Do you remember it being colder

[omicron1792]

Coldest week in July here in Alabama I ever remember. High was 81 yesterday. We have about 3 weeks of sub 90 temps in a row.

Don’t cherry-pick Dawg! That’s not even where you live. You can always find a hot place to post. Show us your home location where it actually matters to you.

We have also shown that we are in a warming cycle coming out of little ice age. With no humans on the planet, we would still be warming. That’s indisputable.

 

[Teeder]

"We have also shown that we are in a warming cycle coming out of little ice age. With no humans on the planet, we would still be warming. That’s indisputable."

That's where I'm at!

 

[Hoytvectrix]

"We have also shown that we are in a warming cycle coming out of little ice age. With no humans on the planet, we would still be warming. That’s indisputable."

That's where I'm at!

But is it warming faster than it would be otherwise?

 

[Teeder]

How would we know?

I've been trying to age some of my arrowheads lately. The time periods go from such and such warming period to such and such cooling period. I'd say we were in a warming period that came after the "Little Ice age" cooling period.
Maybe we are affecting the already scheduled warming, maybe not. I have a hard time listening to politicians that have lied about everything else telling me what to do about it.

 

[Teeder]

Biden just announced that climate change is the existential threat to the planet. That's enough for me to think it's a lie.
Your milage may vary.

 

[4wanderingeyes]

 

[omicron1792]

I wish we could get the truth. There is such an agenda with global warming….i mean climate change, it’s just impossible to know.

I have two advanced degrees, one in science. I took lots of ecology classes and the professor even wrote me a letter of recommendation. I’ve read every piece of evidence I can find on the issue. I just don’t see it.

The earth is old and complex. The weathermen literally can’t tell me if it will rain today or not with any certainty. So for people to say the case is settled on long term climate trends is laughable.

I’m a big believer in protecting and improving our planet. I think I have put my money where my mouth is in that regard. I refuse to let people flying private jets all over the place dictate policy to me on an issue that clearly is tied to money.

The USA should lean into our natural resources and have energy dominance for the next 100 years. That will improve everyone’s lives. Education and lack of poverty will help our planet more than anything. We should tie the wealth we make into long term movement away from fossil fuels to renewable resources. But this should be done in a way that doesn’t destroy people’s lives and done correctly over the long term.

My two cents.

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

I wish we could get the truth. There is such an agenda with global warming….i mean climate change, it’s just impossible to know.

I have two advanced degrees, one in science. I took lots of ecology classes and the professor even wrote me a letter of recommendation. I’ve read every piece of evidence I can find on the issue. I just don’t see it.

The earth is old and complex. The weathermen literally can’t tell me if it will rain today or not with any certainty. So for people to say the case is settled on long term climate trends is laughable.

I’m a big believer in protecting and improving our planet. I think I have put my money where my mouth is in that regard. I refuse to let people flying private jets all over the place dictate policy to me on an issue that clearly is tied to money.

The USA should lean into our natural resources and have energy dominance for the next 100 years. That will improve everyone’s lives. Education and lack of poverty will help our planet more than anything. We should tie the wealth we make into long term movement away from fossil fuels to renewable resources. But this should be done in a way that doesn’t destroy people’s lives and done correctly over the long term.

My two cents.

Agree totally. I’m simply point out, within our recorded records, it’s getting warmer, faster than ever before. Anecdotally I can feel it. Summers are worse and winters are milder.
What does that mean? Who knows. I hate the heat but even if it’s manmade you can’t put the toothpaste back in the bottle. Most of this silly mandates are virtue signaling bs. You want real change, rip up asphalt and concrete and shingle roofs, destroy solar polars radiating heat back into our atmosphere and put population controls on everyone, everywhere. Obviously that ridiculous, but all these other infringement of rights are for show. Not to mention we have no idea what’s causing the warm up. Like Paris trying to ban air conditioning for the Olympic dorms. If climate change is threatening our very civilization as they say, cancel the damn Olympics because lord knows how much greenhouse gas and emissions the Olympics contribute to. Otherwise those efforts are just for show.
With all that said I’m open to science and all good science should be evolving. Hopefully we get more answers and hopefully the powers to be let those answers be heard no matter what side of the spectrum the research falls on. I have my doubts they will though.

