School Shootings and Gun Control rhetoric

sandbur

5 year old buck +
Has anyone heard any discussion of gun control or where the gun came from after this last shooting?

Any idea why the rhetoric has not heated up as much?

Bloomberg is pushing his agenda in other areas of the country.

Let's not get to political and into a big fight.
 

sandbur

5 year old buck +
Shhh, There's an election in 6 days, don't want to kick the sleeping gun toting, bible huggin dog as the Potus proclaimed.
Will it hit after the election?
 

Reagan

5 year old buck +
Shhh, There's an election in 6 days, don't want to kick the sleeping gun toting, bible huggin dog as the Potus proclaimed.

There is your answer. No need to risk offending the gun owning public that is stupid enough to vote democrat.

They will stay quiet on this one and get riled up the next time it fits the left's agenda. Wait until there is a shooting that is not right before an election.
 

sandbur

5 year old buck +
Could there be a conflict between Native American or Treaty rights and the gun control agenda? Best not to touch it at this point?
 

Jordan Selsor

5 year old buck +
I think you boys hit the nail on the head. They know they need all the votes they can get, simply cant afford to ruffle any feathers.. Nov Forever how do you fit in over there on the Left Coast? You got your work cut out for you over there with all the Libs!!!!
 

SD51555

5 year old buck +
The gun issue is not for elections. It's for raising money in between elections. It's been tried enough and the folks who go after guns end up getting beat back so hard they can only hold the few most blue areas of the country.

I envision leadership from both parties having coffee in the morning and discussing what they're gonna say, as well as where they were going to golf together in the afternoon. Each side heads to the podium to thunder for their side of the issue. Everyone gets all riled up and money starts flying in all directions and ends in the deep pockets of K street. Same happens with abortion and other values issues, yet miraculously, the ball never really moves.
 

foggy

5 year old buck +
The gun issue is not for elections. It's for raising money in between elections. It's been tried enough and the folks who go after guns end up getting beat back so hard they can only hold the few most blue areas of the country.

I envision leadership from both parties having coffee in the morning and discussing what they're gonna say, as well as where they were going to golf together in the afternoon. Each side heads to the podium to thunder for their side of the issue. Everyone gets all riled up and money starts flying in all directions and ends in the deep pockets of K street. Same happens with abortion and other values issues, yet miraculously, the ball never really moves.

^ You are becoming very learned grasshopper. ;) (save your money for a cause where you can see a difference)
 

Bowsnbucks

5 year old buck +
The older I get, the more one thing becomes glaringly apparent - the legislation that gets pushed the hardest are the bills that benefit the richest. I'm not poo - pooing any small businessman or self-employed person. The things that fly thru congress and get all kinds of money behind them are ones beneficial to corporate executives, Wall Street bankers, or inherited - money - rich types. The only use the true POWER BROKERS have for the avg. Republican or Democrat is for their vote. After election day, 99% of us are like yesterday's breakfast - turds to be flushed & forgotten until the next campaign. The real BIG MONEY PLAYERS - and I mean BIG MONEY - don't give a rat's a$$ about the avg. citizen - be they R or D. They look at us as a tool to make them even richer. ( I'm NOT talking about a husband / wife who worked all their lives and maybe saved & invested to accumulate $1 million or so. ) That is chump change to the big players. Hell - they throw sweet sixteen parties for their spoiled brat kids that cost more than that.

Forget the political name-calling for a second. How many readers hate " Obamacare "? Would you like it better if the HUGE $$$ insurance companies can deny care for a pre-existing condition? Or toss you out as " un-insurable " when you get a serious disease or condition? Do any of us want to go one - on - one against the insurance companies? The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that citizens CAN NOT sue insurance companies for denial of coverage. Big government got off our backs alright - and stood on our throats. When your wife or kid or brother, sister, or ourselves are diagnosed with cancer and the insurance company says "we aren't paying for the treatment " - How FREE do you feel now??? See above Supreme Court ruling.^^^^^^^

What about the big loud mouths who tout getting rid of guns? Several of them made the news when their homes were broken into - and they chased the crooks out with GUNS !!!
Or shot the crooks with GUNS! Oops. Hypocrites.

My point is this - we need to stop the name-calling, childish horseshit and look at what's REALLY important for the majority of us. Most of us aren't filthy rich, we have the same needs for our families, our healthcare ( a necessity - not a luxury ) retirement, etc. The power brokers spout inflammatory shit to get the pots stirred, then they sit back and watch as we bicker & fight amongst ourselves while they sip single malt scotch, puff on hand-rolled Cubans, and bone expensive " Escorts ". It's called DIVISION. DIVIDE & CONQUER. It's an old military strategy and it works on ALL battlefields. Are we smart enough to NOT play the game???
 

