Research on planting techniques

I planted my first food plot, when working for the Feds in 1979 - disk, pto spreader, and tire drag - milo for ducks. It did great. For the next ten years, I planted about 20 food plots a year while working with the feds - wheat or WR in the fall and browntop millet in the spring. Tractor disked and bush highed, 4 wheeler seed spread with a tow behind seeder and a chain link drag. We did not use any herbicide

Promotion took me out of the dirt but still planted a few private land food plots on other folks private land - mostly for doves - all disking, spreading seed, and dragging. For the most part, all these food plots did great using minimal equipment. For the most part, all the planting was done pretty much the same way. Food plots were contract limed - usually every two or three years. About 50% required bush hogging, then usually two passes with a disk, two passes with the spreader for seed and fertilizer, and a pass with a drag. Six passes over the same piece of ground - seven if limed. One person made a trip around bush hogging with tractor where ever required. That same person would then go back around with a disk on each plot. I would follow with atv, seed/fertilizer, spreader, and drag. It was labor intensive but it worked and plots looked great.

I bought my own land in early 2000’s and did my own plots with a Honda 500 4 wheeler, tow behind spreader, 4 ft disk, tow behind bush hog, and drag. Pretty much the same operation as the past twenty some years - with a downgrade in equipment. Same great results. Same requirement of five or so passes. Then I bought a used JD 790, 28 hp 4wd tractor, five ft disk, five ft bush hog, pto spreader, and pto sprayer. Still pretty much the same number of passes, but quicker with a little bigger equipment. I got up to doing about 30 acres with this equipment.

For a for a few years, I borrowed the neighbors tractor and rented a drill. It did great in the nice open food plots , not great so great around native pecan trees because they drop so many limbs and would get lodged all over with all that undercarriage hanging down. I also damaged it once when going over a tree root. While I wasnt so impressed with the complexity of the equipment, I had a taste of the reduction in required labor a drill provided.

Six years ago, I bought a new 65 hp JD and seven ft bush hog, a used seven ft Woods Seeder, and a seven ft disk. For the most part, I first sprayed the food plot a month before planting and then planted with the woods seeder directly without bush hogging. I quit using fertilizer. I was able to cut out the pass with the bush hog on most areas, a pass with the drag, and I also quit the fertilizer - and upgraded my equipment to seven ft - it went a LOT quicker - probably 1/3 the time. I plant wheat and clover for fall plots, utilizing the clover to fix nitrogen and the wheat to burn nitrogen. I do still fertilize my seed producing food plots for doves and ducks.

Through all this, I started experimenting with some throw and mow plots for fall plantings. With fall plantings, I dont have to spray herbicide - just spread with a pto spreader and come back with a bush hog - the ultimate in labor saving - but also not quite so great results. The cereal grains do fine, the clovers have just never done much for me. Have thought about using the woods seeder or something else with some tillage capabilty to get the clover established and then go back to a true throw n mow. I do plant cereal grains straight into clover with my woods seeder.

I have always planted my millet for doves with some type of tillage. Then chamged to a spray and woods seeder. Weather patterns have changed here to where it has been too wet the past four or five years to use a tractor for any work in the spring. That has drove me to plant my dove fields using a sprayer in my sxs and a pto spreader on my sxs. I dont bush hog - and the millet planting have done as well as using any other kind of planting method.

As I get older, I tend to try to make things easier, using less time and equipment. My plantings for deer - which are the easiest - are wheat and clover - usually with the woods seeder - maybe spraying - but maybe not - planting and bush hog. Usually two passes. Provides deer food from Oct - mid Aug in most years. All year in years without a drought. Deer dont care.

The deer plots are easy. Dove plots can be more labor intensive - duck plots can be a nightmare.

Through the 46 years I have been planting food plots with all types of equipment - I dont really see much difference with the end results of the different methods, but there can be a huge difference in labor cost and a fair difference in money cost. I have never been one who enjoyed climbing on a tractor - I consider it a means to an end - I would much rather be hunting for ducks, doves, or deer than planting for them. I do like to see the results of my planting efforts in a nicely producing food plot - if someone would come up with a self propagating food plot planting - I would be in line.
 
^ Good history of how things have "progressed" in the food plot world. I have sone some similar things.....but not for doves or ducks.

I wonder if the world is ready for a (relatively) low cost seed drill for use with an TV or UTV? Maybe a 3 foot wide machine that could drill seeds up to 1 Inch deep (5 rows of double disks at 7.5"). I imagine it would need to weight 1000 lbs or so plus up to 100 lbs of seed. Would a decent ATV or UTV have the stones to do this? Or, have I not been paying attention and someone is making one?

I'd bet a well made product that could retail somewhere around $5000 would get some action.

EDIT: Kinda forgot about the PH / Genesis 3 foot drill. It weighs at 1,200 lbs.....but that price is a show stopper (for many) at over $11,000
 
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^ Good history of how things have "progressed" in the food plot world. I have sone some similar things.....but not for doves or ducks.

