Thanks for all the replies. Old thatch was so heavy that I brush hogged twice and then took a 6ft tiller to it. My drill is at another location and not close at all. Didn't think with the extremely heavy ground thatch that I could get a good germination without some tillage. I am going to try some different seeding applications. Going to broadcast some oats and clover to a couple of strips, to become LC rye mix and brassica mix in Aug. Also going to do a couple strips of pumpkins. Couple of strips of EW for screen. Probably wait for the next shot of green growth, give another lite dose of gly and try the broadcasting. Hoping this will be the only year for spraying and tilling. I have some untreated yet that I can try without spray or tillage to see if I was wrong.