Building a coyote & hog black rifle...

[Westwind]

Neither of my carbines are set up to shoot 77 grain bullets, both are 1/9 twist barrels. Would love to have a 1/7 upper.

 

[omicron1792]

Is frangible ammo potentially bad for suppresors? An occasional fluke one grenades open upon barrel exit and chews up the suppressor?

Never played with frangible, but they are by design made to break easily.

No

Been used with military for a long time almost always suppressed.

 

[omicron1792]

Neither of my carbines are set up to shoot 77 grain bullets, both are 1/9 twist barrels. Would love to have a 1/7 upper.

The 69tmk is what you would want then.

62 grain fusion is no slouch either. Not as frangible as TMK, but really good round. I’ve used on deer several times and does well b

 

[omicron1792]

Was not familiar with the TMK but Sierra web says not designed for hunting?


Sierra has enhanced a segment of the MatchKing line by adding the acetal resin tip, thus crowning the Tipped MatchKing (TMK) bullet line. The major advantage of adding a tip to the bullet is the reduction of drag, producing a more favorable ballistic coefficient. Another benefit is reliable feeding in magazine fed firearms. The 77 grain Tipped MatchKing (TMK) allows seating to an OAL that permits cartridges to be loaded into M16/AR15 magazines. While they are recognized around the world for record-setting accuracy, MatchKing® and Tipped MatchKing® bullets are not recommended for most hunting applications. Although MatchKing® and Tipped MatchKing® bullets are commonly used for varmint hunting, their design will not provide the same reliable explosive expansion at equivalent velocities in varmints compared to their lightly jacketed Hornet, Blitz or VarmintKing counterparts. The #7177 was introduced in January 2015. This bullet requires a barrel twist rate of 1×8” or faster.

Yeah. They have military contracts that require them to say that. TMK is THE 223 bullet for hunting.

They just released new TMK for almost every popular hunting round at the request of hunters. 107/116 for 6 creedmoor. 153 for 6.5 creedmoor/prc.

 

[omicron1792]

100s, if not thousands, of examples of 223 being used to kill every kind of game. Mostly with 77TMK.


“Bullets matter more than headstamps.”

“Spent primers offer the supreme tutorial”.

I’ve read it here and elsewhere online. It got my attention. I started digging and asking questions and listened.

The 77gr TMK delivered by a .223...

https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/223-for-bear-mountain-goat-deer-elk-and-moose.130488/

Read it with open mind. Throw away all the things your grandpa or the old guy at camp told you. It’s enlightening.

 

[Telemark]

62 grain fusion is no slouch either. Not as frangible as TMK, but really good round. I’ve used on deer several times and does well b

You're talking about .223 for deer?

 

[omicron1792]

You're talking about .223 for deer?

Deer. Elk. Bear. Whatever.

I’ve used it on deer the last 3 years. Between me and my boys about 12 deer. Devastating. And so easy to shoot with little recoil.

Read the thread I posted. Don’t just go on preconceived thoughts. If nothing else just scroll thread to pictures. 100’s of necropsy photos showing insane damage. Thread is the single biggest repository of kills by a caliber on the internet. Insane amount of knowledge.

 

[Telemark]

Deer. Elk. Bear. Whatever.

I’ve used it on deer the last 3 years. Between me and my boys about 12 deer. Devastating. And so easy to shoot with little recoil.

Read the thread I posted. Don’t just go on preconceived thoughts. If nothing else just scroll thread to pictures. 100’s of necropsy photos showing insane damage. Thread is the single biggest repository of kills by a caliber on the internet. Insane amount of knowledge.

I didn't mean it in a skeptical way. I recently bought a .223 bolt rifle that I'm interested in hunting with. Where is the thread you posed? I'd like to read about experiences hunting with the cartridge.

 

[Feelslikefar.]

