NOT our war and I think it is stupid for us to be so deep into it as we are. They aren't even in NATO, and they were part of Russia for years.

 

[Natty Bumppo]

I didn't mean the ukranians are nazis. I mean the nazis >>in ukraine<< work for us, that ragtag bunch in the Azov Battalion. Remember, half of Ukraine is russian. The nazis in the west, they worship Stepan Bandera to this day, an OUN (organization of ukranian nationalists) leader credited with killing 200,000 during WW2 under his watch alone. The CIA eventually acquired and protected Bandera as well. Azov Battalion wasn't the only nazi spinoff in Ukraine. There was also the People's Movement, Svoboda, Trident, and Right Sector.


Why would anyone have gotten the idea that these guys still cling to the principles of their nazi founders with a flag like this?

Got it. I see what you are saying. Thanks for the clarification. That patch is very interesting. Clearly neo-Nazi symbology.

 

[SD51555]

Got it. I see what you are saying. Thanks for the clarification. That patch is very interesting. Clearly neo-Nazi symbology.

Thanks for asking for clarification. I get jumpy on this stuff at times because I see it for what it is. Sometimes I can put too much pepper on the point I'm trying to get across.

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

I thought the jews (Israelis) were the bad guys so what if azov is made up nazis?
The Ukrainians have a battalion that where if you squint real hard and study nazi relics you can kinda maybe draw the parallels. And maybe they are, they deny it publicly…but we know what that’s worth.
But..,Hamas and hezbollah and ever other Muslim group that has ever graced civilization with their amazing contributions, has an open, proud, loud, unapologetic charter to wipe Jews off the face of the earth, yet they are the good guys and that one fringe Ukrainian group is grounds for Russian to de-nazify a sovereign nation. But Israel should just go to hell if they want to defend themselves.

 

[Natty Bumppo]

Thanks for asking for clarification. I get jumpy on this stuff at times because I see it for what it is. Sometimes I can put too much pepper on the point I'm trying to get across.

Yeah, that's how we all get better. I learned something today that I did not know. And isn't that what it's all about. I had heard things about some Ukranian battalions having Nazi symbology, but never really researched it. Hell, the US Marines (and probably all branches) have had issues with servicemembers with ties to neo-Nazi groups and guys with SS tattoos.

The whole of Europe had an underlying latent antisemitism in the early 20th century. Dozens of countries, even those allied with the western powers, had men who volunteered and served with the SS. I guess it comes down to the question of "who do you despise more?" For me, it's Russia and Putin. And that's probably because I can't stand a thug or a bully. They have been a pain in the ass...the world's thugs...since the end of WWII. It doesn't help that I was brainwashed into hating them and all things communism in the 80's while in the military. LOL. That singular focus probably prevents me from seeing things clearly at times.

 

[T-Max]

Did any other Vets find the comments about the US taking over Gaza a little salty?

Surely that ain’t happening without some Marines on the ground.

I mean if you’re going to have a bunch of Marines coming home dead and maimed by IEDs (drones in 2025), to enrich the Industrial War Machine, at least give me some lie about WMDs, I can tell the girl at the local pub.

Yeah. While it sounds like a good idea to some, it sounds to me like sending a bunch of our finest young men and women to come back as amputees. Not a fan. Leave it. Not our problem.


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[SD51555]

I thought the jews (Israelis) were the bad guys so what if azov is made up nazis?
The Ukrainians have a battalion that where if you squint real hard and study nazi relics you can kinda maybe draw the parallels. And maybe they are, they deny it publicly…but we know what that’s worth.
But..,Hamas and hezbollah and ever other Muslim group that has ever graced civilization with their amazing contributions, has an open, proud, loud, unapologetic charter to wipe Jews off the face of the earth, yet they are the good guys and that one fringe Ukrainian group is grounds for Russian to de-nazify a sovereign nation. But Israel should just go to hell if they want to defend themselves.

There’s three things majorly wrong with those guys specifically.

One, we’re giving weapons to fringe psychos that happen to hate the same thing as us at the moment. Trouble is, like all terror groups we finance, we don’t get to take those weapons, dollars, and skills back. Ambassador Stevens learned that the hard way.

