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Baiting, I know this has been discussed and discussed this is just my rant....LOL

Then why is everyone doing it?

Its ubiquity is the best gauge of its effectiveness.
Who knows. They see pictures of deer and think they'll get lucky. People keep using lots of things that they feel helps them, but actually doesn't. One of the studies in North Carolina showed how not baiting was more effective than hunting over bait. Several studies document that. But, people will still hunt over it to their own detriment. Deer can be conditioned to not use certain parts of their habitat at certain times. Even food plots and ag fields are one of those places that they can be conditioned to avoid. Now, if deer aren't as conditioned to avoid places, they will use them alot more during the day. That can be a bait site. Or, it could be a yard, food plot, field, etc.
 
There’s a guy on social media I’ve seen killing bucks with a spear. Bait pile at the base of his tree. Multiple kills every fall. It freaking WORKS!
There's a guy on social media I've seen killing bucks with a bow. Food plot at the base of his tree. Multiple kills every fall. It freaking WORKS! Just joking with you, but they do work. I've seen more bucks killed over food plots than bait sites.
 
There's a guy on social media I've seen killing bucks with a bow. Food plot at the base of his tree. Multiple kills every fall. It freaking WORKS! Just joking with you, but they do work. I've seen more bucks killed over food plots than bait sites.
Now do spears.
 
Many hunters falsely believe in absolutes. Brassicas attract deer on my land, so they work everywhere kind of thing. Deer management and deer hunting wouldnt be as fun if deer always did the same thing everywhere. In my experience, Ben is correct - mature bucks can be very difficult to kill, hunting over a bait pile - on my property. I have right around fifty hunts over the last four years for my same target buck - and have yet to catch a glimpse of him - but have gotten hundreds of pictures of him and he has eaten hundreds of pounds of bait. We have also not seen him in a food plot - where we kill about 75% of our mature bucks.

Dawgs is also correct, mature bucks are not that difficult over bait - on my neighbor’s 1100 acres. My buddy has killed three 140+ inch bucks, in three years - over bait- with a compound bow, hunting less than five days each year.

I usually have around five mature bucks - regularly on my place - each year. I have fourteen adjacent landowners - all who allow hunting on their land - with baiting used on all but one of those lands. They all kill multiple deer each year if they choose to - many of those deer over bait. Most of them do not kill a mature deer.

Oddly enough, the first year I set out to kill a truly big deer over bait - with a crossbow nonetheless - I killed my biggest deer ever - on the first evening I hunted him. In addition, I killed a bear with my compound five days before the deer - on a bait barrel I was running on my lease. That was my week, evidently.

I knew better than to think the bear kill came easy - I had been baiting bears for six years - and that is work with no guarantees. I was inexperienced with hunting a mature buck over bait - and my quick success made me think I had it figured out. I am still waiting to kill my second mature buck over bait - six years later.

In fact, I have only killed one deer since then - by choice. I had purchased a .350 legend rifle for my grand daughters to use in our new straight wall cartridge season - early modern gun season I call it. They failed to kill a deer with it. About halfway through modern gun season, I decided I would hunt with that new rifle - and went to some nearby public land, sat on the ground in a strutter chair near a patch of overcup oaks, and killed a decent mature buck in two hours.

Hunting those oak trees was a lot easier than hunting a bait pile. At least that is how some people think about hunting - because that is how it happened once - it must be like that everywhere, every-time. But, I have spent enough time hunting deer around oak trees on public land to know better. I have probably killed 75 deer - or more - with a compound or recurve doing that - and it is far from easy.

If I had to kill a deer - any deer - I would go to a bait pile. If I had to kill a mature buck from mid oct to the end of Feb, I would go to a food plot. That is on my land - and that may be true no where else on earth - and I would not claim it to be based solely off my experience - like some might claim things based off their experience.

In my area, I would not agree that baiting increases deer density. Maybe on a specific property - but not in general. Our G&F permits baiting in an effort to help reach harvest goals - not to increase deer density. I would agree that supplemental feeding in spring and summer does increase deer density in my area.
 
Food plots can enter the baiting debate when people are commonly spreading triple cleaned corn or rice bran over acres at a time. Until that is a common practice, they shouldn’t be in the same discussion.

It’s a shame this is even a topic of interest on the HABITAT forum.
 
Food plots can enter the baiting debate when people are commonly spreading triple cleaned corn or rice bran over acres at a time. Until that is a common practice, they shouldn’t be in the same discussion.

It’s a shame this is even a topic of interest on the HABITAT forum.
Lots of people use food plots as bait. I'd say a majority of people using them, use them as bait. If someone is against unnaturally attracting deer to an area, then they should only be working on native food instead of introducing non-native foods.
 
My buddy has killed three 140+ inch bucks, in three years - over bait- with a compound bow, hunting less than five days each year.

Oddly enough, the first year I set out to kill a truly big deer over bait - with a crossbow nonetheless - I killed my biggest deer ever - on the first evening I hunted him. In addition, I killed a bear with my compound five days before the deer - on a bait barrel I was running on my lease. That was my week, evidently.
I appreciate this post; this may the best representation of the real conundrum. But you aren’t exactly toeing the party line. 😉
 
I’m gonna wade into this gently…when a non hunter asks me why I bait with my trees and and clover and turnips and WR that I plant only for wildlife..my answer is always because it is fun to see things grow and that it helps that wildlife year round…then I inform them I don’t consider it baiting as yes it is to draw wildlife into range of my chosen weapon but it is not baiting as that food is available year round and it’s not just a bag of corn or whatever slung out there at the beginning of the hunt..actual time, money, physical effort, planning research and sweat equity are all involved (yes you could say that about year round baiting at times also..) I spend 10X more time planning out plot configurations and what seed a to plant when and tree and stand locations than I do actually physically working and it is a joy for me to do so… just wish in my no bait-allowed state that the rules would be enforced…
 
Lots of people use food plots as bait. I'd say a majority of people using them, use them as bait. If someone is against unnaturally attracting deer to an area, then they should only be working on native food instead of introducing non-native foods.

I consider my food plots bait - wheat and apple trees are not native to my area. We have killed far more deer out of food plots than over bagged bait.
 
I’m gonna wade into this gently…when a non hunter asks me why I bait with my trees and and clover and turnips and WR that I plant only for wildlife..my answer is always because it is fun to see things grow and that it helps that wildlife year round…then I inform them I don’t consider it baiting as yes it is to draw wildlife into range of my chosen weapon but it is not baiting as that food is available year round and it’s not just a bag of corn or whatever slung out there at the beginning of the hunt..actual time, money, physical effort, planning research and sweat equity are all involved (yes you could say that about year round baiting at times also..) just wish in my no bait-allowed state that the rules would be enforced…
Wade comfortably and confidently. There is sufficient research to support the difference between food plots and bait piles, as it pertains to unnatural deer-deer interaction.

With that said… I’d gladly give up my sad food plots to rid this region of the scourge that is baiting.
 
I consider my food plots bait - wheat and apple trees are not native to my area. We have killed far more deer out of food plots than over bagged bait.
To me there is quite a difference..look at what someone who has no connection to the outdoors would think (not that I usually care what said people think)..but if you said yeah I dumped out some corn and shot this deer over it two hours later OR I worked this land and planned out where my fields should go and what I should put in them and when should I plant it and what trees should go where to drop their fruit at the best time..which would draw a more positive reaction?
 
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