Coronavirus

[BuckSutherland]

Hahaha.... heal the country...
You’ve got some jokes.


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Too be clear, I don’t like the man one damn bit. I’m just imagining the narrative behind his candidacy. I believe Biden could pledge all of his delegates to Cuomo and nobody would stand in his way and I’m sure the “superdelegates” would gladly approve. Trump had lots of skeletons too, but that didn’t stop him from winning the presidency. Cuomo is gonna be on TV every day as the anti trump message for the foreseeable future. Biden will be in hiding.

 

[Telemark]

Speaking of Cuomo....

I will bet anyone on here that wants $100 that the election this fall is gonna be Trump v Cuomo assuming they are both alive after corona. There is no way in hell they (DNC) are gonna put Biden out there. I think Biden is intentionally tanking and making gaffes now and will eventually pledge his delegates to Cuomo. I dont think Biden really wants to do this anyway. He will slip away as some great statesman with a medical diagnosis and that will keep him from being investigated. He has to finish Bernie off first though. Then Cuomo (the crisis manager) can UNITE THE PARTY (including the Bernie bros that Biden cant get) and HEAL THE COUNTRY. Biden had a disastrous week from his bunker and is just not fit for the job. The man cant even form coherent sentences most of the time.

Tell me this doesnt look like an awful acting job....

https://twitter.com/x/status/1242533762375827456

I'll take that action.

 

[bowhunternw]

Here is some confusing data from the MN ministry of health.


https://kstp.com/coronavirus/minnes...9-deaths-total-cases-reach-441/5686597/?cat=1


So we have 441 confirmed cases on 3/28. The article say 220 people no longer need to be isolated (recovered is my guess, but I am not certain). We didnt have 220 cases until 5 days ago in 3/23 when we had 235 confirmed cases according to the graph. The wife says they send all kinds of sick people home and tell them to quarantine for 2 weeks without testing them. I'm not sure what I should make of that data. Only about 2.8% of the tested cases tested are positive for coronavirus.

Doing pretty good with 5 dead out of 5.7 million population so far, 57 hospitalized through the entire pandemic and 30 that are currently hospitalized. I believe all 5 of those that died were in rough shape to begin with. Maybe we can go back to work around here a couple weeks from now and just practice social distancing and good hygiene.


I will be following along on the ministry of health website from now on.

https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/situation.html

Does your wife have any idea of how long people are sick before they either get better or succumb? I kind of wonder if ethnicity has some role as to how susceptible you are, as you see different results in different countries.

I personally am not to worried about my immediate family as we are fairly young. I feel like in 2 weeks we will have a better grip on how bad it will end up.

 

[Buckly]

Some people are thinking certain blood types are better. I don’t think anybody knows. It’s the virus against your immune system. Obviously there are people that know because of certain conditions that their immune system is suppressed. Then there are people that would have no idea that their immune system is weak. That’s why you see some younger people having a hard time fighting it. They had a doc on from one of the NYC hospitals on last night. If people need hospitalization they try and get you oxygen. some need a little and some need a lot. Some need full mask or CPAP. His opinion is most of those people can recover. If they don’t respond to those then they go on ventilator. Understand that’s basically life support. In NYC they have been on ventilators for 20 or more days Very poor chance of recovery if someone goes on a ventilator with this. That’s the observations from one doc in the epicenter. There is always hope though and some have recovered from the ventilators. I keep it in perspective. It’s a small percent that this happens to. The vast majority will come through it ok.

 

[Buckly]

And I really ,really hate to bring this up but it was bantered about yesterday out of NYC. Many people have health care proxies that have a do not resuscitate provision. If you have that the hospital will do what they have to do. Especially if they need room. I’m always optimistic and not a dire person but it’s been brought up with this in NYC. Your wishes are your wishes.

 

[BuckSutherland]

There is no good answer to your question bowhunter. I ask her lots of questions too. A couple tough old codgers that her and her coworkers have dealt with did not come in until they were damn near laying in the casket. Others come in at the first sniffle. The meth people come in no matter what. Lots of phone calls looking for advice. Recovery times are different for everyone. The one thing that seems to be clear is that it hits men harder than women and the majority are 30+ years of age.

