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Baiting, I know this has been discussed and discussed this is just my rant....LOL

Five acres of corn at 100 bushels per acre equals 500 bushels of corn at 56 lbs per bushel equal 28,000 lbs of corn. I feed about half that much corn through a combined four feeders spread over 350 acres - IN A YEAR. I am pretty sure 28,000 lbs of corn on five acres is not immune from disease transmission

even all my baiting neighbors would take offense if I spread 3500 lbs of corn on 5 acres every week of our eight week deer season

I think most of us involved with some type of baiting are probably one of many in the area. I know of a dozen different bait sites on seven different properties within no more than a few hundred yards of my property line. I have no false illusions that if I dont bait, all the deer on my 350 acres are going to stay put and not walk 20 to 200 yards off my property to feed at a neighbor’s bait site. In fact, I know “my” deer use the neighbor’s bait sites because they show me pictures of “my” deer.

Knowing for fact that the deer that are prone to hitting bait sites are already doing it on the neighbors’ ground - If I add six bait sites myself to the existing 12 bait sites on the neighbors - for a total of 18 sites - is that not spreading the deer out as opposed to concentrating them as much? I have always read where the more the deer are concentrated, the more likely disease transmission will occur. Spreading them out is a good thing - right!

In my case, my records show we kill five times as many of the mounted deer on my wall in food plots as bait. I have probably 60 hunts on bait over the past four years for one particular deer and have never seen him. Our deer must be a different sub species than KY deer.

I know bait is effective. For my five and ten acre neighbors, it is the most effective way they can hunt. For me, my foodplots are - but my neighbors dont have the luxury of having thirty acres of food plots to hunt - so they hunt the most effective way they can. My bait sites are employed to decrease the effectiveness of their bait piles. If I never killed a deer we would never miss a meal. Some of my neighbors depend heavily on deer meat to eat, and I am out there blowing money like a high school girl with her daddy’s credit card - planting food plots, baiting, cultivating native plants, tsi - trying to keep them from killing deer. I could probably spend my annual deer management budget and buy most of them all the meat they could eat in year.

Do I feel good if I shoot a five year old 140” deer over a bait pile - yes I did - the one time I have done it. I have a lot time sitting on a bait pile and a lot of time sitting on a food plot. I dont see one being more better or worse than the other as as to how I feel when we kill a deer. I dont care if I kill it with a compound, crossbow, ML, or modern gun - I am proud of it no matter. Those big deer are hard to kill here - with anything.

Do I wish baiting was illegal - 100%. It costs me a lot of money and effort - and the deer hunting on my land was a lot better before all the neighbors started baiting - my food plots were the only artificial attractant for miles.

Do I wish forward facing sonar was illegal - yes I do - but I will use it until then. I know big game fishermen who think omni directional sonar is cheating. I wish our G&F would put a very small quota on non resident duck hunters on public land - but they dont and they swarm like maggots. I know a trapper who wishes AR did not allow year round trapping - a waste of fur he says. I know dyed in the wool predator hunters who think it should be illegal to use a thermal for coyotes.

If you only want to bow hunt (been there) - dont cuss the rifle hunters - that is your choice to restrict yourself.
 
Five acres of corn at 100 bushels per acre equals 500 bushels of corn at 56 lbs per bushel equal 28,000 lbs of corn. I feed about half that much corn through a combined four feeders spread over 350 acres - IN A YEAR. I am pretty sure 28,000 lbs of corn on five acres is not immune from disease transmission

even all my baiting neighbors would take offense if I spread 3500 lbs of corn on 5 acres every week of our eight week deer season

I think most of us involved with some type of baiting are probably one of many in the area. I know of a dozen different bait sites on seven different properties within no more than a few hundred yards of my property line. I have no false illusions that if I dont bait, all the deer on my 350 acres are going to stay put and not walk 20 to 200 yards off my property to feed at a neighbor’s bait site. In fact, I know “my” deer use the neighbor’s bait sites because they show me pictures of “my” deer.

Knowing for fact that the deer that are prone to hitting bait sites are already doing it on the neighbors’ ground - If I add six bait sites myself to the existing 12 bait sites on the neighbors - for a total of 18 sites - is that not spreading the deer out as opposed to concentrating them as much? I have always read where the more the deer are concentrated, the more likely disease transmission will occur. Spreading them out is a good thing - right!

In my case, my records show we kill five times as many of the mounted deer on my wall in food plots as bait. I have probably 60 hunts on bait over the past four years for one particular deer and have never seen him. Our deer must be a different sub species than KY deer.

I know bait is effective. For my five and ten acre neighbors, it is the most effective way they can hunt. For me, my foodplots are - but my neighbors dont have the luxury of having thirty acres of food plots to hunt - so they hunt the most effective way they can. My bait sites are employed to decrease the effectiveness of their bait piles. If I never killed a deer we would never miss a meal. Some of my neighbors depend heavily on deer meat to eat, and I am out there blowing money like a high school girl with her daddy’s credit card - planting food plots, baiting, cultivating native plants, tsi - trying to keep them from killing deer. I could probably spend my annual deer management budget and buy most of them all the meat they could eat in year.

