What are signs of CWD?BSE... first identified in the mid-to-late 1980s. By 2019, a total of 232 people WORLDWIDE had succumbed to variant CJD, the human spongiform encephalopathy attributed to the BSE agent (whether it's a prion or a spiroplasma is still up in the air for me). 232 people. 232... Worldwide... over a 35 yr period. That's about how many folks were murdered in Washington DC last year; about one-third the murder rate in Chicago last year.
Almost every study I've seen showing CWD being able to infect non-cervid species was conducted by injecting CWD-positive brain material intracerebrally - into the brain - of whatever 'target' species the researchers were working with (cattle, raccoons, etc.). Not a natural route of exposure.
Would I eat a deer exhibiting clinical signs of CWD? No.
Will I continue to eat venison from outwardly healthy deer? You betcha.
I was deboning virtually all cuts of meat and removing all lymph nodes, nerves, and most fat, long before I ever heard of CWD. Never ate brain, spinal cord, or spleen.
KY finally confirmed a case in far western KY this past year. We'll see how KDFWR responds...
Herd eradication and repopulation? It is to laugh.
I saw a presentation about Michigan's bovine TB response, 20 years ago. There was a 160 acre high-fenced captive cervid operation with TB in the herd. It took a year and a half to finally find and kill every deer in the enclosure. They ended up having to capture, radio-collar, and release some 'Judas' deer to help them find those that were hiding out.
Total depopulation of a wild, free-ranging population... impossible.
Stakeholders nearby that don't like deer.What are signs of CWD?
What They're Not Telling You About CWD
Scientists found through their research that CWD is no different than a well-known disease that affects sheep that was passed to cervids.www.deeranddeerhunting.com
What They're Not Telling You About CWD
Scientists found through their research that CWD is no different than a well-known disease that affects sheep that was passed to cervids.www.deeranddeerhunting.com
I'm not sure if you saw the recent report of two men dieing from CJD who also happened to have been consuming deer in a CWD area:BSE... first identified in the mid-to-late 1980s. By 2019, a total of 232 people WORLDWIDE had succumbed to variant CJD, the human spongiform encephalopathy attributed to the BSE agent (whether it's a prion or a spiroplasma is still up in the air for me). 232 people. 232... Worldwide... over a 35 yr period. That's about how many folks were murdered in Washington DC last year; about one-third the murder rate in Chicago last year.
Almost every study I've seen showing CWD being able to infect non-cervid species was conducted by injecting CWD-positive brain material intracerebrally - into the brain - of whatever 'target' species the researchers were working with (cattle, raccoons, etc.). Not a natural route of exposure.
Would I eat a deer exhibiting clinical signs of CWD? No.
Will I continue to eat venison from outwardly healthy deer? You betcha.
I was deboning virtually all cuts of meat and removing all lymph nodes, nerves, and most fat, long before I ever heard of CWD. Never ate brain, spinal cord, or spleen.
KY finally confirmed a case in far western KY this past year. We'll see how KDFWR responds...
Herd eradication and repopulation? It is to laugh.
I saw a presentation about Michigan's bovine TB response, 20 years ago. There was a 160 acre high-fenced captive cervid operation with TB in the herd. It took a year and a half to finally find and kill every deer in the enclosure. They ended up having to capture, radio-collar, and release some 'Judas' deer to help them find those that were hiding out.
Total depopulation of a wild, free-ranging population... impossible.
Maybe this is nothing, but it's titled "Two Hunters from the Same Lodge".... what exactly does that even mean? All it said in the report is that they're friends. Are they in a Masonic Lodge? Just seems they're trying really hard to make something out of a coincidence.I'm not sure if you saw the recent report of two men dieing from CJD who also happened to have been consuming deer in a CWD area:
There is still no smoking gun for a causal link between CWD and CJD, but the people in the know seem to think there's a legitimate chance. This is outside my area of expertise, but what I have learned of prions is pretty dang troubling. I think we need to continue to invest money in research to better understand these diseases.