 

[omicron1792]

Agree totally. I’m simply point out, within our recorded records, it’s getting warmer, faster than ever before. Anecdotally I can feel it. Summers are worse and winters are milder.
What does that mean? Who knows. I hate the heat but even if it’s manmade you can’t put the toothpaste back in the bottle. Most of this silly mandates are virtue signaling bs. You want real change, rip up asphalt and concrete and shingle roofs, destroy solar polars radiating heat back into our atmosphere and put population controls on everyone, everywhere. Obviously that ridiculous, but all these other infringement of rights are for show. Not to mention we have no idea what’s causing the warm up. Like Paris trying to ban air conditioning for the Olympic dorms. If climate change is threatening our very civilization as they say, cancel the damn Olympics because lord knows how much greenhouse gas and emissions the Olympics contribute to. Otherwise those efforts are just for show.
With all that said I’m open to science and all good science should be evolving. Hopefully we get more answers and hopefully the powers to be let those answers be heard no matter what side of the spectrum the research falls on. I have my doubts they will though.

Agree man. I love talking about it. You’re a good one.

 

[T-Max]

There is so much to consider on this. Every thing that has ever lived on this planet left its fingerprint on it. Everything no matter how long or brief. That being said, we can only control what we can control. I can’t help it that I choose to take my used motor oil in to be recycled and somewhere in Beijing someone is dumping theirs straight into a river. It sucks, but I can only do my part.

I’d like to have a super efficient house with solar panels on the roof and a windmill. And hopefully someday I will. We are conscious of our water use even though our neighbors fill a 1000 gallon pool even in the worst of droughts. I found some plastic baling twine in one of our fields a few years ago. That field hadn’t been baled in over 20 years and the twine looked brand new. Seems it doesn’t break down too easily. I made a decision that day to limit my use of plastics as much as possible. Can it be zero? No. But I can do my part even though there is a fish market in Japan that will produce more plastic waste in a day than I could in 10 lifetimes…

All the mandates put on us by our government will just shift the effect, it won’t eliminate it. I’m not a doomsayer, but I do think we can all do a little bit better in some aspect. I always try to do my part even if I know it isn’t really doing any good.

Basic biology would suggest the Earth has a carrying capacity. I have no idea what it might be or if we are anywhere near it. But I do know that our population isn’t going down so whatever it is, we are getting closer every day. I just think the right thing to do is make my footprint here as minimal as I can while still enjoying things. Fortunately I enjoy doing things that are a net positive. At least current understanding is they are positive.

Oh, and it does seem hotter than I remember…


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[omicron1792]

There is so much to consider on this. Every thing that has ever lived on this planet left its fingerprint on it. Everything no matter how long or brief. That being said, we can only control what we can control. I can’t help it that I choose to take my used motor oil in to be recycled and somewhere in Beijing someone is dumping theirs straight into a river. It sucks, but I can only do my part.

I’d like to have a super efficient house with solar panels on the roof and a windmill. And hopefully someday I will. We are conscious of our water use even though our neighbors fill a 1000 gallon pool even in the worst of droughts. I found some plastic baling twine in one of our fields a few years ago. That field hadn’t been baled in over 20 years and the twine looked brand new. Seems it doesn’t break down too easily. I made a decision that day to limit my use of plastics as much as possible. Can it be zero? No. But I can do my part even though there is a fish market in Japan that will produce more plastic waste in a day than I could in 10 lifetimes…

All the mandates put on us by our government will just shift the effect, it won’t eliminate it. I’m not a doomsayer, but I do think we can all do a little bit better in some aspect. I always try to do my part even if I know it isn’t really doing any good.

Basic biology would suggest the Earth has a carrying capacity. I have no idea what it might be or if we are anywhere near it. But I do know that our population isn’t going down so whatever it is, we are getting closer every day. I just think the right thing to do is make my footprint here as minimal as I can while still enjoying things. Fortunately I enjoy doing things that are a net positive. At least current understanding is they are positive.

Oh, and it does seem hotter than I remember…


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Overpopulation theory has pretty much died out. Looks like we will peak at about 10-11 billion people then start to decline. Major fear now is not having enough young people to support all the old ones.

 

[omicron1792]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/polar-bears-dead-coral-and-other-climate-fictions-528b18ea

Again. If they would call it both ways people would listen more.

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

It’s been a pretty tame summer here all things considered. Been a few rough days but mostly very average. Don’t get me wrong I’m still spending my summers in Montana when I win the lottery.

 

[Tree Spud]

Global Warming, Green Energy, etc. has nothing to do with saving the planet. It is only about a political power grab for money and to control our lives and choices we can make.

= Socialism

 

[Hoytvectrix]

Global Warming, Green Energy, etc. has nothing to do with saving the planet. It is only about a political power grab for money and to control our lives and choices we can make.

