Do you remember it being colder

[omicron1792]

Carbon graph over same period.


Doesn’t look quite as dramatic now does it. Even in second one the dramatic part at end is t real. It’s estimated. Ha

Only man made thing I have found to be true is we put more carbon in air than we did 500 years ago. That’s it. And it’s a very very small amount compared to what nature did numerous times over the years. And way less than the huge life explosions on our planet during the warm periods seen above.

Fossil fuels will run out, and we will eventually switch to renewables, and people will look back at this hysteria about like we look at y2k. IMO.

 

[Knehrke]

lolololol. I can make stuff look however I want if I mess around with the scale bar in different parts of the plot. Try plotting it on a standard log linear scale and see what it looks like then. Hysterical - not to be dismissive, but this is the sort of thing that turns my crank. I review LOTS of manuscripts, and the only part of the conclusion here I agree with is that it starts with, "Doesn't LOOK quite as dramatic..."

 

[Teeder]

"Earth’s temperature has risen by an average of 0.11° Fahrenheit (0.06° Celsius) per decade since 1850, or about 2° F in total."

I haven't read this whole thread but this statement jumped out to me.

1850 is the year they say the "Little Ice Age" ended. That lasted from about 1300 to 1850. I would assume that temperatures would tend to get warmer after a "Little Ice Age".
550 years. I'd also assume it may take a while to get back to "normal ".

I question the ability to accurately measure the temps in the 1850's, too.
I have a metrology laboratory and monitor the temp and humidity. My monitor isn't exactly cheap and it's stated accuracy is +/-0.8 deg F. That's inside a lab!

I don't buy the narrative that some warming is a bad thing, especially when the only way to fix it is for all of us to become Marxists.

 

[Brian662]

We are coming out of an ice age. Of course it’s rising.

I just want to make it clear that at no point in this thread have I stated why, in my opinion, the temperature is rising.
I am like dawg in the fact that it piques my curiosity and is something that is clearly evident and noticeable over the past 25 years.

Would go to Saskatchewan annually to hunt snow geese since turning 18. We eventually had to keep shifting our dates later and later to catch the migration in the right window. Some years of course it didn't work out with an early freeze, but more often than not the later dates put you right in the chips.

 

[omicron1792]

lolololol. I can make stuff look however I want if I mess around with the scale bar in different parts of the plot. Try plotting it on a standard log linear scale and see what it looks like then. Hysterical - not to be dismissive, but this is the sort of thing that turns my crank. I review LOTS of manuscripts, and the only part of the conclusion here I agree with is that it starts with, "Doesn't LOOK quite as dramatic..."

What?

 

[Bill]

Well. I’m just going to say if things get bad and the family is hungry I’ll shoot a button buck. :(

And I can’t believe in the short life I’ve lived scientists predicted I was going to freeze to death and now they say I’m going to be drowned because I live on the coast.

Their wrong….
I’ll die of bad choices

 

[4wanderingeyes]

I can also remember in the 70’s that we were headed back into an ice age. That didn’t happen, so “they” dreamed up other scary agendas.

I will admit this winter has been warmer then I can remember, but if you can find a weather channel that will post the jet stream, you will see why. But they no longer show the jet stream. Last winter we had record snow fall, the year before one of the coldest winters in 50 years. Are temps trending warmer world wide? No clue, I can only compare what my memory tells me of the area I am in, and go off of the news that has an agenda.

I use to race snowmobiles in the late 70’s early 80’s in MN, many events were canceled because of no snow from December through February. So the lack of snow, and warmups aren’t new like the news make you believe.

But for those of you who are overly concerned of the drastic .11 degree warm up per decade on average in the last 150 years, do you not have more important things to be worried about in your life?

If we all drove Priuses and Teslas, and stopped raising cows so they can’t fart, would the drastic warm up of .011 per year be less? If you think so, can you prove it?

 

[drycreek]

I remember when it was colder. I was born in 1947. I also remember when it was hotter, then colder, then hotter again. The winters in the early to mid 80s had the ground frozen a foot deep in East Texas, that’s really cold for here. Last year and year before we had really hot summers, even for Texas. The winter of 21/22 was colder than a well digger’s ass, then the summer was fairly mild. I don’t think you can predict off of those wild swings. It is what it is.

