Dividend Check

[Jerry-B-WI]

What are you fellas going to do with your dividend checks? You know the $5000 Doge Dividend Musk is talking about sending out.

Does anyone believe he's actually getting to the root cause of the fraud and waste? How come no one has pointed the finger at the Congress and Senate? Why aren't they being investigated and fired from their jobs? No government agency just goes to the bank and takes money, Congress is the entity that gives out the dollars. They're the ones that should be asking where it's being spent and what it's being spent on.

Firing a bunch of probationary workers because they're doing what they were hired for isn't going to solve the problem. How about getting to the root of the problem and taking care of it?

 

[Brian662]

I would like for them to balance the budget with that(any) money instead of piss it away on any dividend check. Somehow I don't think I'll get my wish, after seeing the last debt ceiling increase proposal.

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

I agree Jerry about congress. But I disagree about the probationary workers. How do you eat and elephant, one bite at a time. You can’t reduce trillions in debt by discounting millions. Additionally a lot of us beg and plead for smaller government. This is what the beginning of smaller government looks like. For way too long the government sector hiring has been outpacing private growth. That should never happen.

But as far as the fraud which is happening at a staggering scale, firings aren’t good enough. Claw as much of that money back as you can and send those responsible to prison for a long long time. They stole from 330 million people. 1 month for each citizen will do the trick.

 

[rocksnstumps]

Dividend check wtf? What both sides are into blatantly buying votes now? Agree pay down some debt or borrow less in future.

Haven't heard about this but honestly try not to follow the news that close.

 

[Turkish]

What are you fellas going to do with your dividend checks? You know the $5000 Doge Dividend Musk is talking about sending out.

Does anyone believe he's actually getting to the root cause of the fraud and waste? How come no one has pointed the finger at the Congress and Senate? Why aren't they being investigated and fired from their jobs? No government agency just goes to the bank and takes money, Congress is the entity that gives out the dollars. They're the ones that should be asking where it's being spent and what it's being spent on.

Firing a bunch of probationary workers because they're doing what they were hired for isn't going to solve the problem. How about getting to the root of the problem and taking care of it?

Oh hell yeah. You think like me. Any self respecting congressman should be ashamed!

 

[hillrunner]

I haven't heard anything about a dividend check, I hope that's untrue. I also hate seeing the debt ceiling raised. I thought we were going to balance the budget?

Like it or not, that's going to mean getting rid of a massive number of federal employees. The federal payroll should have never been allowed to balloon to this size and it's going to hurt getting it back down to a sustainable number. I do agree that there needs to be a lot of looking into the elected representatives that propagated the bureaucracy.

With that said, it's only been a month. I've never seen this much progress in such a short period of time. I'm willing to let it shake out for a while before I cast my judgement.

 

[Brian662]

Musk is considering it, for those who hadn't heard about it.

Musk weighs a 'DOGE dividend' to send Americans checks using saved funds

Elon Musk expressed interest in an idea to create a "DOGE dividend" to give taxpayers a refund using funds saved amid the Department of Government Efficiency's work.

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[bwoods11]

I hope they just pay down some debt !

 

[Mortenson]

Ugh don't do this. All we need is more inflation.

 

[jsasker007]

Wonder what the interest is on 36 trillion dollars?

 

[BuckSutherland]

Stop printing money and inflation disappears. Then send all the war mongers in Congress to the front line in Ukraine. Lindsey Graham can go first. Then shoot all these bastards robbing us blind. They can start here in MN. The fraud being committed by the hostile Somalians is rampant. I'm sick and tired of every last piece of shit in federal and state govt. All the elected assholes and their brown shirt thug bureaucrats can go to hell.

 

[Wind Gypsy]

Doing that would only further confirm the political class cares more about pandering and buying votes than solving issues.

 

[H20fwler]

I look for them to eventually get to congress and senate to see how some have become so wealthy.

Some will get light shined on them while investigating some of the blatant corruption and fraud, then a deep dive into their finances will no doubt happen. Hopefully their bank accounts will be seized Cayman accounts found and they will all be prosecuted to the fullest.

Every single government agency is going to be scrutinized so it’s going to take a little time, then Pam Bondi will put it on them!

Going to be a very interesting and entertaining next four years.

 

[ruskbucks]

I just saw if everyone got their split of the billions that doge recovered it would come to $167.00 per person. I agree pay down the debt. I do believe they are going to look in to how members of congress
Are getting all their millions. Might be a reason why they are so upset with doge.

 

[Hoytvectrix]

I agree Jerry about congress. But I disagree about the probationary workers. How do you eat and elephant, one bite at a time. You can’t reduce trillions in debt by discounting millions. Additionally a lot of us beg and plead for smaller government. This is what the beginning of smaller government looks like. For way too long the government sector hiring has been outpacing private growth. That should never happen.

But as far as the fraud which is happening at a staggering scale, firings aren’t good enough. Claw as much of that money back as you can and send those responsible to prison for a long long time. They stole from 330 million people. 1 month for each citizen will do the trick.