 

[cavey]

The code status (resuscitation) their talking about does not have anything to do with patient wishes. They are no coding the Covid 19 patient in full respiratory or cardiac arrest because advanced airway placements like ET tubes are high risk procedures to the health care providers as well as nebulized meds, c-pap and bi-pap interventions. Working a code is a messy deal - CPR and ALS interventions have body fluids flying all around. Hospitals and EMS systems are changing their field/prehospital and in hospital protocols to reduce the likely hood of exposures especially in ambulances and ER rooms. We are I-gel'ing them in the field (instead of ET's)- avoiding nebs and c-pap in the rigs and Respiratory is dropping in line filters on our airways before letting the patients out of the bays. So if you code and are Covid-19 some places have DNR status on the patients as a new blanket policy - not via patient wishes. Plus this is an inflammation driven respiratory compromise and if your already vented there isnt much else they can do for you other than free up the ventilator and move on to the next person. Working those codes are a waste of time and effort and only add risk and exposure to an already compromised health care system.

Its a prolonged illness with long hospital stays if you are part of the 12-15% of severe cases expect a month in the hospital. Shortness of breath can take a week or better to even show up. You can be 2 weeks into the disease before you fill the need to go in. If you get this and are part of the critical group and dont progress positively you will die alone in isolation with no family around and have a bit of a agonizingly slow death. Its a pretty F'ing horrible way to go young or old.
That is why in part you see lags (prolonged illness) between initial infection numbers and "recovered" numbers as the cases ramp up your not seeing a ramping up of recovered patients soon afterwards like you would with something like the flu and wont for a month. Recovered statuses are way delayed. Mild cases - they are not even keeping track of - go home and self isolate, if you think your dying then call first and they will triage you for admitting. With the exponential doubling of cases recovered patient numbers will be lagging way behind for months. We saw this with China.

If your vented your in a bad place with this... period.

It will be a long time before they can pin point high risk groups as this sweeps through the country it will hit different regional groups - right now that is pointless anyways and will be at the end of this as well - we are all pretty much the same. Anybody can get this - most will likely. Its about you at the moment you get dosed by the virus... random shake of the dice with trends that slant it towards different age groups, health statuses and sexes - to many human factors to say who will and who wont get it and immune systems are only a part of it. Its odds and luck of the draw... perfectly health younger people are dying too.

This will run for months -- 6, 8, 10 or what ever till a very large percent of the populations has had it, or everyone is vaccinated or given antibody serum - or a med that can reduce severity is found. Or by some miracle it mutates into a more deadly form and burns out. In 3 or 4 months there will be enough people that have had it that work will have to get back to some form of normal. Only the Easter Bunny and one other guy thinks this will be over by Easter weekend.
So no matter who you are or where your hiding -- till you get it or are vaccinated you will be at risk - a high or low chance roll of the dice.

We are weeks behind the east and west coast up here - Minneapolis/saint Paul should go the way of Milwaukee soon enough maybe in a week or so ... lets hope not but they dont have a magic force field and they are not anymore special than Brew City.

The way things are going we are going to make Italy look like a nice vacation spot again real soon. Right now thee only weapon against this is staying away from other people...

No contact no spread. Contact equals spread. Its that simple.

 

[OakSeeds]

Buck, I'm not comfortable picking on Biden (especially if your correct about his mental condition); however, you hit the nail right on the head. Let me help support your premise. (assuming DEMS can get Cuomo to run ... he may believe he is better off riding out the virus - as a hero - and making a run in 4 years). His daily briefings are widely watched (even President Trump admits he watches) and Cuomo is getting very high marks for the way he is handling the NY situation.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/nyregion/governor-andrew-cuomo-coronavirus.html
" His briefings — articulate, consistent and often tinged with empathy — have become must-see television. On Tuesday, his address was
carried live on all four networks in New York and a raft of cable news stations, including CNN, MSNBC and even Fox News."

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...ronavirus-made-andrew-cuomo-americas-governor

These 2 show how widely popular he is ...
https://newrepublic.com/article/157063/andrew-cuomo-became-media-darling
https://www.vulture.com/2020/03/andrew-cuomos-press-briefing-is-great-tv.html

This one is especially brutal for Trump.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/22/politics/andrew-cuomo-press-conferences/index.html

Even today, only FOX News carried Trump's visit to the pier, and the threatened quarantine (regarding NY,NJ, CT) turned out to be a fiasco when CNN gave Cuomo a platform to trash trump (saying nothing personal about Trump ... merely stating his opinion about whether it could happen and what he would do).

Remember the rose garden town hall hosted by FOX last week when DJT gave the moderator an alleged document that suggested Cuomo failed to buy ventilators in 2015.
In a Cuomo briefing a couple days later, Cuomo was asked about the incident and literally laughed it off ... first response to reporter, "you know that's not correct".
Then he explained it away.