Reagan

5 year old buck +
I say vote out any long term incumbent. The republicans are just as bad at creating a nanny state as the democrats. We need to keep the long term professional politicians in fear of losing their jobs.

I am 100% against the democrat party. I'm 90% against most republicans. I am more of a libertarian than anything but I tend to vote for the closest to what I believe instead of sitting back and not voting like many republicans supposedly did in 2012. Even with Romney's faults he was a much better choice than the evil American hating communist we have now.

I suspect that Ted Cruz does not get invited to many of the closed door good old boy meetings where both sides figure out what is best for the ruling class while screwing the rest of us. Gowdy and Issa aren't too bad either.

I'd like to see Boehner tossed out. The way the Republican Party treated Matt Bevin in the KY primary makes me hope Mitch McConnel loses even if it cost the Rino party the senate.


Has this post crossed another line? Hopefully it won't be a cause for "difficult decisions".
 

chummer

5 year old buck +
Obamacare? My self insured Aetna policy was cancelled 1 year ago. I am 56, single, play 10 hours of tennis/week and backpack at 10,000 feet for 150 miles/summer. Forced to buy a policy that covers me for pregnancy, abortion, and prediatric dental for my miracle rectal baby. My deductible went up to $6,700, no free exam, but I am covered for drug/drinking therapy. Oh, and my premium went up from $260 to $420. Anyone who enjoys hunting/gun rights are nuts to vote for a dem.
Right there with you. I had a policy through my business for the family. That policy was cancelled new policy nearly doubled and went from a $0 deduct to $5700. Had to take my daughter to doctor yesterday and paid the full pop $197. NY already had relatively good insurance laws. We did not have pre existing conditions or lifetime limits. I am glad people can get cheap ins, just wish I didn't have to pay for mine and theirs. Just another form of wealth redistribution.
 

Reagan

5 year old buck +
That constitutes my voting strategy for the last few elections. R or D...it doesn't matter...being an elected representative was never supposed to be a career
It's all "fixed" anyway...

I think R or D does matter. Both parties are corrupt. But only one party brought us Obamacare and continues to talk openly about taking from society's producers and giving to the leeches. Beating incumbents in primaries is what needs to happen. Yes it is difficult since each party's machine controls our choices but it can be done. Just ask my former congresswoman. She started out pretty good but after a few years she started to avoid directly answering the people's questions at her town hall meetings. She was replaced by someone was even more to the right.

How many people here have been to their congressman's local meetings? How many have ever met their rep? How any have ever called or written their rep? My guess is very few. Get engaged in the process and good things can happen. If you sit on your hands, it will only get worse.
 

Reagan

5 year old buck +
Right there with you. I had a policy through my business for the family. That policy was cancelled new policy nearly doubled and went from a $0 deduct to $5700. Had to take my daughter to doctor yesterday and paid the full pop $197. NY already had relatively good insurance laws. We did not have pre existing conditions or lifetime limits. I am glad people can get cheap ins, just wish I didn't have to pay for mine and theirs. Just another form of wealth redistribution.

If you like your doctor you can keep you doctor. If you like your health plan you can keep your health plan.

All lies.
 

phil@thesidehill

5 year old buck +
I think R or D does matter. Both parties are corrupt. But only one party brought us Obamacare and continues to talk openly about taking from society's producers and giving to the leeches. Beating incumbents in primaries is what needs to happen. Yes it is difficult since each party's machine controls our choices but it can be done. Just ask my former congresswoman. She started out pretty good but after a few years she started to avoid directly answering the people's questions at her town hall meetings. She was replaced by someone was even more to the right.

How many people here have been to their congressman's local meetings? How many have ever met their rep? How any have ever called or written their rep? My guess is very few. Get engaged in the process and good things can happen. If you sit on your hands, it will only get worse.


I'm on a first name basis with most of my elected representation from the county level on up...save one senator and the governor. I've had good relationships with them all. non of them are long term "career" type politicians..with exception of a state rep..but she is a good one. My US Congressman is the one that got into with Pelosi on the house floor a few months back...made me chuckle.

I have to say that I'm not registered as an R or D....definitely fall more in line with libertarians on most issues. The fact that R and D are the only ones that can vote int he primaries is total and complete BS....that has got to go. If all can vote in the primaries...those two parties power brokerage begins to fail. We need to get the long term incumbents out or back in line. Last I checked the elected should be doing their service as a civic duty....not as a career move.
 

Bowsnbucks

5 year old buck +
Bottom line is this - the " little guy " always gets the short end of the stick. R, D, Green, Lib. doesn't matter. Rich get breaks - we get broken. Real honest to God working people - regardless of party - shoulder the burdens.
 
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