Do I feel good if I shoot a five year old 140” deer over a bait pile - yes I did - the one time I have done it. I have a lot time sitting on a bait pile and a lot of time sitting on a food plot. I dont see one being more better or worse than the other as as to how I feel when we kill a deer. I dont care if I kill it with a compound, crossbow, ML, or modern gun - I am proud of it no matter. Those big deer are hard to kill here - with anything.

Do I wish baiting was illegal - 100%. It costs me a lot of money and effort - and the deer hunting on my land was a lot better before all the neighbors started baiting - my food plots were the only artificial attractant for miles.

Do I wish forward facing sonar was illegal - yes I do - but I will use it until then. I know big game fishermen who think omni directional sonar is cheating. I wish our G&F would put a very small quota on non resident duck hunters on public land - but they dont and they swarm like maggots. I know a trapper who wishes AR did not allow year round trapping - a waste of fur he says. I know dyed in the wool predator hunters who think it should be illegal to use a thermal for coyotes.

If you only want to bow hunt (been there) - dont cuss the rifle hunters - that is your choice to restrict yourself.
I agree with some of what you say there. I know a lot of guys who wish it was illegal, but contribute by doing it regardless. I believe at some point your ethics needs to override the legality or the “if I don’t do it, my neighbor will” doctrine.
And to your last line. Self restriction is absolutely a personal choice. But if you find issue with something, and have a cognizant leg to stand on, I don’t believe you should just bend over and take it. I promise the other side isn’t. The pro baiting pro crossbow pro rifle season guys all won because they were the vocal ones.
The thermal guys will be next.
All this will play out till we have no morals or ethics or laws. If you believe something is wrong, standup for it even if you feel like it’s a losing side.
“The forest was shrinking, but the trees kept voting for the axe, because the axe was clever and convinced the trees that because his handle was made of wood, he was one of them.”
 
I’ve said it before, there will be a thermal gun season soon

Where?

There won't be one in Ohio. Hunting for deer at night is illegal, with or without thermal scopes. It's a safety issue.

They might open a thermal season for game animals way out West, but I doubt it will ever become widespread ot permanent.

In many places, night hunting is already legal for coyotes and feral hogs. I can't imagine thermal scopes would have any significant negative impact there. I could see a shotgun with a thermal scope being great for raccoon hunting.
 
Where?

There won't be one in Ohio. Hunting for deer at night is illegal, with or without thermal scopes. It's a safety issue.

They might open a thermal season for game animals way out West, but I doubt it will ever become widespread ot permanent.

In many places, night hunting is already legal for coyotes and feral hogs. I can't imagine thermal scopes would have any significant negative impact there. I could see a shotgun with a thermal scope being great for raccoon hunting.
Just this session, someone in Kentucky tried to amend the language to this before it was caught. They tried to sneak it in with a pay raise for wardens amendment.

"amend KRS 150.360 to allow the taking of wildlife at night instead of only coyotes"
 
I agree with some of what you say there. I know a lot of guys who wish it was illegal, but contribute by doing it regardless. I believe at some point your ethics needs to override the legality or the “if I don’t do it, my neighbor will” doctrine.
And to your last line. Self restriction is absolutely a personal choice. But if you find issue with something, and have a cognizant leg to stand on, I don’t believe you should just bend over and take it. I promise the other side isn’t. The pro baiting pro crossbow pro rifle season guys all won because they were the vocal ones.
The thermal guys will be next.
All this will play out till we have no morals or ethics or laws. If you believe something is wrong, standup for it even if you feel like it’s a losing side.
“The forest was shrinking, but the trees kept voting for the axe, because the axe was clever and convinced the trees that because his handle was made of wood, he was one of them.”

I agree - I have contacted my g&f about this and multiple other things. I dont think any of my efforts have ever made one single bit of difference except with the possible exception of our state allowing year round trapping on private ground. The problem with baiting for deer - by far the vast majority of the folks I know support baiting - and evidently our g&f does also because I believe they were the first cwd state to allow baiting in cwd zones. I promise, not one of my many neighboring hunters would support a ban on baiting.

I, unlike many on this forum, dont oppose baiting so much from an ethical stand point as I do from a selfish standpoint. I know my hunting would improve if all baiting was stopped - and I would have a lot more money in my pocket to spend elsewhere. I would actually be in favor of banning baiting during season and allowing supplemental feeding outside of season - but I do have reservations about baiting in a cwd area and would agree it needs to be banned completely
 
Just this session, someone in Kentucky tried to amend the language to this before it was caught. They tried to sneak it in with a pay raise for wardens amendment.