I disagree with you about the probationary workers. I personally know of 10 researchers for the USDA that were all fired for being probationary workers. They weren't new employees. the most junior that was let go was in their role for 7 years. Each had been promoted and have been doing exactly what they were hired to do - study small grain diseases that affect one of our nation's largest exports and important crops. For those that don't know, every time you get promoted you are probationary at that level for 1-2 years. Poof. They were fired without any cause or even spending any time whatsoever to study how necessary these employees are because of their employment status. A status, by the way, that is designed to ensure that they are still a good employee and worthy of the promotion.

These aren't sales or middle management positions. These are all research scientists that are experts in their field and most often the best and brightest. No one in these roles got hired who didn't deserve it. Most often, they actually turned down jobs with Pioneer or Syngenta that paid substantially more in order to take these roles because of their interest in the cause or their personal values. We lead the world in ag research specifically because of positions like these.

I am certain there are all kinds of government employees out there that could have been trimmed. This was an absolutely atrocious attempt to save money. These are just the people that I personally know. I can't possibly fathom the long term effects this is going to have on us.

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

I don’t necessarily know or agree with the probationary approach. I was more saying the size of the government absolutely has to get smaller. It was unsustainable at this size and spending scale. If you looked at the employment reports the last couple years government and healthcare (pseudo government) dominated the numbers. That’s steeped in all kinds of consequences, intended and not. I absolutely hate when almost anyone gets fired but I’m not sure how you don’t start the process without breaking any eggs. This is an attempt to fix the sins of a lot of previous years (Trump 1.0 absolutely included). We are going to be in a world of hurt if we don’t manage this debt. Maybe a lot of this works gets farmed to private sector and it’s a win for the economy and the government.

 

[Wind Gypsy]

I disagree with you about the probationary workers. I personally know of 10 researchers for the USDA that were all fired for being probationary workers. They weren't new employees. the most junior that was let go was in their role for 7 years. Each had been promoted and have been doing exactly what they were hired to do - study small grain diseases that affect one of our nation's largest exports and important crops. For those that don't know, every time you get promoted you are probationary at that level for 1-2 years. Poof. They were fired without any cause or even spending any time whatsoever to study how necessary these employees are because of their employment status. A status, by the way, that is designed to ensure that they are still a good employee and worthy of the promotion.

These aren't sales or middle management positions. These are all research scientists that are experts in their field and most often the best and brightest. No one in these roles got hired who didn't deserve it. Most often, they actually turned down jobs with Pioneer or Syngenta that paid substantially more in order to take these roles because of their interest in the cause or their personal values. We lead the world in ag research specifically because of positions like these.

I am certain there are all kinds of government employees out there that could have been trimmed. This was an absolutely atrocious attempt to save money. These are just the people that I personally know. I can't possibly fathom the long term effects this is going to have on us.

Interesting and thanks for sharing. Just based off my small corner of the business/employment world, people in the first 1-2 years of a given position shouldn't indicate anything negative and possibly that there is still growth potential. On the contrary, someone in the same position for a decade is more likely to indicate they are stagnant.

 

[S.T.Fanatic]

I disagree with you about the probationary workers. I personally know of 10 researchers for the USDA that were all fired for being probationary workers. They weren't new employees. the most junior that was let go was in their role for 7 years. Each had been promoted and have been doing exactly what they were hired to do - study small grain diseases that affect one of our nation's largest exports and important crops. For those that don't know, every time you get promoted you are probationary at that level for 1-2 years. Poof. They were fired without any cause or even spending any time whatsoever to study how necessary these employees are because of their employment status. A status, by the way, that is designed to ensure that they are still a good employee and worthy of the promotion.

These aren't sales or middle management positions. These are all research scientists that are experts in their field and most often the best and brightest. No one in these roles got hired who didn't deserve it. Most often, they actually turned down jobs with Pioneer or Syngenta that paid substantially more in order to take these roles because of their interest in the cause or their personal values. We lead the world in ag research specifically because of positions like these.

I am certain there are all kinds of government employees out there that could have been trimmed. This was an absolutely atrocious attempt to save money. These are just the people that I personally know. I can't possibly fathom the long term effects this is going to have on us.

The cause was an inflated budget. The answer, lowering payroll, eliminating wasteful spending, prison sentences, etc.


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[Hoytvectrix]

Interesting and thanks for sharing. Just based off my small corner of the business/employment world, people in the first 1-2 years of a given position shouldn't indicate anything negative and possibly that there is still growth potential. On the contrary, someone in the same position for a decade is more likely to indicate they are stagnant.

I am not as familiar with USDA and other government requirements. At least in academia in my track, if you are not promoted every five years, you are fired.

I agree with you about the stagnation and even that timeline sounds about right.

 

[Hoytvectrix]

The cause was an inflated budget. The answer, lowering payroll, eliminating wasteful spending, prison sentences, etc.


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I don't think you will find anyone that thinks trimming fat wasn't necessary. The issue is how they are going about it.

Each of the people that I know of that were fired received letters saying it was for performance. Of course, having been recently promoted, performance wasn't the issue. They were offered buyouts with their terminations. Why would you offer buyouts to poor performing employees? Obviously the letters are designed to prevent future lawsuits, which of course are going to happen with how this all went down.

Congress sets the budgets and passes laws. Trump doing this even with having a majority in both chambers of congress and a majority on the supreme court should be obvious to anyone that this approach is terrible and unnecessary.