“Blending the Blends” is ChatGTP an agronomist?

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I have a lot of dumb questions bouncing around my head that I try to keep to myself, lol. I have been recently wondering about the feasibility of “blending the blends”, and what I mean by that is can I kick up the beneficial insect appeal by adding Green Covers pollinator mix to summer release or maybe add it to summer soil builder mix. I know they design their blends so the seeds have a synergistic affect on each other and messing with that could have unintended consequences. I also know that I don’t want to ask my absolutely goofy questions directly to Greencover, they have enough people asking legit questions without me asking hypothetical nonsense.

This morning I decided I would ask these burning questions of noted agronomist ChatGPT. I thought I would post a couple of the questions and responses here and just see what you all think. Here we go!

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Question: I am considering mixing two green cover seed mixes. is green cover summer soil builder mix compatible with the pollinator mix and at what seeding rate

Answer: Yes, Green Cover’s Summer Soil Builder Mix and the Pollinator Mix can be compatible, but the ideal seeding rate depends on your goals. Here’s a breakdown:

Compatibility Considerations
1. Growth Habit & Competition:
• The Summer Soil Builder Mix is designed for soil health improvement and includes species like cowpeas, sorghum-sudangrass, buckwheat, and sunflowers, which can grow aggressively.
• The Pollinator Mix consists of nectar-producing plants like clovers, phacelia, and wildflowers, which may be slower-growing and need space to establish.
• To prevent the Summer Soil Builder species from overwhelming the pollinators, adjust the seeding rates accordingly.
2. Timing & Climate:
• Both mixes contain warm-season species, making them suitable for summer planting.
• If your main goal is pollinators, reducing the more aggressive species in the Soil Builder Mix (like sorghum-sudangrass) can help balance competition.

Recommended Seeding Rates
• Summer Soil Builder Mix Full Rate: ~30–50 lbs/acre
• Pollinator Mix Full Rate: ~8–12 lbs/acre

Blended Seeding Rate Options
1. Balanced Approach (50/50 mix)
• 15–25 lbs/acre of Summer Soil Builder
• 4–6 lbs/acre of Pollinator Mix
• This allows for good soil-building and pollinator-friendly species without excessive competition.
2. Pollinator-Focused (Higher Pollinators, Lower Soil Builder)
• 10–15 lbs/acre of Summer Soil Builder
• 6–10 lbs/acre of Pollinator Mix
• This option prioritizes flowers and nectar sources while still benefiting from soil-building species.
3. Soil Health Focus (More Summer Soil Builder, Fewer Pollinators)
• 25–35 lbs/acre of Summer Soil Builder
• 2–4 lbs/acre of Pollinator Mix
• This prioritizes biomass and nitrogen fixation while still offering some pollinator benefits.

Additional Tips
• Consider Row Spacing: If broadcasting, a balanced seeding rate works well, but if drilling, wider spacing (e.g., 7-10 inches) may help pollinator plants establish.
• Mow or Grazing Timing: If incorporating livestock or mowing for residue management, ensure you don’t cut before pollinators have had time to bloom.
• Adjust by Region & Soil Type: In drier or sandy soils, lower seeding rates may be better to reduce competition for water.

Would you like help customizing based on your specific location and goals?

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Question: I am considering mixing two green cover seed mixes. is green cover summer release mix compatible with the pollinator mix and at what seeding rate

Answer: Yes, Green Cover’s Summer Release Mix and the Pollinator Mix can be compatible, but adjustments in seeding rates will help balance competition between the two.

Compatibility Considerations
1. Growth Habits & Competition
• The Summer Release Mix is designed for regenerative soil health with diverse species, including cowpeas, sunflowers, buckwheat, sorghum-sudangrass, and millets, which can be aggressive growers.
• The Pollinator Mix includes flowers and nectar-producing species like clovers, phacelia, and wildflowers, which can take longer to establish.
• Without adjustments, species like sorghum-sudangrass and millet may outcompete the pollinator plants, so careful rate balancing is key.
2. Timing & Climate Suitability
• Both mixes contain warm-season species, making them compatible for summer planting.
• If the primary goal is supporting pollinators, reducing high-biomass species (e.g., sorghum-sudangrass) will help prevent them from overshadowing flowering plants.