Two, once these guys have weapons and training from us, we will end up having those guys use our weapons to shoot at our own troops down the road. That is the rule, and I’m aware of no exception to it.

Three, these SOB’s were the guys on the ground running the genocide in the Donbas region, and became one of many reasons Putin invaded. The nazis were slaughtering ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine. The others were the pentagon, NIH, and Chinese military developing race targeting biological weapons in Ukraine, as well as the advancement of nato to the east after 1991 in violation of the Start treaty.


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[Natty Bumppo]

Did any other Vets find the comments about the US taking over Gaza a little salty?

Surely that ain’t happening without some Marines on the ground.

I mean if you’re going to have a bunch of Marines coming home dead and maimed by IEDs (drones in 2025), to enrich the Industrial War Machine, at least give me some lie about WMDs, I can tell the girl at the local pub.

100% salty idea. American infidels in the heart that sacred land. How can anybody think that's a good idea.

 

[Telemark]

Tele - you read Peter Zs new book?

No, I haven't read sny of his stuff, but I mostly agree with his take on post ww2 geopolitics in terms of forces that have shaped and are shaping our world.

 

[birdog]

There’s three things majorly wrong with those guys specifically.

One, we’re giving weapons to fringe psychos that happen to hate the same thing as us at the moment. Trouble is, like all terror groups we finance, we don’t get to take those weapons, dollars, and skills back. Ambassador Stevens learned that the hard way.

Two, once these guys have weapons and training from us, we will end up having those guys use our weapons to shoot at our own troops down the road. That is the rule, and I’m aware of no exception to it.

Three, these SOB’s were the guys on the ground running the genocide in the Donbas region, and became one of many reasons Putin invaded. The nazis were slaughtering ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine. The others were the pentagon, NIH, and Chinese military developing race targeting biological weapons in Ukraine, as well as the advancement of nato to the east after 1991 in violation of the Start treaty.


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You forgot to mention Sean Smith, Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty. Three very brave Americans who we also lost along side Ambassador Stevens.

 

[Angus 1895]

I am going back to read all posts. My position is it’s a BAD idea. Have we not learned in Afghanistan?

I think them rags they put on their heads make them unpredictable.

IMO Israel should have been placed in the center of Germany. They were all there already, and no rag heads.

 

[H20fwler]

Trumps Gaza Strip shock value head fake worked again.
I don think he ever really intended for the USA to actually clean up and rebuild the Strip, I do think he wants some control in it with Israel to keep the bad actors out or at least under control.

Egypt and Saudi Arabia are falling over themselves wanting to help finance/rebuild the Strip now.
Just like Trump probably planned from the start…the art of the deal, again.

 

[Telemark]

Trumps Gaza Strip shock value head fake worked again.
I don think he ever really intended for the USA to actually clean up and rebuild the Strip, I do think he wants some control in it with Israel to keep the bad actors out or at least under control.

Egypt and Saudi Arabia are falling over themselves wanting to help finance/rebuild the Strip now.
Just like Trump probably planned from the start…the art of the deal, again.

I mostly agree. (by "mostly" I'm just not committing to everything you said, but I don't see a flaw in it)

Israel was making deals with Egypt and Saudi Arabia before the October 7th attacks. In fact, that's why it happened. Israel already had a deal with Jordan. Iran didn't want to allow Israel to make a deal with Saudi Arabia.

Iran overplayed its hand and lost everything. There will soon be an Arab-Israeli alliance against the Iranians.

 

[SD51555]

Someone help me find a path to not believe this.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1889061616882454538

 

[Brian662]

Someone help me find a path to not believe this.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1889061616882454538

I'll bite. Tucker is a Putin sympathizer and has been for years. I don't believe a thing he says about Ukraine or Russia.

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

I'll bite. Tucker is a Putin sympathizer and has been for years. I don't believe a thing he says about Ukraine or Russia.

1000%. He didn’t get that interview and wonder around Moscow cause he was just trying to be an objective journalist.

 

[Mortenson]

Guess I'm naive. I always thought Tucker was legit. Maybe he was the only one brave enough to go over there?