Why do I mention this .. it suggests the Trump people are concerned about Cuomo's popularity (it caught your attention enough that you would bet money). Then last Friday during the last 15 minutes of the Hannity show, a women guest brought up the problems facing the democrats regarding cancelled primaries, a convention fairly early in the summer (can they assemble) and how poor a candidate Biden is. She speculated that the convention would perhaps be brokered and Cuomo would be the candidate.
Who knows what will happen; however my guess is that Donald would not be pleased for the opportunity to debate Cuomo. Cuomo has extensive govt experience, a lot of knowledge about the whole virus issue, outstanding presentation skills speaking extemporanously and he's unruffled as a presenter ... plus riding a wave of respect from the American public.

Again, I think you are correct that it's Cuomo's if he wants it and if Biden will step aside. If he does, it'll be a heck of a battle.
Can you imagine these two going at each other.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/27/politics/cuomo-trump-incorrect-and-grossly-uninformed/index.html

 

[OakSeeds]

^^^^THIS^^^^


Sorry, I dont agree with your morbid assessment of 2.5-5% of all grandmas and grandpas will die Oakseeds. 3.5 million dead is not based on any type of facts at all, instead just reckless speculations. It is the worst, of the worst, of the worst case scenario. That's the only way to get to that number.


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You are certainly entitled to your opinion ... I'll respectfully stick with mine ... we'll know when it's over.

 

[OakSeeds]

Post 1223 ... Buck said ...
Oakseed, just so I'm clear, you wrote 67% rather than 67 million. Then when you got called about it, made the guy who noticed your flaw feel like he was in the wrong? Maybe next time just say, "oops, i meant a finite number not a percentage" You were wrong and saying you were wouldn't have been that hard. And it'd add credence to your future posts.

Buck .... just so we're all clear on this ....
post 1193
1. 68.7% of the US population IS NOT over the age of 60 in 2016. My late night calulation was an initial attempt to frame this post in relation to ksgobblers post on % of population over 60 ...I goofed; however, .....

 

[H20fwler]

Cuomo running for prez would be another DNC time bomb, IMO the Cuomo family has two Fredo's.

 

[chummer]

Buck, I'm not comfortable picking on Biden (especially if your correct about his mental condition); however, you hit the nail right on the head. Let me help support your premise. (assuming DEMS can get Cuomo to run ... he may believe he is better off riding out the virus - as a hero - and making a run in 4 years). His daily briefings are widely watched (even President Trump admits he watches) and Cuomo is getting very high marks for the way he is handling the NY situation.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/nyregion/governor-andrew-cuomo-coronavirus.html
" His briefings — articulate, consistent and often tinged with empathy — have become must-see television. On Tuesday, his address was
carried live on all four networks in New York and a raft of cable news stations, including CNN, MSNBC and even Fox News."

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...ronavirus-made-andrew-cuomo-americas-governor

These 2 show how widely popular he is ...
https://newrepublic.com/article/157063/andrew-cuomo-became-media-darling
https://www.vulture.com/2020/03/andrew-cuomos-press-briefing-is-great-tv.html

This one is especially brutal for Trump.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/22/politics/andrew-cuomo-press-conferences/index.html

Even today, only FOX News carried Trump's visit to the pier, and the threatened quarantine (regarding NY,NJ, CT) turned out to be a fiasco when CNN gave Cuomo a platform to trash trump (saying nothing personal about Trump ... merely stating his opinion about whether it could happen and what he would do).

Remember the rose garden town hall hosted by FOX last week when DJT gave the moderator an alleged document that suggested Cuomo failed to buy ventilators in 2015.
In a Cuomo briefing a couple days later, Cuomo was asked about the incident and literally laughed it off ... first response to reporter, "you know that's not correct".
Then he explained it away.

Why do I mention this .. it suggests the Trump people are concerned about Cuomo's popularity (it caught your attention enough that you would bet money). Then last Friday during the last 15 minutes of the Hannity show, a women guest brought up the problems facing the democrats regarding cancelled primaries, a convention fairly early in the summer (can they assemble) and how poor a candidate Biden is. She speculated that the convention would perhaps be brokered and Cuomo would be the candidate.
Who knows what will happen; however my guess is that Donald would not be pleased for the opportunity to debate Cuomo. Cuomo has extensive govt experience, a lot of knowledge about the whole virus issue, outstanding presentation skills speaking extemporanously and he's unruffled as a presenter ... plus riding a wave of respect from the American public.

