I hope you are right. My take was different.
Well- imagine if the dumbasses in the last administration had said “here are ATACM’s, blow the ammo depots and staged equipment within 100 miles of your border to smithereens.”
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The loss of Russias soldiers are attributable to Putin and no one else. It was Putin that invaded Ukraine, the deaths on the Russian side are best prevented by not invading a neighboring country. I also want to make sure you know that he didn’t recruit from the “civilized” parts of Russia. He used up the men from the “ethnic” parts first. This was to maintain support in the big cities.
The deaths of civilians on the Ukrainian side are also attributed to Russia. Russia targeted civilian structures, residences and infrastructure with missiles. Killed women and children as well as the Ukrainian soldiers killed on the battlefield. It’s disgusting.
Biden screwed up. His administration prolonged the fighting, slow walking munitions as Ukraine bled and weakened our enemy with outdated munitions from our stockpiles. That’s pretty disgusting too.
We will see what happens. We better get moving. We need to replace our stockpiles of artillery and ammo. I heard we haven’t built Stingers since the 80’s or 90’s? Might just need it.
Angus 1895
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The way I look at it is as follows:
Trumps campaign was to end the war.
He is trying to end the war.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
The war been going on 4 years………
Zelenskyy shouldn’t have campaigned for democrats, he also was involved with getting Trump impeached.
Karma can be a beach.
Trumps campaign was to end the war.
He is trying to end the war.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
The war been going on 4 years………
Zelenskyy shouldn’t have campaigned for democrats, he also was involved with getting Trump impeached.
Karma can be a beach.
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Electrodigical
5 year old buck +
We could have given them to Russia to do the same. Why'd we pick a side? Because they were already "our" allies in the kickback and money laundering game dating back several administrations? I don't want to support anyone in anything based on that.
SD51555
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Yeah, I changed my mind on that one. I'm running out of yearn to discuss that. What's gonna happen over there to those people is going to happen no matter what I say.
It is. We wear ourselves out and lose friends over nonsense that is out of our control.
I don’t discuss politics anywhere but here, which is kind of weird. I care about what my shit kicking buddies think about this stuff but they get so mad about it I don’t like talking about it with them. I don’t want to lose friends over it. Hell I don’t want to lose online friends over it. Just hate to see what is going on.
I don’t discuss politics anywhere but here, which is kind of weird. I care about what my shit kicking buddies think about this stuff but they get so mad about it I don’t like talking about it with them. I don’t want to lose friends over it. Hell I don’t want to lose online friends over it. Just hate to see what is going on.
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H20fwler
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Ukraine has been one of the most corrupt countries in Europe if not the most for years.
We sent what $175B of our tax dollars over there? And now they can’t account where $100B of it went? Pffffft
Zelinski is a corrupt idiot, shows his ass yesterday in the Oval Office, then talks shit in interviews after….screw him and Ukraine.
I want our tax dollars back.
We sent what $175B of our tax dollars over there? And now they can’t account where $100B of it went? Pffffft
Zelinski is a corrupt idiot, shows his ass yesterday in the Oval Office, then talks shit in interviews after….screw him and Ukraine.
I want our tax dollars back.
I wanted to know more about our spending. I see a lot of stuff thrown around. Seems like there is some disagreement but this is what I came up with.
$119 billion in military aid. Weapons, equipment, training and intelligence support. Significant portion of that number is old stock munitions - they did us a favor killing Russians with it on their own soil. Some seem to forget that Russia is absolutely an enemy of the U.S. and have been fighting a shadow war against us for many years.
$3.4 billion in direct financial and economic aid. Thats real money. Money to stabilize their economy and keep government functions going. I have no doubt some of that money went to people it shouldn’t. Probably happens in every modern war. We are second to the European Union in spending in this category.
$1.5 billion humanitarian aid. Food, medical supplies and probably cash to take care of displaced people. Guessing there is some money going into the wrong hands but the food and medical supplies are appreciated I’m sure.
This is somewhere around 2.6% of the federal budget. Real money but again a lot of it would be old stock munitions built and replaced here in the U.S. and beans, corn, rice and meat grown by us or our neighbors and bought by the G.
I’m not saying it’s right or wrong. I’m saying I wanted to know more about what’s actually going on.
$119 billion in military aid. Weapons, equipment, training and intelligence support. Significant portion of that number is old stock munitions - they did us a favor killing Russians with it on their own soil. Some seem to forget that Russia is absolutely an enemy of the U.S. and have been fighting a shadow war against us for many years.
