Tipping a guide...Not to be confused with cow tipping!

[Brian662]

I sympathize with those who have guides/outfitters running operations around their own private property. I think it's 100% a state's rights issue, but my stance is i don't want my state having anymore input on what I can/can't do on my land without my authorization.

 

[Telemark]

I sympathize with those who have guides/outfitters running operations around their own private property. I think it's 100% a state's rights issue, but my stance is i don't want my state having anymore input on what I can/can't do on my land without my authorization.

The problem is that it applies to everyone. Would you be ok with your neighbor turning his property into a waste dump, as long as none of the trash blew over onto your property? I sure wouldn't. There has to be some regulation to prevent people from negatively affecting others to an unreasonable degree. I would argue that the way "outfitting" and deer farming are done in Ohio is exploitative of natural resources and generally detrimental to the health of wildlife and the public good. It's not a huge deal for me, and it's certainly not a hill I'd die on.

I'll concede that I don't have much of an opinion on how they do things elsewhere, as I don't know much about it.

 

[Baker]

On the subject of tipping....I have always been a generous tipper. From restaurants to guided hunts I tip above what is expected. Only in the very rare circumstance where behavior is bad , rude whatever do I not tip. That hardly ever happens. I generally believe the tip financially means a lot to the recipient and doesn't change my lifestyle at all. I like being generous ." Life's been good to me so far..."

 

[Brian662]

The problem is that it applies to everyone. Would you be ok with your neighbor turning his property into a waste dump, as long as none of the trash blew over onto your property? I sure wouldn't. There has to be some regulation to prevent people from negatively affecting others to an unreasonable degree. I would argue that the way "outfitting" and deer farming are done in Ohio is exploitative of natural resources and generally detrimental to the health of wildlife and the public good. It's not a huge deal for me, and it's certainly not a hill I'd die on.

I'll concede that I don't have much of an opinion on how they do things elsewhere, as I don't know much about it.

There are all kinds of things I would prefer my neighbor not do on his land, but I don’t feel/want that stuff to be legislated any further than it already is.
Everyone here likely agrees some level of legislation is required to keep a civilized society and we probably all agree that most states have already gone too far.

 

[roymunson]

I don't mind leasing. It's the subleasing that bugs me. It gives too much power to people with a lot of money. Imagine if someone did that with housing. If Blackrock came in and leased up all the rentals and then drove up prices. Secondary markets are very dangerous, as they allow the primary markets to be heavily manipulated.

I understand and respect your opinion regarding guiding on public land. However, I disagree.

Coming across very progressive over there. Neighbors turning their property that they paid for, that they pay the tax on, into a crap hole or an eyesore is their perogative. I have a neighbor that bought land and built right behind my house. Totally took away our view and privacy. But I can't be mad, if I didn't like it, I shoulda bought it. Too many people are minding everyone else's business.

That liberal "brother's keeper" BS is a problem. I'm sure I'm not enlightened and that Europe has been doing this for a while, but forgive me if I don't aspire to that mindset. Respectfully, don't worry about my side of the fence.

 

[Brian662]

Coming across very progressive over there. Neighbors turning their property that they paid for, that they pay the tax on, into a crap hole or an eyesore is their perogative. I have a neighbor that bought land and built right behind my house. Totally took away our view and privacy. But I can't be mad, if I didn't like it, I shoulda bought it. Too many people are minding everyone else's business.

That liberal "brother's keeper" BS is a problem. I'm sure I'm not enlightened and that Europe has been doing this for a while, but forgive me if I don't aspire to that mindset. Respectfully, don't worry about my side of the fence.

 

[Telemark]

On the subject of tipping....I have always been a generous tipper. From restaurants to guided hunts I tip above what is expected. Only in the very rare circumstance where behavior is bad , rude whatever do I not tip. That hardly ever happens. I generally believe the tip financially means a lot to the recipient and doesn't change my lifestyle at all. I like being generous ." Life's been good to me so far..."

I wish I could afford to be like that. I tip in the US because it's expected. Norway is just too expensive to splash out any more than necessary. I did tip the bartender at the airport almost $3 on a beer, because that certainly won't affect my lifestyle. But holy cow, I could not afford to eat out often in the US or go on guided hunts.