 

[West_Fork]

On >5,000 year time scales, orbital and solar variability are the dominant control over climate. We are nearing the end of a 22,500 year wobble in earths rotation and peak insolation of northern latitudes; warming. This is what controls glacial periods @ 55,000 year intervals.

On <5,000 year time scales, oscillations in air/water circulation are the dominant control over climate. North America is in warming drying trend (that is within a longer warming drying trend) for the past 1,600 years, believed to be caused by a change in an oscillation(s). This is what drove cultural shifts in north america over the last few thousand years.

El Nino southern oscillation runs a 7-9 cycle. The Pacific decadal oscillation runs around 80 years. The Atlantic multi-decadal, well it must run some decades. And there are others that we do and don't know exist with much longer cycles. This is where climate change relevant to humans comes from. Mesoamerican empires rose and fell with these oscillations.

The winters of 1888 and 1899 was most likely ENSO combining with something else.

The dust bowl and warm wet winters of the 1930's was possibly a combination of ENSO changed phase at the same the PDO was changing phase.

The bad winters of the 1950s, enso again.


Co2 only makes people retarded.

 

[FarmerDan]

On >5,000 year time scales, orbital and solar variability are the dominant control over climate. We are nearing the end of a 22,500 year wobble in earths rotation and peak insolation of northern latitudes; warming. This is what controls glacial periods @ 55,000 year intervals.

On <5,000 year time scales, oscillations in air/water circulation are the dominant control over climate. North America is in warming drying trend (that is within a longer warming drying trend) for the past 1,600 years, believed to be caused by a change in an oscillation(s). This is what drove cultural shifts in north america over the last few thousand years.

El Nino southern oscillation runs a 7-9 cycle. The Pacific decadal oscillation runs around 80 years. The Atlantic multi-decadal, well it must run some decades. And there are others that we do and don't know exist with much longer cycles. This is where climate change relevant to humans comes from. Mesoamerican empires rose and fell with these oscillations.

The winters of 1888 and 1899 was most likely ENSO combining with something else.

The dust bowl and warm wet winters of the 1930's was possibly a combination of ENSO changed phase at the same the PDO was changing phase.

The bad winters of the 1950s, enso again.


Co2 only makes people retarded.

I liked it better when we made up stuff. Delusion is a wonderful thing! Ignorance is a close second....
Having your back turned when the bus hits you is also of some comfort!

 

[bwoods11]

On >5,000 year time scales, orbital and solar variability are the dominant control over climate. We are nearing the end of a 22,500 year wobble in earths rotation and peak insolation of northern latitudes; warming. This is what controls glacial periods @ 55,000 year intervals.

On <5,000 year time scales, oscillations in air/water circulation are the dominant control over climate. North America is in warming drying trend (that is within a longer warming drying trend) for the past 1,600 years, believed to be caused by a change in an oscillation(s). This is what drove cultural shifts in north america over the last few thousand years.

El Nino southern oscillation runs a 7-9 cycle. The Pacific decadal oscillation runs around 80 years. The Atlantic multi-decadal, well it must run some decades. And there are others that we do and don't know exist with much longer cycles. This is where climate change relevant to humans comes from. Mesoamerican empires rose and fell with these oscillations.

The winters of 1888 and 1899 was most likely ENSO combining with something else.

The dust bowl and warm wet winters of the 1930's was possibly a combination of ENSO changed phase at the same the PDO was changing phase.

The bad winters of the 1950s, enso again.


Co2 only makes people retarded

 

[Tree Spud]

Climate change is nothing more than a money grab and a way to control society's lab rats through fear. For every 1 PPM of carbon we reduce, China, Russia, India, etc. all add 1000's PPM or more.

The problem with renewable fuels is they either require more energy to produce than the fuel which is produced, or they are extremely aggressive and damaging to the earth and environment. They are also extremely unreliable. None of these technologies are a long term solution. We have plenty of fuel (carbon, natural gas, nuclear, coal) to last many generations which would allow the time to innovate proper solutions that can be sustained.