"amend KRS 150.360 to allow the taking of wildlife at night instead of only coyotes"

Seems like it doesn't have much backing if they had to try to sneak it in, and when discovered, it was stopped. Even if someone did manage to sneak it in, it can be undone quickly and easily if it still doesn't have backing from the policy makers.
 
Five acres of corn at 100 bushels per acre equals 500 bushels of corn at 56 lbs per bushel equal 28,000 lbs of corn. I feed about half that much corn through a combined four feeders spread over 350 acres - IN A YEAR. I am pretty sure 28,000 lbs of corn on five acres is not immune from disease transmission

even all my baiting neighbors would take offense if I spread 3500 lbs of corn on 5 acres every week of our eight week deer season

I think most of us involved with some type of baiting are probably one of many in the area. I know of a dozen different bait sites on seven different properties within no more than a few hundred yards of my property line. I have no false illusions that if I dont bait, all the deer on my 350 acres are going to stay put and not walk 20 to 200 yards off my property to feed at a neighbor’s bait site. In fact, I know “my” deer use the neighbor’s bait sites because they show me pictures of “my” deer.

Knowing for fact that the deer that are prone to hitting bait sites are already doing it on the neighbors’ ground - If I add six bait sites myself to the existing 12 bait sites on the neighbors - for a total of 18 sites - is that not spreading the deer out as opposed to concentrating them as much? I have always read where the more the deer are concentrated, the more likely disease transmission will occur. Spreading them out is a good thing - right!

In my case, my records show we kill five times as many of the mounted deer on my wall in food plots as bait. I have probably 60 hunts on bait over the past four years for one particular deer and have never seen him. Our deer must be a different sub species than KY deer.

I know bait is effective. For my five and ten acre neighbors, it is the most effective way they can hunt. For me, my foodplots are - but my neighbors dont have the luxury of having thirty acres of food plots to hunt - so they hunt the most effective way they can. My bait sites are employed to decrease the effectiveness of their bait piles. If I never killed a deer we would never miss a meal. Some of my neighbors depend heavily on deer meat to eat, and I am out there blowing money like a high school girl with her daddy’s credit card - planting food plots, baiting, cultivating native plants, tsi - trying to keep them from killing deer. I could probably spend my annual deer management budget and buy most of them all the meat they could eat in year.

Do I feel good if I shoot a five year old 140” deer over a bait pile - yes I did - the one time I have done it. I have a lot time sitting on a bait pile and a lot of time sitting on a food plot. I dont see one being more better or worse than the other as as to how I feel when we kill a deer. I dont care if I kill it with a compound, crossbow, ML, or modern gun - I am proud of it no matter. Those big deer are hard to kill here - with anything.

Do I wish baiting was illegal - 100%. It costs me a lot of money and effort - and the deer hunting on my land was a lot better before all the neighbors started baiting - my food plots were the only artificial attractant for miles.

Do I wish forward facing sonar was illegal - yes I do - but I will use it until then. I know big game fishermen who think omni directional sonar is cheating. I wish our G&F would put a very small quota on non resident duck hunters on public land - but they dont and they swarm like maggots. I know a trapper who wishes AR did not allow year round trapping - a waste of fur he says. I know dyed in the wool predator hunters who think it should be illegal to use a thermal for coyotes.

If you only want to bow hunt (been there) - dont cuss the rifle hunters - that is your choice to restrict yourself.
Maybe it is not that KY has a subspecies of deer which are more killable in daylight than your state. Maybe it is because your deer has corn as a choice their entire life and at every few hundred yards. I would pick steak over green beans and apples but not if someone put steak in front of me every meal. Corn pile is a huge game changer here and I do not consider it fair chase. If everybody puts out corn it is the same as nobody puts out corn.
 
Maybe it is not that KY has a subspecies of deer which are more killable in daylight than your state. Maybe it is because your deer has corn as a choice their entire life and at every few hundred yards. I would pick steak over green beans and apples but not if someone put steak in front of me every meal. Corn pile is a huge game changer here and I do not consider it fair chase. If everybody puts out corn it is the same as nobody puts out corn.

I am not really sure that is the difference. In my area, I am the only one feeding corn, or anything else, outside of season, and our mature bucks typically dont use spin feeders - like all my neighbors use. We have never, in ten years of feeding corn, seen a mature buck at a corn feeder while we were hunting. We have a few pictures - but by far most of the mature buck activity on a bait site is where bait has been spread on the ground by hand or tractor or sxs spreader. A corn feeder would be the last place on my ground I would hunt for a mature buck. Hand spread feed would be the first place I would hunt before acorn drop. Acorns or food plots after that.
 
I really don’t want any more reports about this thread.

I’m in the middle of a kitchen remodel at my son’s house and when I get home at 10 PM. I don’t care who ticked you off. Unless you make me.
 
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