BSE... first identified in the mid-to-late 1980s. By 2019, a total of 232 people WORLDWIDE had succumbed to variant CJD, the human spongiform encephalopathy attributed to the BSE agent (whether it's a prion or a spiroplasma is still up in the air for me). 232 people. 232... Worldwide... over a 35 yr period. That's about how many folks were murdered in Washington DC last year; about one-third the murder rate in Chicago last year.
What They're Not Telling You About CWD
Scientists found through their research that CWD is no different than a well-known disease that affects sheep that was passed to cervids.www.deeranddeerhunting.com
I'm not sure if you saw the recent report of two men dieing from CJD who also happened to have been consuming deer in a CWD area:
There is still no smoking gun for a causal link between CWD and CJD, but the people in the know seem to think there's a legitimate chance. This is outside my area of expertise, but what I have learned of prions is pretty dang troubling. I think we need to continue to invest money in research to better understand these diseases.
I think they are implying they lived in the same area with the same deer population. This is just a report that two guys who were deer hunters living in the same area and mostly ate deer meat both developed CJD, which is a prion associated disease just like CWD. I don't really think they're making something out of nothing, but as neurologists it's extremely noteworthy. Unfortunately because of the nature of prions, they can't confirm what the source was.Maybe this is nothing, but it's titled "Two Hunters from the Same Lodge".... what exactly does that even mean? All it said in the report is that they're friends. Are they in a Masonic Lodge? Just seems they're trying really hard to make something out of a coincidence.
I wonder what the odds are those two lodge-mates were making and eating deer brain sausage. There are some odd ducks out there. I wouldn't put anything past what some people choose to eat. Thought I recalled reading once that some big squirrel eaters were developing CJD... maybe they were grinding up carcasses too? Who knows. Then again, I'm eating a piece of jerky shooter from a locker as I type this. HmmmI think they are implying they lived in the same area with the same deer population. This is just a report that two guys who were deer hunters living in the same area and mostly ate deer meat both developed CJD, which is a prion associated disease just like CWD. I don't really think they're making something out of nothing, but as neurologists it's extremely noteworthy. Unfortunately because of the nature of prions, they can't confirm what the source was.
I'm normally not all doom and gloom, but this definitely seems like something we should be keeping an eye on. Prions are a scary thing.
I'm not trying to make a comment on how serious CWD actually is on deer populations or how it should be managed. I'm just saying the downside of a disease like this broadsiding humanity would be catastrophic. I think we should be encouraging as much research in this area as possible to better understand it. As hunters and habitat managers we are in a unique position to advocate the importance of this research.
I agree with this wholeheartedly. Cancer too. We're the oldest generation that's consumed almost exclusively processed food our whole lives. Tsunami coming.Whether CWD has existed for centuries or it’s another biological weapon made by the monsters at Fort Collins, 60 years of consumption is enough to convince me there is no problem.
I do however believe there is a tsunami of degenerative neurological diseases coming, including CJD. It would be foolish to look back 60 years for the reason. I’d be looking back to the thing from 2021 of which we no longer speak, and 35 years of malnutrition, seed oils, Diet Coke, and antidepressants in white middle class women.
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And did I read that one of them ate deer antler velvet?I think they are implying they lived in the same area with the same deer population. This is just a report that two guys who were deer hunters living in the same area and mostly ate deer meat both developed CJD, which is a prion associated disease just like CWD. I don't really think they're making something out of nothing, but as neurologists it's extremely noteworthy. Unfortunately because of the nature of prions, they can't confirm what the source was.
I'm normally not all doom and gloom, but this definitely seems like something we should be keeping an eye on. Prions are a scary thing.
I'm not trying to make a comment on how serious CWD actually is on deer populations or how it should be managed. I'm just saying the downside of a disease like this broadsiding humanity would be catastrophic. I think we should be encouraging as much research in this area as possible to better understand it. As hunters and habitat managers we are in a unique position to advocate the importance of this research.