When people use the term "renewable" it is to make themselves appear enlightened, viture signaler, part of the we know better crowd. What do you do when corn is needed more for food than energy, the electric grid is 25+ years from supporting electric initiatives (cars, appliance, HVAC, etc), when wind & solar can be damaged or destroyed by mother nature? And btw, current renewables will never be able to support the electric grids demands.

The next stage of energy technology will be very different than the current group of scams being promoted. Lots of creative minds out there that will invent something. Let's just hope the Gov't is not involved.

One other thought ... how many peoples lives would be improved if we actually used the $$ wasted on renewables to develop cures for diseases such as cancer, diabetes, alzheimers, etc.?

Oh well, political causes are way more important than improving people's lives

 

[Teeder]

Climate change is nothing more than a money grab and a way to control society's lab rats through fear. For every 1 PPM of carbon we reduce, China, Russia, India, etc. all add 1000's PPM or more.

The problem with renewable fuels is they either require more energy to produce than the fuel which is produced, or they are extremely aggressive and damaging to the earth and environment. They are also extremely unreliable. None of these technologies are a long term solution. We have plenty of fuel (carbon, natural gas, nuclear, coal) to last many generations which would allow the time to innovate proper solutions that can be sustained.

When people use the term "renewable" it is to make themselves appear enlightened, viture signaler, part of the we know better crowd. What do you do when corn is needed more for food than energy, the electric grid is 25+ years from supporting electric initiatives (cars, appliance, HVAC, etc), when wind & solar can be damaged or destroyed by mother nature? And btw, current renewables will never be able to support the electric grids demands.

The next stage of energy technology will be very different than the current group of scams being promoted. Lots of creative minds out there that will invent something. Let's just hope the Gov't is not involved.

One other thought ... how many peoples lives would be improved if we actually used the $$ wasted on renewables to develop cures for diseases such as cancer, diabetes, alzheimers, etc.?

Oh well, political causes are way more important than improving people's lives

Amen, brother!

 

[letemgrow]

On >5,000 year time scales, orbital and solar variability are the dominant control over climate. We are nearing the end of a 22,500 year wobble in earths rotation and peak insolation of northern latitudes; warming. This is what controls glacial periods @ 55,000 year intervals.

On <5,000 year time scales, oscillations in air/water circulation are the dominant control over climate. North America is in warming drying trend (that is within a longer warming drying trend) for the past 1,600 years, believed to be caused by a change in an oscillation(s). This is what drove cultural shifts in north america over the last few thousand years.

El Nino southern oscillation runs a 7-9 cycle. The Pacific decadal oscillation runs around 80 years. The Atlantic multi-decadal, well it must run some decades. And there are others that we do and don't know exist with much longer cycles. This is where climate change relevant to humans comes from. Mesoamerican empires rose and fell with these oscillations.

The winters of 1888 and 1899 was most likely ENSO combining with something else.

The dust bowl and warm wet winters of the 1930's was possibly a combination of ENSO changed phase at the same the PDO was changing phase.

The bad winters of the 1950s, enso again.


Co2 only makes people retarded.

I've always wondered how much play the sun has in all this.

 

[4wanderingeyes]

I think the biggest factor humans play on temperatures is from blacktopping, black rooftops, concrete jungles, black plowed fields, and cutting down trees taking away natural shade.
Dont believe me, when it is 90 and sunny, go stand in the middle of a black parking lot, or roof a house. Then go sit under a big tree in the shade and tell me there isnt a difference.

 

[Mortenson]

Drops in the ocean.

 

[matinc]

Why not plant a large tree for every parking space in a parking lot. Bet that would make a huge difference quickly. But ask your self how many billions the epa gets and what of any intelligence actually we get for the money.

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/23/climate-crisis-world-logs-hottest-day-since-records-began.html

 

[SwampCat]

Maybe the coldest week in south AR I have seen in 45 yrs here

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

Boise idaho