Again, I think you are correct that it's Cuomo's if he wants it and if Biden will step aside. If he does, it'll be a heck of a battle.
Can you imagine these two going at each other.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/27/politics/cuomo-trump-incorrect-and-grossly-uninformed/index.html

Since you love trashing Fox News and put them in bold. “Even Fox News covered it”. They have had every Cuomo press conference on since he started giving them. Let’s see if you can find an “even CNN or MSNBC supports Trump. Bet you can’t. Cuomo has handled this well, he is getting praise from both sides and agrees with Trump enough for the right to put aside what a colossal douche bag he is.

 

[OakSeeds]

Actually, I did that because I was surprised FOX covered him. Doesn't MSNBC/CNN cover the President's daily briefing? I do watch Neil Cavuto ... I think he's the best they have. I sample Bill Hemmer's views on occasion. Sean and Laura .... well they're yours and the red meat guys. I try to watch many different sources to be as best informed as possible. Obviously, there are vast differences among networks and cable; good to know what each side is thinking. I love my wife and my children the most ... plus a lot of friends. I'm only luke warm on ANY NEWS ORGANIZATION.
Peace my friend

 

[chummer]

Actually, I did that because I was surprised FOX covered him. Doesn't MSNBC/CNN cover the President's daily briefing? I do watch Neil Cavuto ... I think he's the best they have. I sample Bill Hemmer's views on occasion. Sean and Laura .... well they're yours and the red meat guys. I try to watch many different sources to be as best informed as possible. Obviously, there are vast differences among networks and cable; good to know what each side is thinking. I love my wife and my children the most ... plus a lot of friends. I'm only luke warm on ANY NEWS ORGANIZATION.
Peace my friend

They do cover it and them call him a liar an idiot. They know he is good for ratings and red meat for their pundits to push their agenda. I watch the other side as well, and you will never see a supportive comment. You love painting with the wide brush and you think you have everything figured out. Sean and Laure are not mine, I give them the same 5 -10 minutes I give NBC every night. I watch Cavuto most days and you only like him because he is anti Trump. See what I did there?

 

[OakSeeds]

chummer ... this is my last response ... going to watch church. Peace and LOVE brother (sincerely).

 

[BuckSutherland]

Looks like the Democrats are even starting to wonder where Biden is....this author must have been reading my comments on here.



https://www.foxnews.com/politics/de...iden-becomes-irrelevant-in-coronavirus-crisis

 

[Buckly]

I really think it’s too late for cuomo to get in. And he’s tied up right now. The Dems are stuck with Biden like it or not. Cuomo is popular in NYC because he gives them everything. Upstate, well he not a liked man. the Cuomo the Country is seeing now is not his real side. The people of NY know exactly what he is. He would never do well in many parts of the Country In a general election. And right now he is starting to irk quite a few of the Governors out there. There‘s 50 States out there, give all the supply’s to NY isn’t sitting well with some States. Florida , Texas , Rhode Island. States are now hating NY because they’re fleeing NY in droves. Although if everybody leaves NYC that solves his problem he can’t publicly say that. He’s now suing Rhode Island for harassing NYers.

 

[BuckSutherland]

I really think it’s too late for cuomo to get in.

Its never too late for the DNC. Not until they approve the nominee at the convention is this over. The fact that they have "superdelegates" tells you all you need to know. They couldn't risk letting the people have total control. They spent the last 6 months preparing for a contested convention to deny Bernie the nomination. Its quite apparent they are the masters of rigging the game. Look what they did to Bernie 4 years ago. Never let a good crisis go to waste comes to mind here. Biden is a disaster, but Bernie would have been worse and they need a way out. Not to mention the national media is doing its part to elevate Cuomo as much as they possibly can. He is their darling right now and that tells me the decision has already been made. Obama hasn't even endorsed Biden and that says A LOT.

 

[chickenlittle]

There's plenty not to like about Cuomo in normal times. But he's smart and organized. He knows how government works and how to get things done. He's making decisions based on what is actually happening instead of on hopes and fantasy. Compared to a President who doesn't have any of those skills, it's not hard for him to impress people.

 

[OakSeeds]

After further thought, I don't believe he will/can run. It's Almost April ... he's got his hands full managing the virus crisis in NY that probably won't abate soon. He can't do both, and to leave to run for president would leave him vulnerable to attack (abandon ship complaints) from both sides of the isle. He's busy now biuilding what social scientistrs call "reputional capital." He might go on a spending spree in 4 years.