sandbur
5 year old buck +
I don’t know if it is knowledge. It has mostly been just trial and error with mostly crabs at my place.
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I don’t know if it is knowledge. It has mostly been just trial and error with mostly crabs at my place.
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b116757
5 year old buck +
Yes I picked up two yellow dog’s and two big dogs’s quite a few others also. The trees I got from him last year are probably some of the best I planted last year with the exception of couple Sundance I got from Gurney’s since I couldn’t find them anywhere else, those things grow like crazy.
Tree Spud
5 year old buck +
Bowsnbucks
5 year old buck +
This timing is perfect. The Yellow Dog seedling Bur is referring to ............. I just NOW measured it again. A few weeks ago I reported here that it had grown from 51" to 54" tall. Just now I measured it again - it seemed taller ........ and it's NOW 58" tall.
I HAVE NOT fertilized it at all - it's just growing in a pot in my back yard. The potting medium is a mix of potting soil, compost, a TINY bit of sand, and a little bit of our native clayish topsoil. All mixed together ......... and no fertilizer - only water. Our days recently have been a mix of clouds and sun, temps from mid-60's to upper 70's, with a few very light rains of short duration.
That's the environment Bur's Y.D. seedling - the tallest one of his seedlings I have in pots - has been exposed to. Bottom trunk dia. is 1/2". I'd say it's a grower.
I'll add that Sandbur has been - AND IS - a top-flight, first class gentleman. Many thanks for his sharing of info, experience, pics, seeds/seedlings, .......... the whole shooting match. My personal thanks for his contributions to ME in all of the above-mentioned aspects - not the least of which is his convincing me to lean toward crabs for deer. My hat is off, Art !!!!!!!!
TreeDaddy
5 year old buck +
Knowledge comes from experience and we appreciate you sharing it
......And Sandbur is being modest
his generosity with his wealth of experience has been a treasure to us all
bill
Charles Clear
5 year old buck +
I stopped by after to work to check out this apple/crab. It’s right by an overpass. Not many falling yet but it is loaded. Going to keep my eye on it and see when it drops the majority of its apples
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DrDirtNap
5 year old buck +
We all just really appreciate you sharing your tree information and scion wood. Also appreciate you letting Ryan propagate your trees for sale so others can benefit. Means a lot for us in our habitat efforts.
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sandbur
5 year old buck +
There are some interesting comments from Lois in this thread if anyone wants to look it up. It is from 2014. I think the thread was titled Zone 3 Apple Tree Recommendations for Deer.
She discussed B118 and dolgo rootstock. She also says that Willamette Valley was providing clinal dolgo while other use dolgo seedlings.
She also felt B118 was good for wildlife . My B118’s had their first fruit this year. Not a heavy crop and the trees were quite old before bearing fruit.
Maybe someone has a better way to copy the link.
She also discussed pear rootstock for deer.
Some of us have been around here a long time! We even go back to the previous QDMA forum before they shut it down.
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sandbur
5 year old buck +
Lois suggests that deer prefer apples over crabs. That has not been my experience, but I have mostly crabs.
I feel the crabs are more bite sized. It may be a preference thing that develops after repeated exposure to one or the other. Perhaps like some deer adjusting to turnips.
I still feel that crabs are easier to grow in my climate.
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I feel the crabs are more bite sized. It may be a preference thing that develops after repeated exposure to one or the other. Perhaps like some deer adjusting to turnips.
I still feel that crabs are easier to grow in my climate.
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Bowsnbucks
5 year old buck +
In regard to Lois' info & her opinion that deer will go after "people apples" first over crab apples - could it be because "people apples" are bred for sweetness?? Crabs are GENERALLY more tart than "people apples" - so could that be the source of her experiences??
In my experience - here - deer go for both crabs and "people apples." However, deer do seem to have preferences for certain apples over other ones - for whatever reason. As long as they're coming to the trees, I don't worry about their preferences too much.
As for B-118 rootstocks - in our soil, some of the B-118 trees are leaning .......... though not all. Don't know why some lean and others don't.
In my experience - here - deer go for both crabs and "people apples." However, deer do seem to have preferences for certain apples over other ones - for whatever reason. As long as they're coming to the trees, I don't worry about their preferences too much.
As for B-118 rootstocks - in our soil, some of the B-118 trees are leaning .......... though not all. Don't know why some lean and others don't.
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sandbur
5 year old buck +
I think we have a false Jonsib here. My buddy and I both received scion from GRIN and now have a similar apple that doesn’t match the description, but matches their picture.
I have three of these apples on a limb on a flowering crab. I had to work hard to pull it off, so it appears to be a late dropper. There is no sign of disease. It is very juicy, crisp, and somewhat acid. It was at early watercore. I think this would make a great cooking apple, as well as an addition to cider.
I left the other two apples to evaluate drop time. This year is an oddity with drop times, probably due to drought and heat.
So , this must be a GRIN Jonsib.
Does anyone have a picture of Jonsib?
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sandbur
5 year old buck +
I think we have a false Jonsib here. My buddy and I both received scion from GRIN and now have a similar apple that doesn’t match the description, but matches their picture.
I have three of these apples on a limb on a flowering crab. I had to work hard to pull it off, so it appears to be a late dropper. There is no sign of disease. It is very juicy, crisp, and somewhat acid. It was at early watercore. I think this would make a great cooking apple, as well as an addition to cider.
I left the other two apples to evaluate drop time. This year is an oddity with drop times, probably due to drought and heat.
So , this must be a GRIN Jonsib.
Does anyone have a picture of Jonsib?
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Nice white flesh and crispy on the ‘ :) ‘Jonsib’.
I think the GRIN website says apple size is 45mm, but then shows a picture of an apple at 7cm.
sandbur
5 year old buck +
I am not real good at describing these tastes.
I like crab apples, and for my tastes, Big Dog is inedible. It is very hard. I have thrown a few in a cider blend. I would recommend it only for the deer. Because it is so hard, I feel it lasts longer through the winter before getting mushy. I will add, in my climate.
I can eat Buckman and have also used it in cider. Tart for sure and too tart for many people.
For an eating crab, there are better choices. Chestnut crab and Kerr.
Trailman Crab was exceptionally good this year, but it is an early crab.
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Tree Spud
5 year old buck +
Current picture of Big Dog.
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How old is that tree?
What size are the crab apples?
I have multiple Big Dogs coming next spring so excited to see that pic.
sandbur
5 year old buck +
The apples are about 1 3/4 inches long.
Big Dog grew from the roots of a tree that was here when we bought the farm, about 35 years ago. I suspect it is a rootstock crab as I have seen it under a red splendor crab.
It seems like the rabbits and deer got it once after the top died, then I protected the next regrowth for a few years until it got bigger.
I hope Big Dog works for you, especially if you ordered a bunch of them. Different climates/soils might give different results.
My suspicion is that it is some sort of Columbia Crab seedling.
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