I wonder if the world is ready for a (relatively) low cost seed drill for use with an TV or UTV? Maybe a 3 foot wide machine that could drill seeds up to 1 Inch deep (5 rows of double disks at 7.5"). I imagine it would need to weight 1000 lbs or so plus up to 100 lbs of seed. Would a decent ATV or UTV have the stones to do this? Or, have I not been paying attention and someone is making one?

I'd bet a well made product that could retail somewhere around $5000 would get some action.

EDIT: Kinda forgot about the PH / Genesis 3 foot drill. It weighs at 1,200 lbs.....but that price is a show stopper (for many) at over $11,000
My old honda 500 would get hot in the heat of summer pulling a 300 lb disk. I think 1000 lbs of ground contact equipment would be a load for an atv
 
My old honda 500 would get hot in the heat of summer pulling a 300 lb disk. I think 1000 lbs of ground contact equipment would be a load for an atv
Yeah....your right. I did allot of dirty work with my ATV's in the past too....and was pretty limited on how much they could penetrate the dirt. Still....just five double disk blades does not see like an insurmountable task. Today we are looking at UTV's that weigh over 2000 lbs (for example a Polaris Ranger) and has enough HP to do the job. I was just looking at the PH outdoors site and they are marketing their G3 to do that job. I dont know anyone who has one.

As you say.....the amount of time needed with a sprayer and drill and a mower is significantly reduced as compared to the "old" tillage days.
 
Yeah....your right. I did allot of dirty work with my ATV's in the past too....and was pretty limited on how much they could penetrate the dirt. Still....just five double disk blades does not see like an insurmountable task. Today we are looking at UTV's that weigh over 2000 lbs (for example a Polaris Ranger) and has enough HP to do the job. I was just looking at the PH outdoors site and they are marketing their G3 to do that job. I dont know anyone who has one.

As you say.....the amount of time needed with a sprayer and drill and a mower is significantly reduced as compared to the "old" tillage days.
Yes - there is a huge difference in working capability of my 900 ranger sxs and my honda 500 4 wheeler.
 
Yes - there is a huge difference in working capability of my 900 ranger sxs and my honda 500 4 wheeler.
While I never have owned a product like a minimum till seeder (such as Woods or other brands) I can see where these may be the best alternative if you do not have a tractor. Most of use that have been food plotting for ten or more years have lots of tilling, disking, and dragging and packing in our history. The throw and mow, and no-till methods are certainly gaining popularity with lots more people going that route every year. Seems the big equipment is not as needed as it once was.? Still, there remains a gap to fill between reliable UTV work ....and tractor work.
 
While I never have owned a product like a minimum till seeder (such as Woods or other brands) I can see where these may be the best alternative if you do not have a tractor. Most of use that have been food plotting for ten or more years have lots of tilling, disking, and dragging and packing in our history. The throw and mow, and no-till methods are certainly gaining popularity with lots more people going that route every year. Seems the big equipment is not as needed as it once was.? Still, there remains a gap to fill between reliable UTV work ....and tractor work.

I think the 10k UTV drills are a bit hard to swallow for most guys. Big benefit behind these units is that they can get into some areas where a tractor and bigger drill/planter couldn’t get. Well the thing is those plots are usually pretty small - you wouldn’t have a big plot of 1+ acres without a decent access road. Even if a guy has 5 plots of 1-acre on his 100 acres, would he really benefit that much from spending 10k on a smaller drill? 10k for 5 acres of plots a year, that could probably get put into clover and still be pretty attractive while just get mowed and/or sprayed a couple times a summer.

This is from a guy with a 40k tractor and 10k drill that plots 5-10 acres a year to eat venison and watch my kids smile - I recognize the absurdity!
 
A 2 row no-till seeder that could be pulled with a atv, costs less than $1000, and has a marker system would sell like crazy! Clovers and cereals will grow in the bed of a truck. Milo, beans, corn, etc can be grown with TnM with good rains, but without good weather at the right time those become unreliable. I'd be happy to make a hundred passes through a plot to get seed buried and have the right seed population/spacing.
 
A 2 row no-till seeder that could be pulled with an atv, costs less than $1000, and has a marker system would sell like crazy! Clovers and cereals will grow in the bed of a truck. Milo, beans, corn, etc can be grown with TnM with good rains, but without good weather at the right time those become unreliable. I'd be happy to make a hundred passes through a plot to get seed buried and have the right seed population/spacing.
I wouldn’t want to plant anything bigger than a postage stamp with a 2 row no till, that would take forever!!
 
David it's a great idea but to me 1.5 passes around to broadcast and crimp a field year works for me. 2 hour max per acre.
 
Cool. Maybe SD can answer these questions. Do you have a roller crimper?
I don't have a crimper, yet... I have been following the throw and mow thread and it is AWESOME!
 
I think the 10k UTV drills are a bit hard to swallow for most guys. Big benefit behind these units is that they can get into some areas where a tractor and bigger drill/planter couldn’t get. Well the thing is those plots are usually pretty small - you wouldn’t have a big plot of 1+ acres without a decent access road. Even if a guy has 5 plots of 1-acre on his 100 acres, would he really benefit that much from spending 10k on a smaller drill? 10k for 5 acres of plots a year, that could probably get put into clover and still be pretty attractive while just get mowed and/or sprayed a couple times a summer.