$3.4 billion in direct financial and economic aid. Thats real money. Money to stabilize their economy and keep government functions going. I have no doubt some of that money went to people it shouldn’t. Probably happens in every modern war. We are second to the European Union in spending in this category.
$1.5 billion humanitarian aid. Food, medical supplies and probably cash to take care of displaced people. Guessing there is some money going into the wrong hands but the food and medical supplies are appreciated I’m sure.
This is somewhere around 2.6% of the federal budget. Real money but again a lot of it would be old stock munitions built and replaced here in the U.S. and beans, corn, rice and meat grown by us or our neighbors and bought by the G.
I’m not saying it’s right or wrong. I’m saying I wanted to know more about what’s actually going on.
Howboutthemdawgs
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H20fwler
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I look at Russia a lot differently than I did years ago.
I personally don’t think they are near the threat that they were forty years ago. They are a shadow of what they used to be.
The MSM and the far left sure like to prop them up as the worst thing ever to the USA, I look at China, Iran and even N Korea as much bigger threats.
I think the largest threat to our country is our country…the corrupt DC politicians, big business interests, big pharma and the lying MSM.
I would much rather see the USA get along with Russia and get back to openly trading with them, was better for both countries. It would be stupid to ever trust Russia to much but I like what they can offer more than the Ukraine.
I personally don’t think they are near the threat that they were forty years ago. They are a shadow of what they used to be.
The MSM and the far left sure like to prop them up as the worst thing ever to the USA, I look at China, Iran and even N Korea as much bigger threats.
I think the largest threat to our country is our country…the corrupt DC politicians, big business interests, big pharma and the lying MSM.
I would much rather see the USA get along with Russia and get back to openly trading with them, was better for both countries. It would be stupid to ever trust Russia to much but I like what they can offer more than the Ukraine.
H20fwler
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Buckly
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I think what we saw yesterday is what really happens in these meetings behind closed doors, instead of everyone comes out and says it was a good constructive meeting. As Trump himself said during the exchange, I’m letting this go on so everyone sees what’s really happening. My take, Trump and I’m assuming most Americans are tired of these endless wars. I wish Trump or Vance would have just come out and asked Zelensky just how long do you want the American people to give you money. Right there in front of the cameras, tell us how long you want us giving you money and equipment. Forever is not an option for Trump. Im sure Zelensky is worn out after 3 years of this stuff but you can’t come begging and then try and dictate terms. Trump had the greatest line. Zelensky has no cards, and he’s in a high stakes poker game. The war has to end and Zelensky has to be willing to take cards from the US. He wasn’t on the same page and peace didn’t seem to be what he was here for. Just another Worldwide give me money tour. Zelenskyy is in big trouble it’s in his Country’s best interest to take the best deal available instead of no deal at all. I’m pretty sure he’ll be back expressing that once he thinks about it awhile and Europe falls short.
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Foggy47
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^. Well said. I don't understand Zelensky. What other options does he (and Ukraine) have? Maybe Europe will step up to the plate? Fine if they do....let them put some skin in the game. TANSTAAFL (There ain't no such thing as a free Lunch).
Bowsnbucks
5 year old buck +
Watch what happens with Russia and Putin with T helping them / him. Invasion of more of Europe - re-building the old Soviet Union - and then taking the rest of Europe. Repeat of 1939 and Hitler, IMO. ------- Then what??? WW3 on the way before long.
By the comments I've seen on here, some don't know their world history. And please don't post a fictional re-writing of real, actual history ....... claiming that all past factual events & knowledge is "brainwashing." That claim only materialized in the last 8 years. No Republican or Democratic administration before now has EVER sided with Russia / Putin, China / Xi Jinping, N. Korea / Kim Jung Un ............... until now.
MTG just recently questioned why / who ever said Russia was an enemy of the U.S. She thinks it's all crap. She's batsh crazy. Patton didn't think so at the end of WW II. He wanted to take Russia on right then because he could see they were the next big enemy of the U.S. and the free world.
It won't be a joke when our young people will be sent off to another world war started by Russia in Europe - to fight another war started by 2 or 3 greedy, power-hungry a$$-poles. "Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
Foggy47
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Well.....I never went into the Bank and demanded the terms of a loan with them or else. Or else what? Stupid way to try to do biz.
......and who appointed you the resident historian? In what ways is Trump "helping" Putin?
As for "never sided" with Russia.....Were not Russia and the USA fighting a war against Germany? Isn't that kinda like "Sided"?
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