Official GRIN "research" reporting thread

kabic

5 year old buck +
It has been a few years since the habitat crowd has been getting scion from GRIN. I believe as part of the order, you have to state some kind of research that you will be doing.

What I would like people to do on this thread is "report" their research goal, and any results you have so far. Make sure to name at least some of the varieties you have received.


As a tax payer I demand to hear your results! :p:D:)
 
I went the education and public demonstration route since I'm a hunter ed instructor and take kids to the farm and demonstrate grafting. Demonstrating how varieties perform in a wildlife setting when grafted to crabapple seedling rootstock.

Thanks,

jack
 
Nice idea gents, love it!

This is my research project for the affect of C.A.R. Mostly I chose that path because i'm somewhat in the good growing belt for fruit as far as medium conditions weather wise. My Location for these (when they are moved to their final resting place is on a flat surface in W MI, Zone 5A. My tree plantings here are spaced 30 feet apart in rows. Its a square in the end so I cannot say its N/S or E/W planting.
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Being as most of this ground is flat in & around that area and it is a bit marshy in the spring to the right(east) in that over grown pasture area. I don't think a 'frost pocket' will be a problem in this area as it will have full sun exposure.

Decker Apple CAR Project

I started grafting w/ GRIN in spring 2016.

The following varities I lost after initial grafting was successful but when transplanting to the nursery they did not survive.

  • Crimson Gold
  • Hudsons Golden Gem
  • Lady

These varieties are living in the nursery as of when they went dormant this fall, listed with name, rootstock, and growth (in inches)the first year.

  • Adam's Pearmain, B118, 35.5
  • Arkansas Black, B118. 23
  • Ashmeads Kernel, B118 34
  • Empire, B118, 16
  • Florina, B118, 18
  • Frostbite, B118, 18.5
  • Fuji Red Sport 2, Ranetka, 10.5
  • Fuji Red Sport 2, G30, 31.5 (in its final resting place at my house)
  • Geneva Crab, Ranetka, 25
  • Geneva Crab, B118, 20
  • Golden Hornet Crab, Ranetka, 10
  • Holiday, B118, 28.5
  • Nova Spy, B118, 32
  • Pink Pearl, B118, 28
  • Pink Pearl, G30, 27 (In its final resting place at my moms)
  • Pristine, B118, 19
  • Rosedale Crab, Ranetka, 7.5
  • Roxbury Russet, Ranetka, 14.5
  • Roxbury Russet, G30, 9.5
  • Winesap, Ranetka, 36
  • Winter Banana, B118, 31.5
  • Wolf River, Ranetka, 23
  • Yellow Transparent, Ranetka, 23


The following varieties were field grafted onto previously planted rootstock that had failed grafts.

  • Ashmeads Kernel, M7, 14
  • Jonagold, Antonovka, 26.5
  • Pink Pearl, M7, 15
  • Rosedale Crab, Antonovka, 16

No signs in the nursery or in the field of C.A.R. were present in the first year of growth.
 
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I will try to put a report together on apples and pears sometime this week. One thing I have noticed is that first year grafts rarely show CAR symptoms regardless of susceptibility, because by the time they push growth here the inoculation period has pretty well passed for the year.
 
I just stated I was testing how rare antique varieties would grow in my midwest environment. Here are GRIN varieties I grafted in early 2016:
Golden Harvey
Sweet Alford
Isle of Wight pippin
Ross nonpareil
Bonum
Mother
Kerry pippin
Blue pearmain
Hubbard pearmain
Wealthy
Primate
Old pearmain
Oliver
Peck's pleasant
Fall pippin
Sturmer pippin
Lamb abbey pearmain
Lemon pippin
Melon
Fall russet
Lady
Rosemary russet
Hoover
Ralls Janet
sweet coppin
Blenheim orange
Amere de berthecourt
Ellis bitter
Muscadet Bernay
D'Arcy spice
Golden noble
Mannington pearmain
Wyken pippin
Pine golden pippin
 
Varieties I ordered from GRIN for 2017 grafting:
Pine golden pippin
Harvey (England)
D'Arcy Spice
Mannington pearmain
Black gilliflower
Granite beauty
Hawkeye
Ingram
Jewett red
Salome
Winter banana
Wyken pippin
Adams pearmain
Claygate pearmain
Cranberry pippin
Porter
Skyrme's kernal
Pumpkin sweet
Egremont russet
Esopus spitzenburg
Twenty ounce
Vandevere
Wolf river
Golden noble
Cap of liberty
 
I just stated I was testing how rare antique varieties would grow in my midwest environment. Here are GRIN varieties I grafted in early 2016:
...

Are they all still alive? Some do better than others?
 
Are they all still alive? Some do better than others?

I lost Lady rather quickly when i moved i moved it outside. How did it fair there?


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Not one, but two impressive lists Dan!
Chuck will have to chime in since he gets the grin scions.
We're testing how they hold up to fire blight, drought, and heat.
He has last summer's t bud list and our bench list for this year, but off my head I remember,
Quindell
Early banta
Delstein
Golden Hornet
 
I would like to see the CAR results.

This last summer, some of the spring grafts showed CAR. Not a typical thing like TC said.
 
Are they all still alive? Some do better than others?
I lost 1/3 of my grafts last year, due to draught and not being at the farm regularly to water. Losses were not variety specific.
 