This is from a guy with a 40k tractor and 10k drill that plots 5-10 acres a year to eat venison and watch my kids smile - I recognize the absurdity!
While most folks, me included - would consider a 40K tractor and a 10k drill overkill for 5-10 acres - if you have the money and that is your passion - go for it. I have a business parter who bought a 125 hp JD to plant about 20 acres. He just like to plant row crop stuff. He had the money and the desire. Some folks, the biggest concern is time and if the equipment reduces the time spent by 2/3’s - the money might be worth it if you are only planting five acres.
 
I wouldn’t want to plant anything bigger than a postage stamp with a 2 row no till, that would take forever!!

Did some math... at 2' row spacing it would take 51 and a half minutes per acre. Of course that's if I did the math right. Pretty slow.
 
This has been a favorite topic of mine for years. Fleet equipment for plots was never in the cards for me. I still need to buy a house to live in, in town, or I need to retire early.

This is an exercise in understanding your own user requirements. There are questions a person needs to answer before they take off down a path. I learned long ago I don't need beans and I don't need brassicas to put deer on the X when i want them on it. I need clovers and grains. Then I needed to figure out how to beat the weeds and push output. Then I had to figure out how to keep them productive without having to do the things I had no desire to do like having to kill weeds, fertilize, or do maintenance lime. So I needed to learn how to prevent those chores.

Then it quit raining 4 years ago. How do I beat the drought? And the challenges keep coming, and that's the fun part. I'll be up to 2.5 acres plots under management this year if I get my expansions done. I always keep an eye on how much equipment I own vs the acres I run. What do I have sunk into plotting assets in dollars per plot acre? On one hand I could argue almost zero because I'd have a four wheeler whether I plotted or not. On the other, I could assign a total market value of all my plotting equipment of $5,000 if you use the full value of the wheeler, blower, ATV cart, misc spraying equipment, etc. That would put me at $2,000/ac in plotting assets.

So for me, perfecting this system has as huge prize at the end of the rainbow if it works. I've also compiled a list of alternative names for what I'm doing:

Sling and smash
Fling and flop
Express and press
Cast and crush
Lob and lay
Scatter and squash
Pitch and pack
Fire and fell
Send and stomp
Catapult and clobber
Transmit and trample
Diffuse and desolate
Profuse and pillage
 
I think some folks get too hung up on a single planting method. During the course of the year I use a hand cyclone spreader, and electric spreader on my sxs, a one row planter, and 84” Woods Seeder, a pto tractor mounted spreader, and contract drone seeding. No one way works for everything.
 
While most folks, me included - would consider a 40K tractor and a 10k drill overkill for 5-10 acres - if you have the money and that is your passion - go for it. I have a business parter who bought a 125 hp JD to plant about 20 acres. He just like to plant row crop stuff. He had the money and the desire. Some folks, the biggest concern is time and if the equipment reduces the time spent by 2/3’s - the money might be worth it if you are only planting five acres.
Lot's of folks in this camp. I am one. I have a 40 hp cab tractor, and a 10K drill. Prior to the drill I did the disking or tilling and broadcasting seed and dragging and cultipacking, then fertilizing those seeds. Lots of trips across the dirt and lots of expense and time. I cannot walk the steps to do the seeding by hand anymore......so I adapted my Herd seeder to throw small lots, etc.

The drill has saved so much time and work.....that it has provided me the ability to keep doing this stuff. That is a big win for me.
 
^^^ I started to do TnM in the early 90's. Thought I had it figured out, but we're in our 6th yr of drought. When we get rain it's been untimely. Last summer I broke ground that's never been turned. Had I not cover the seed that I threw out it would have been a failure. Shouldn't be afraid to try different things. But it is a little blow to my pride that these plots are no longer disc virgins.
 
Cat I know the drought thing we'll last fall 6 weeks of no rain and broadcasted rye would not pop. Kinda wonder if it will pop this spring with heat. I know making my life easier and spending less time is the goal for my food plots. I have now used my crimper once and can't wait till August to use it again. Flattening a one acre field in one pass is amazing in one hour rocks. Less wear n tear. No gly fert or lime required
 
I do my food plotting in pretty sandy soil. If we do not get rain every 10 days things will dry up very fast. Almost without exception I will get a rough period every summer. If I gotta turn the dirt and drag or disk....it just dries it out even faster yet. My drill allows new crops to stay alive for at least three times that of tilled land. Also planting seeds into ground with a rye mulch over it.....keeps the soil much more moist and cooler too.

^ You almost need to experience these things first hand to see how beneficial a drilled seed is compared to the seeds that are planted with tillage. No comparison in many years.
 
Foggy no doubt about it. Your 100 percent correct and I applaud you. I'd I lived on my land I would do that as well but a 2.5 hour truck ride get the stuff out and broadcast and crimp now works for me. It's not perfect and sometimes won't work. I have .9 OM sandy soil and I understand how fast it dries out. I'm amazed I have clover growing in it now. Just wanna see worm casings
 
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