Recommended Seeding Rates
• Summer Release Mix Full Rate: ~30–50 lbs/acre
• Pollinator Mix Full Rate: ~8–12 lbs/acre

Blended Seeding Rate Options
1. Balanced Approach (50/50 mix)
• 15–25 lbs/acre of Summer Release Mix
• 4–6 lbs/acre of Pollinator Mix
• Maintains a good mix of soil health and pollinator species without excessive competition.
2. Pollinator-Focused (Higher Pollinators, Lower Summer Release Mix)
• 10–15 lbs/acre of Summer Release Mix
• 6–10 lbs/acre of Pollinator Mix
• This option prioritizes flowering species while still benefiting from the soil-enhancing components.
3. Soil Health Focus (More Summer Release Mix, Less Pollinators)
• 25–35 lbs/acre of Summer Release Mix
• 2–4 lbs/acre of Pollinator Mix
• Focuses on biomass production and nitrogen fixation while still including some pollinator-friendly plants.

Additional Tips
• Spacing Adjustments:
• If broadcasting, a balanced mix works well.
• If drilling, wider row spacing (e.g., 7–10 inches) can help pollinator species establish.
• Manage Competition:
• Mowing or grazing at a high level early can suppress aggressive species and encourage flowers to bloom.
• Soil & Climate Considerations:
• In dry or sandy soils, lower seeding rates will reduce competition for moisture.
• In wetter, fertile soils, slightly increasing the pollinator mix can improve floral diversity.

Would you like help fine-tuning based on your location, soil type, or specific goals?

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I added a couple things to my last search. I gave it my USDA zone and told it what I plant with. The main change in the information is it gave me planting timeframe advice.

Question: I am in USDA Zone 5. Any planting will be done with a Woods PSS84 seeder. I am considering mixing two green cover seed mixes. is green cover summer release mix compatible with the game bird mix and at what seeding rate.

Answer: Yes, Green Cover’s Summer Release Mix and Game Bird Mix are compatible, but the seeding rates should be adjusted for optimal balance.

Compatibility Considerations
1. Growth Habits & Competition
• The Summer Release Mix is designed for soil health and includes species like cowpeas, sunflowers, buckwheat, sorghum-sudangrass, and millet, which provide good biomass but can be aggressive.
• The Game Bird Mix includes grains and flowering plants like millets, sorghum, sunflowers, and legumes, which overlap with Summer Release but also add more targeted wildlife benefits.
• The shared species (e.g., sunflowers, millet, sorghum) make them naturally compatible, but adjusting seeding rates will prevent excessive competition.
2. Goals (Soil Health vs. Wildlife Habitat)
• For Soil Health Focus: More Summer Release Mix to boost nitrogen fixation, organic matter, and weed suppression.
• For Game Birds & Wildlife: A higher percentage of Game Bird Mix ensures better cover, food sources, and habitat.
3. Seeding Considerations for USDA Zone 5
• Warm-season species like millet and sorghum will perform well if planted after soil temps reach 60°F (typically late May–early June).
• Using your Woods PSS84 Seeder, you can achieve better establishment with consistent depth placement, preventing seed competition.

Recommended Seeding Rates
• Summer Release Mix Full Rate: ~30–50 lbs/acre
• Game Bird Mix Full Rate: ~25–40 lbs/acre

Blended Seeding Rate Options
1. Balanced Approach (Even Mix)
• 15–25 lbs/acre of Summer Release Mix
• 12–20 lbs/acre of Game Bird Mix
• Provides good soil health benefits while maintaining strong game bird habitat.
2. Wildlife-Focused (More Game Bird Mix)
• 10–20 lbs/acre of Summer Release Mix
• 20–35 lbs/acre of Game Bird Mix
• Prioritizes food and cover for birds while still supporting soil health.
3. Soil Health Focus (More Summer Release Mix)
• 25–35 lbs/acre of Summer Release Mix
• 10–15 lbs/acre of Game Bird Mix
• Prioritizes biomass, nitrogen fixation, and erosion control while still providing some wildlife benefits.

Additional Tips for USDA Zone 5 & Woods PSS84 Seeder
• Seeding Depths:
• Sorghum & millet: ¼–½ inch deep
• Sunflowers & cowpeas: ½–1 inch deep
• Your Woods PSS84 Seeder should handle these well, but ensure calibration for different seed sizes.
• Timing:
• Plant after last frost (typically late May–early June).
• If aiming for game bird attraction in fall, planting in early to mid-June will ensure seed production by late summer.
• Row Spacing:
• Keep 7–10 inch row spacing to allow for wildlife movement while maintaining good ground cover.