I lost Lady rather quickly when i moved i moved it outside. How did it fair there?


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Grafted 2 Lady and both survived.
 
So far I've only ordered twice with the first order being last year's tbuds.

I grafted golden hornet to m111 and b118 but rabbits got to the b118 after a storm blew off the protection.

Other trees are as follows.

Early banta to Anatova
Grin dolgo to b118
Quindel to b118
Delstein to b118

This year though haven't got the confirmation of shipping yet but have ordered,

Kidds Orange Red
Pricilla
Pristine
Liberty
Olliver
Kerr
Centennial
Geneva crab
Wickson

Have a variation of b118 and Anatova they will be grafted to with the exception of crabs which I'll be top working into calloway crabs.
 
My GRIN orders generally support the columnar apple breeding effort in my Project W thread. No real results yet, just getting started. Anything that ends up being diseased I'll get rid of. My plan has been use these trees to pollinate my columnar apple trees to create specific crosses. But I have started to question whether I want to track all of that. I may go with open pollination, just grow out columnar seedlings, and see what I get.

I have also included some apple rootstocks that are only available from GRIN. Novole and Bud 490 I'll grow into trees and try to get hardwood cuttings to root to make my own rootstock. I got dwarfing rootstocks to compare interstems on B118 or MM111 but I decided that is too much work. I just kept the most dwarfing varieties to test 1 or 2 DR varieties. The rest were re-budded last summer.

I don't have anything on order now. I thought about Wellington Bloomless and Spencer Seedless. I have some pear rootstock on order and have been looking at late ripening pear varieties for a budwood order. My apple rootstocks will all be columnar bench grafts.

For 2015 budwood, I strictly I looked first for fireblight resistance, ripening times, and a variety of genetics (many crab hybrids). A couple I decided not to graft and a couple I lost the graft or the tree.
PI 589170 Malus brevipes Rehder crabapple
PI 613988 Malus sieversii KAZ 96 05-04 lost both trees
PI 613986 Malus sieversii KAZ 96 03-09 "elite scion material"
PI 594099 malus x asiatica crab
PI 590186 Wijcik Macintosh original columnar tree
PI 589407 M. glaucescens crab
PI 613921 Malus x asiatica nakai crab
PI 589617 Malus hybr Waubay crab
PI 613948 Kandil Sinap
PI 589786 crab PRI 77-1 scab resistant (wolf river x sieboldi 2982-22)
PI 589260 malus fusca x malus pumila crab
PI 589824 Jonsib crab (jonathon x irkutsk[baccata]) -scab resistant lost one tree, might have 2nd but lost tag
PI 588866 Kerr (dolgo x haralson)
PI 105388 Paradiso Did not graft
PI 590174 Novole pea size crab, Jim Cummins rootstock, voles dislike taste of bark
PI 588886 elise rathke weeping crab
PI 238028 elise ratkee weeping crab Did not graft
PI 215796 lady ilgen weeping crab
PI 589252 Malus hybr "Rosedale" small crab lost either Rosedale or Persicfolia to vole
PI 589383 M. x robusta "Persicifolia", small crab, scab resistant

My 2016 scionwood order added a bunch of later ripening disease resistant PRI Co-op selections, cider varieties, and the dwarfing rootstocks. I still have at least 1 tree from every variety.
Accession Name Comment
PI 588830 Budagovsky 57-490 rootstock
PI 588838 Nova Easygro DR
PI 588881 Ottawa 3 interstem
PI 588971 Roxbury Russet cider
PI 589662 Brown's Apple cider
PI 589670 Michelin cider
PI 589777 PRI 1918-1 DR
PI 589830 PRI F2 DR
PI 589953 Co-op 17 DR
PI 590198 Co-op 11 DR
PI 590208 Co-op 28 DR
PI 590212 Pristine DR
PI 590214 Co-op 34 DR
PI 590216 Co-op 36 DR
PI 590217 Co-op 37 DR
PI 107171 Bramley's Seedling cider
PI 175550 Trembletts Bitter cider
PI 213405 Golden Hornet cider
PI 264693 Sumatovka cider
PI 352653 P.2 interstem
PI 437038 Budagovsky 57-146 interstem
PI 437046 P.22 interstem
PI 613941 Coop 41 DR
PI 613944 Coop 44 DNA testing showed this is really MM.111
PI 657766 Frostbite cider/eating - U of Minn
 
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No, I had 2 grafts of each KAZ variety but I lost both grafts of the KAZ 96 05-04. One I think I pruned off the rootstock too close to the bud and probably too late after it started growing. It killed the whole tree. The other was on a potted dwarf tree where the new bud growth was knocked off by squirrels rooting around for maple seeds.

I was not too upset at losing the KAZ 96 05-04. It had a very resistant fireblight rating but was the earliest ripening apple on my GRIN order. I'm not sure it fit well in my orchard so I am fine with replacing that tree. The only early apples I have are ones I know are good eating apples.
 
only 5 reports

:(
 
Most of my grin trees are only on their 2nd leaf so I don't have a lot to report yet
But my goal is to evaluate for disease resistance (mainly FB) in zone 6 on m7 rootstock
 
A few of my GRIN trees with apples this year. Tbudded in 2015. There are a few more crabs that set fruit this year that I don't have photos of.

I also placed an scionwood order for 15 pear varieties for next spring.
 

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