Our Soil Sample Results

[SD51555]

Here they are...

Some thoughts:

*I wonder if they skipped the buffer because the pH levels were good where they were?
*Is it possible to have zero hydrogen in the soil?

The plot we started last year.


The expansion of the plot above


The new plot to the north

 

[wiscwhip]

*Is it possible to have zero hydrogen in the soil?

I doubt it very much since H ions are entered into the soil through both atmospheric processes and the "breakdown" of H2O ions in the soil.

 

[SD51555]

Where is MoSeedSeller? Isn't he a wonk when it comes to this stuff?

 

[SD51555]

I think I may have figured it out. The actual video is below this screenshot.

 

[wiscwhip]

;)See post #15 in phil's soil test thread.:)

 

[SD51555]

If I'm reading all this right then, it looks like I should get some ammonium sulfate on ahead of planting (to reduce risk of seed injury), perhaps right after spraying. This would bring with it the sulfur my test is calling for. With a CEC of 8, I can't use more than 80lbs N at a time anyway.

So...

Old plot: 1/6th acre
Expansion: 1/10th acre
North: 1/8th acre

I'm planning for one shot of AMS to deliver some starter nitrogen and sulfur. If AMS is 21-0-0-24, that means I should be using:

Expansion: 12 lbs AMS at burn down, (gives me 26lbs N/ac 30lbs S/ac), 16 lbs Urea 30-40 days after emergence.
North: 16 lbs AMS at burn down, (26lbs N/ac 30lbs S/ac), 21 lbs Urea 30-40 days after emergence.
Old Plot: 3lbs sulfur before we harrow the surface at planting.

I've got a fertilizer plant south of me a few miles. I'm going to call them tomorrow and see if I can get my hands on a few buckets of Agrotain-treated Urea. That'd about make it fool proof I think.

Am I missing anything?

 

[BuckSutherland]

Dont be a fool and use urea. Just stick with 100% AMS. AMS feeds soil microbes unlike urea. With AMS you can just broadcast and leave laying on the ground. Rain will take care of the rest. Urea even with agrotain will only have about 8-10 days to hook a rain depending on air temperature. And I am sure the coop will be annoyed with your call anyway. They arent gonna have a guy go out in the back with a 5 gallon pale and a stick to stir your pint of agrotain into your urea.

 

[SD51555]

If we only use AMS, we're only going to get on 1/5th of the nitrogen needed and the right amount of sulfur, or the right amount of nitrogen and 5 times the sulfur.

 

[BuckSutherland]

If we only use AMS, we're only going to get on 1/5th of the nitrogen needed and the right amount of sulfur, or the right amount of nitrogen and 5 times the sulfur.

whats you point?? you want to just do the minimum S?? Or do you want to put a little more and make sure there is enough and get the extra N and the reduced pain in the ass of Urea.


We are talking a couple of dollars difference and hopefully you will bank a little extra S into the soil in the mean time.


and I think your math is wrong.

AMS 21% N
UREA 46% N

My polish math tells me that's not 1/5


If you need 125# acre N then you need 595# AMS
If you need 125# acre N then you need 271# Urea and you get no S and have to pay for agrotain and still need water to incorporate it.


Urea $475/ton
AMS $350/ ton


AMS $104/ acre
Urea+ AMS+ Agrotain is approximately $75-80/ acre + the humiliation of the coop guy laughing at you.

 

[BuckSutherland]

And since your not close to an acre we are talking about 10 or 15 dollars. Probably a lot less than you try to spend taking fat chicks home from the bar on a wed night.