Would you like specific adjustments based on your land’s conditions or wildlife goals?

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Thought you all might enjoy this. Let me know what you think about this.
 
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Here's my thoughts on the matter. I work in tech and am very familiar with what LLM AI's do. The answer, while impressive, doesn't really factor in specific knowledge, in my opinion. In short, sure, you can plant it, and ratios aren't particularly hard to figure out. What I think is missing is this. The Summer mix is an annual. The pollinator mix is a perennial. It doesn't take into consideration what only planting a half rate of pollinator mix with do for long term establishment of the crop/plot/species. Do you plan to leave the plot as only pollinator the following year? What's going to happen with a half rate planting? If you only want the pollinator stuff to be an annual, how will it perform in the short term? Will the perennial species establish quickly?
 
My only input is I give AI answers no value. I was searching for something yesterday and Google's AI answer at the top was so wrong as to be comical.
 
Here's my thoughts on the matter. I work in tech and am very familiar with what LLM AI's do. The answer, while impressive, doesn't really factor in specific knowledge, in my opinion. In short, sure, you can plant it, and ratios aren't particularly hard to figure out. What I think is missing is this. The Summer mix is an annual. The pollinator mix is a perennial. It doesn't take into consideration what only planting a half rate of pollinator mix with do for long term establishment of the crop/plot/species. Do you plan to leave the plot as only pollinator the following year? What's going to happen with a half rate planting? If you only want the pollinator stuff to be an annual, how will it perform in the short term? Will the perennial species establish quickly?
I didn’t even realize that the pollinator is a perennial.

It seems like it is getting all of its info from the green cover site just by the language that it uses?
 
My only input is I give AI answers no value. I was searching for something yesterday and Google's AI answer at the top was so wrong as to be comical.
Heard a report this morning that deepseek is wrong or unable to answer 84% of the time and our best AI so far is wrong 62% of the time. That's the best it can do currently.
 
If the report was done with AI it's most likely wrong. What a world we're living in!
 
I didn’t even realize that the pollinator is a perennial.

It seems like it is getting all of its info from the green cover site just by the language that it uses?
I didn't look close enough, but there are several pollinator mixes. It looks like the cool and warm season mixes are mostly annuals, although some will reseed. There's a perennial mix, by name, which is what my quick reply referenced. I still believe that the response isn't incorrect, but doesn't fully evaluate all considerations. ;P
 
I for one think it’s pretty cool. I use chatGPT all the time for farm related questions.
 
I thought we were gonna have a talk about the art of figuring blends.


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From deepseek to seed blends. Loll. Let's rename this post
 
Just wanted to point out that I kinda posted this for fun.

I do use ChatGTP for work- it does very helpful legal summaries and it saves me a lot of work processing spread sheets. I’m not sure what I think of it- if you can put accurate info in it and give it very specific instructions it can be pretty helpful.
 
DeepSeek is stolen Chinese junk. I will never use it.
 
I tried to use a cursive reading transcription program (was looking at old deeds and couldn’t read some of the bearings from before 1900..I can read cursive just fine but the paper it had been copied into was just really faint) and I got back a transcription report with a bunch of zeroes and nonsense..so much for helping me out haha
 
In the interest of science, now go ask Greencover and see what they say. Like what has already been pointed out, you need to think long-term while ChatGPT is thinking short term and providing you an answer. ChatGPT is saying yes it can be done, but the reality is that it might not be the best way to do it. ChatGPT is great, but it does have limitations.
 
In the interest of science, now go ask Greencover and see what they say. Like what has already been pointed out, you need to think long-term while ChatGPT is thinking short term and providing you an answer. ChatGPT is saying yes it can be done, but the reality is that it might not be the best way to do it. ChatGPT is great, but it does have limitations.
agree...... I use ChatSD51555 for my seed choice/mix recommendations

bill
 
In the interest of science, now go ask Greencover and see what they say.

Oh man, can you imagine being a serious seed company and having to answer something like that lol!

It would be like “Hey can you settle a bet for me…”
 
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