= Socialism

If this was the case, our geopolitical adversaries wouldn't also be worried about it. Small developing countries wouldn't be spending resources to study or prepare for it that would otherwise be better spent on developing their economies or raising their standard of living. Our Navy wouldn't create climate change action plans or consider it among the most important threats.

It doesn't have to be a conspiracy. For those that are doubtful that climate change is A) actually happening, and B) at least worsened by humans, genuinely ask yourselves what amount of evidence would change your mind. Ok, now how much time have you spent trying to find that amount of evidence?

There was a time when I was skeptical about humanity affecting something as large as our planet. I spent 5 years completing a PhD related to climate change - my dissertation was on soil carbon sequestration as a means for reducing atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations. I got into it more from a soil health/quality standpoint, but quickly realized that I wanted it to be a hoax and overblown, and what I wanted wasn't a reality.

 

[omicron1792]

If this was the case, our geopolitical adversaries wouldn't also be worried about it. Small developing countries wouldn't be spending resources to study or prepare for it that would otherwise be better spent on developing their economies or raising their standard of living. Our Navy wouldn't create climate change action plans or consider it among the most important threats.

It doesn't have to be a conspiracy. For those that are doubtful that climate change is A) actually happening, and B) at least worsened by humans, genuinely ask yourselves what amount of evidence would change your mind. Ok, now how much time have you spent trying to find that amount of evidence?

There was a time when I was skeptical about humanity affecting something as large as our planet. I spent 5 years completing a PhD related to climate change - my dissertation was on soil carbon sequestration as a means for reducing atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations. I got into it more from a soil health/quality standpoint, but quickly realized that I wanted it to be a hoax and overblown, and what I wanted wasn't a reality.

My man. I was in Africa recently. There was not one person there worried about climate change.

Any interest they show is forced by large nations like the USA upon them.

In South Africa the power was only on about 6-8 hours a day. They care zero about climate change and would burn every ounce of coal available just to have consistent power.

 

[Bill]

The D.E.P. Is currently doing a wetlands restoration project about 5 miles from the house I'm sitting in. The site is on the mouth of the Delaware bay and the Atlantic Ocean. I'd guess the site is about 5 foot above sea level based on me boating by it. Cost 37.5 million dollars.

Yes it's s the same DEP that says we need to raise all the houses in 60% of the county 10 foot because otherwise they will be under water with rising sea levels.

Let that sink in.

 

[Ikeman]

We bring up the clothes aspect too. The stuff we had back then was laughable. Walmart boots don’t fight the cold!

I think the clothing quality is a BIG part of that memory bias. Also, how many guys distinctly remember the comfortable sits??? I always remember the brutal ones, though!

I’m the opposite. I complain every few years that archery opener is getting hotter (often in the 90’s), and then my dad happens to stumble across an old hunting journal and proves me wrong.
“Nope, just 5 years ago it was 94° on the opener…”


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[Turkish]

If this was the case, our geopolitical adversaries wouldn't also be worried about it. Small developing countries wouldn't be spending resources to study or prepare for it that would otherwise be better spent on developing their economies or raising their standard of living. Our Navy wouldn't create climate change action plans or consider it among the most important threats.

It doesn't have to be a conspiracy. For those that are doubtful that climate change is A) actually happening, and B) at least worsened by humans, genuinely ask yourselves what amount of evidence would change your mind. Ok, now how much time have you spent trying to find that amount of evidence?

There was a time when I was skeptical about humanity affecting something as large as our planet. I spent 5 years completing a PhD related to climate change - my dissertation was on soil carbon sequestration as a means for reducing atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations. I got into it more from a soil health/quality standpoint, but quickly realized that I wanted it to be a hoax and overblown, and what I wanted wasn't a reality.

You have my attention. I’ve worked in this field a little from the standpoint of scoping carbon reductions in world scale petrochemical facilities. All I will say is that this better be an existential threat because we may well be driving ourselves to economic ruin to chase it.

I will say that I believe small developing countries are concerned with this issue only insofar as their ‘concern’ is bankrolled by the US taxpayer.

 

[Ruttin1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1809547758472167924

https://twitter.com/x/status/1808484779261571331

Here is some food for thought. I’ve never bought into the man made global warming idea. You have some tie and interest watch Climate the movie (YouTube. Lot of experts that are saying the whole hoax is unraveling.
Maybe we should be more concerned about the amount of garbage and plastics on this earth. We need a better way to deal with waste. Far more important than what the politicians want to jam down our throats.


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