 

[Telemark]

Neighbors turning their property that they paid for, that they pay the tax on, into a crap hole or an eyesore is their perogative.

It's really not. If you let your property get out of hand, the municipality will likely come in and sort out whatever the issues are and add the cost to your tax bill. I had to pay a lot of money when tenants didn't mow their lawn or clean up their yard. It's not even a liberal attitude, it's the status quo.

That liberal "brother's keeper" BS is a problem. I'm sure I'm not enlightened and that Europe has been doing this for a while, but forgive me if I don't aspire to that mindset. Respectfully, don't worry about my side of the fence.

I don't think it falls under "brother's keeper." I'm not saying anyone should pay to maintain someone else's property. I'm saying there are reasonable limits to behavior. I think everyone agrees on this. I don't care what style my neighbor builds his house, or what color he paints it. But I do care if he turns a residential property into a garbage dump or NAMBLA meeting center.

 

[jsasker007]

Good fences make good neighbors.

 

[roymunson]

It's really not. If you let your property get out of hand, the municipality will likely come in and sort out whatever the issues are and add the cost to your tax bill. I had to pay a lot of money when tenants didn't mow their lawn or clean up their yard. It's not even a liberal attitude, it's the status quo.




I don't think it falls under "brother's keeper." I'm not saying anyone should pay to maintain someone else's property. I'm saying there are reasonable limits to behavior. I think everyone agrees on this. I don't care what style my neighbor builds his house, or what color he paints it. But I do care if he turns a residential property into a garbage dump or NAMBLA meeting center.

I couldn't disagree more. I want to be a good neighbor because it's the moral thing to do. But I'm not going to dictate what the neighbors do on land they paid for. I didn't like the neighbor and all his vietnam buddies hunting with flintlocks 2 weeks ago because it adversely affected my deer hunting. Same principal as what you're ascribing to.

you're version of "reasonable" and mine may be very different. I'm not obligated to buy into your version. It's subjective.



That's just my opinion and it's worth what you paid for it.

 

[Telemark]

I couldn't disagree more. I want to be a good neighbor because it's the moral thing to do. But I'm not going to dictate what the neighbors do on land they paid for. I didn't like the neighbor and all his vietnam buddies hunting with flintlocks 2 weeks ago because it adversely affected my deer hunting. Same principal as what you're ascribing to.

you're version of "reasonable" and mine may be very different. I'm not obligated to buy into your version. It's subjective.



That's just my opinion and it's worth what you paid for it.

It's not the same at all. A more accurate comparison would be if your neighbor blasted music all night and kept you awake. Or your neighbor opened a commercial garbage dump on his property, and your property became overrun with rats and mosquitos. That's generally not allowed, and there is a good reason for that.

We definitely disagree on what is reasonable. But I think in your heart of hearts you do believe in some degree of regulation.

I'm just expressing my opinion as well. I'm not even saying my opinion is better than yours. I have a different life experience than you, and mine has led me to the opinion that my right to enjoy my property is sacred, and my tolerance for neighbors negatively affecting my life is probably less than yours.

 

[roymunson]

my tolerance for neighbors negatively affecting my life is probably less than yours.

I think there in lies the rub. You're idea of reasonability and enjoying your property, even at the expense of others enjoying their property, trumps all.

The legislation lies in zoning, etc, I get that.

Everyone wants a garbage dump or a sewer plant, just not in their back yard. But couldn't give 2 rips if it's in someone else's back yard.

 

[Telemark]

I think there in lies the rub. You're idea of reasonability and enjoying your property, even at the expense of others enjoying their property, trumps all.

The legislation lies in zoning, etc, I get that.

Everyone wants a garbage dump or a sewer plant, just not in their back yard. But couldn't give 2 rips if it's in someone else's back yard.

I don't consider a commercial garbage dump to be a reasonable way to "enjoy" a property. I consider it "exploitative ... generally detrimental to the health of wildlife and the public good", which was my specific reason for not liking the subleasing outfitters do in Ohio.

I don't want the garbage dump or the waste water treatment plant in anyone's backyard. I want it as far away as reasonably possible from everyone's homes, and managed in a way that does not affect the surrounding nature.