The landowners wants dead hogs, not recovered hogs, so a gut shot or body shot is what he is requesting,

I would think something like M855 through the lungs would achieve the same effect. Lethal, but give them enough time to run into the brush. But not as cruel as gut shooting them.

 

[omicron1792]

I didn't mean it in a skeptical way. I recently bought a .223 bolt rifle that I'm interested in hunting with. Where is the thread you posed? I'd like to read about experiences hunting with the cartridge.

My bad my man. 223 is a great deer round with the right bullet.

.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

DON'T HAVE TIME TO READ 176 PAGES? HERE'S THE CHEAT SHEET. “Bullets matter more than headstamps.” “Spent primers offer the supreme tutorial”. I’ve read it here and elsewhere online. It got my attention. I started digging and asking questions and listened. The 77gr TMK delivered by a .223...

rokslide.com

 

[Telemark]

Thanks. I'll read through it this evening.

 

[bigboreblr]

Older guy I used to pheasant hunt with only used a 22-250 for deer hunting. Probably got sick of 12 gauge slugs all those years it was shotgun only.

 

[omicron1792]

Older guy I used to pheasant hunt with only used a 22-250 for deer hunting. Probably got sick of 12 gauge slugs all those years it was shotgun only.

Great cartridge. The 22 creedmoor one ups it a bit in a modern cartridge. But most wouldn’t know the difference.

The 77TMK out of 22-250 is mean medicine. Have to have a fast twist barrel though

 

[bigboreblr]

Selling a henry 22 mag pump gun i got o. A raffle this year. Probably get a 223 bolt gun or maybe a nicer 308.

No semi autos till I leave NY. Beretta 686, a 223 match AR, and nice gun by mikal.... 7.62x39

 

[BC Buck]

Selling a henry 22 mag pump gun i got o. A raffle this year. Probably get a 223 bolt gun or maybe a nicer 308.

No semi autos till I leave NY. Beretta 686, a 223 match AR, and nice gun by mikal.... 7.62x39

Get out and start living. That place is getting crazier by the day. Had a buddy say his rural property tax was so high he could not even sell the land.

 

[Turkish]

Deer. Elk. Bear. Whatever.

I’ve used it on deer the last 3 years. Between me and my boys about 12 deer. Devastating. And so easy to shoot with little recoil.

Read the thread I posted. Don’t just go on preconceived thoughts. If nothing else just scroll thread to pictures. 100’s of necropsy photos showing insane damage. Thread is the single biggest repository of kills by a caliber on the internet. Insane amount of knowledge.

Between introducing me to OTB suppressors and now these TMKs, this board is about to cost me some money and time.

What rifle(s) are you shooting the 77s in. Think a 1:9 twist will work? I have matching Kimber Montanas in 308 and 223. I’d love to hunt with the 223. I think mag and throat lengths may be an issue, though.

 

[omicron1792]

Between introducing me to OTB suppressors and now these TMKs, this board is about to cost me some money and time.

What rifle(s) are you shooting the 77s in. Think a 1:9 twist will work? I have matching Kimber Montanas in 308 and 223. I’d love to hunt with the 223. I think mag and throat lengths may be an issue, though.

The 69TMK might. The 77TMk requires 1-8 at least. My two are 1-7 twist.

 

[Turkish]

The 69TMK might. The 77TMk requires 1-8 at least. My two are 1-7 twist.

May be a good excuse to have some work done go AI.

 

[BC Buck]

Between introducing me to OTB suppressors and now these TMKs, this board is about to cost me some money and time.

What rifle(s) are you shooting the 77s in. Think a 1:9 twist will work? I have matching Kimber Montanas in 308 and 223. I’d love to hunt with the 223. I think mag and throat lengths may be an issue, though.

Dont get expensive till you start talking thermal.

 

[Turkish]

Dont get expensive till you start talking thermal.

I realize they are a tool, but I’d feel bad putting one of those ugly things on one of my rifles. Maybe that’s what Savages are for. ;)