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

If it’s the states game then your actions affect me as a neighbor. So being an outfitter should come with major stipulations. Take turkeys for instance. Kentucky is a 2 bird limit. So my neighbor gets a 21 day revolving door of idiots with 2 tags to burn. Our resource cannot handle the regular neighbors killing two birds per property let alone clients. And turkeys aren’t hard to kill so if they put in a little time they will be successful. The resource suffers due to them wanting to make money. It’s bs.
To that point I have been in contact with the state about this topic and they did take it seriously and have proposed some checks with regards to this.

 

[roymunson]

I don't consider a commercial garbage dump to be a reasonable way to "enjoy" a property. I consider it "exploitative ... generally detrimental to the health of wildlife and the public good", which was my specific reason for not liking the subleasing outfitters do in Ohio.

I don't want the garbage dump or the waste water treatment plant in anyone's backyard. I want it as far away as reasonably possible from everyone's homes, and managed in a way that does not affect the surrounding nature.

But you see, if you slam one of these landfills out in the middle of nowhere, it's in SOMEONE's back yard. So they're just SOL?

You have to have a sewer plant to take care of the wastewater that is being produced. But no one wants it by them. Even though they produce part of the problem.
It's akin to buying your meat at the store because you didn't see the cow get killed.

We're not gonna agree with each other on this. And there is a line somewhere. It's just a subjective line that I don't like or trust the government and their flawed agendas to solve.

 

[roymunson]

As for tipping a guide, if they do a good job, take care of them.

 

[Telemark]

But you see, if you slam one of these landfills out in the middle of nowhere, it's in SOMEONE's back yard. So they're just SOL?

It doesn't necessarily have to be in someone's back yard, and it shouldn't be.

You have to have a sewer plant to take care of the wastewater that is being produced. But no one wants it by them.

I have always had a septic tank. It's in my yard. So is the tile mound. I would not want to live near a waste water treatment facility, so I choose not to. It should not be permitted to build a new one near me.

We're not gonna agree with each other on this. And there is a line somewhere. It's just a subjective line that I don't like or trust the government and their flawed agendas to solve.

The great thing about local government is that it's as close to the actual voters as you can get, and it can be tailor-made to suit the locals and diverse across different communities. I tried to be specific about my feelings applying specifically to Ohio, and concede i didn't have much of an opinion about other places.

I don't expect everyone to agree with me. I'm just expressing my opinion and doing my best to explain and defend it. To be honest, I'm really distracted and jet-lagged this evening, so I might not be doing a great job of it.

 

[Telemark]

If it’s the states game then your actions affect me as a neighbor. So being an outfitter should come with major stipulations. Take turkeys for instance. Kentucky is a 2 bird limit. So my neighbor gets a 21 day revolving door of idiots with 2 tags to burn. Our resource cannot handle the regular neighbors killing two birds per property let alone clients. And turkeys aren’t hard to kill so if they put in a little time they will be successful. The resource suffers due to them wanting to make money. It’s bs.
To that point I have been in contact with the state about this topic and they did take it seriously and have proposed some checks with regards to this.

This is a good example of what I was trying to express.

 

[Brian662]

If it’s the states game then your actions affect me as a neighbor. So being an outfitter should come with major stipulations. Take turkeys for instance. Kentucky is a 2 bird limit. So my neighbor gets a 21 day revolving door of idiots with 2 tags to burn. Our resource cannot handle the regular neighbors killing two birds per property let alone clients. And turkeys aren’t hard to kill so if they put in a little time they will be successful. The resource suffers due to them wanting to make money. It’s bs.
To that point I have been in contact with the state about this topic and they did take it seriously and have proposed some checks with regards to this.

What if I bought next to you and my 10 kids and I shot those turkeys instead of someone paying to do it?
Everything is the same in regards to the resource but no money changed hands and it was all done legally. Who would you be mad at?

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

What if I bought next to you and my 10 kids and I shot those turkeys instead of someone paying to do it?
Everything is the same in regards to the resource but no money changed hands and it was all done legally. Who would you be mad at?

You but there is a distinction. You are playing a what if I’m dealing with a reality. An outfitter is a business. A business that profits off of taking the states game. You as my neighbor would just be a guy who makes bad decisions and there’s nothing that can be done as long as everything is legal. A business is a different ball of wax. Their entire existence revolves around hunters taking of game in exchange for money. The state has leverage in that situation and they should use it when it affects the ecosystem.