Back into Reloading......

I think Cortina is kind of an idiot, but maybe gun eccentric is better. I learned I can't get away with just neck sizing on my own, long before youtub. Not having the funds to buy a bushing die, and bump die, and not wanting more things to worry about I stuck with turning fl dies out to fit the chamber and haven't looked back. It is functionally better than neck sizing from what I can tell.

I do have a Lee collet die and did use it for while, and I feel the same about it, it's a great idea and I think it works the brass less than traditional dies. The only problem I ran in to was after a few firings I would need to bump the shoulder back, buy a bump die, and now I am doing in two steps what a FL die does in one, but I was not using a progressive at the time either. Maybe I should revisit this since it really would not add any time to my rifle process these days. I also wonder if the collet dies could eliminate the need for neck turning? I may have to try that since I now have one chamber that requires neck turning for thicker brass.

I doubt I invented this but I have not seen them for sale either, and this isn't my best example, but I came up with this after I started using cartridge gauges. It's not like something froggy invented, its far less useful, but I can measure my sized cases so I know they are within .003 or less of a hard closing bolt. For this gun it works out to exactly 1.630, or the same as a go gauge. Factory chambers are usually a few tho longer. But does it make difference? If it does I doubt I could measure it.


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I clean rifle brass because I can see the carbon, and the religion says it will scratch my expanders and such. And perhaps puts more garbage down the barrel, and the doctrine says thou shalt. In the days when I was using dry media and the little vibratory cleaner, yeh might as well not do it because it did nothing for carbon build up.

I tried to Viht 565 yesterday in the 243, at 43 grains and 44 grains it produced SDs around 12. All other charges produced SDs in the mid 20s. I love loads that are round numbers, and that's typically where I end up. Very seldom do I believe that 44.2 is better than 44 or whatever, I like rounding. For me, 1/10 grain load adjustments need to be made at the bench on that particular day to be effective.
 
39 grains of H5227 and a 300gr hornady head at saami length. Hopefully didnt over crimp. See the RCBS roll crimp section of the seating die rolled them in a bit after crimping about 1/2 of them with the lee collet crimper.

Got 25 loaded after a 10 year or so break from loading. Nick is pretty rough this past week, so might load some more tomorrow in 308. Going to start with saami length and load a few in 1 grain increments up with winchester 748, got AA2230 as an option to it.

See how I do with them, I also have reloader 10x, imr3031, and AA1680 to burn up. Might buy another gun in a caliber that likes all this powder. aa168 is good for 7.62x39, tempted to get some dies for that caliber again. Used to reload those the most. Reloader 10x is good with 223 in light heads. imr3031 is good for 308 and 30-30 got those already.
 
When I loaded up the 450 marlin, the case look half full. My digital scale would fire up, so I relied on the old balance beam. New scale is on order, I did weight them on a less accurate postal / food scale. Proved every one has powder. Before I switch the powder trickler to 308 or 30-30, I will weigh a few. I put a tuft of polyfill ontop of the powder. Might switch to fiber wads. This gun is used for stalk hunting, so powder will be swirled around in there a good bit. Might not really need to, I am 1/2 grain below min. Another reciepe used 39 grains in a 450 marlin as minimum, so probably ok. See how they shoot maybe in 2 weeks. Sunday there's nobody working in my brother-in-laws quarry.

Anybody got preferences for 30-30 or .308 loads? Going middle of the road here, no screaming hot, not light either. Got to admit, the 30-30 doesn't get out too often for hunting. 308 is stand hunting at farmland. I call it quits at 200 yards. Likely move it up to 230 this year, thats the far end of my clubs shooting range in the swamp.

Got 150gr winchester silver tips and maybe some hornady heads. USed to use remington 150gr heads in the 30-30, not sure if you can get those anymore. Have 150gr hornady round nose heads. IF it matters, a 4 shot tube glenfield model 30 with regular rifling, not the micro-groove. 1967 vintage. 308 is a savage axis 2.
 
I keep a small flashlight on the bench and always check with the flashlight that I have powder in every case before moving on to bullet seating. It’s a best practice in my opinion. I often don’t bother cleaning my brass for small runs up to say 50 rounds just use FL resized decaping die to bump the shoulder back 4 maybe 5 thousands. Then I’ll trim using a Lee trimmer with the case chucked up in a drill using a rag to remove excess lube because the case is spinning in this setup and if the brass needs it you can use 0000 steel wool or a scotch bright pad held against the brass. This will make brass shine like new if you desire it. If I’m loading 223 I normally tumble my brass because of the volume of brass using lizard litter available at pet stores it’s a much better tumbling medium than commercially available media sold for that purpose. Then I lube and resize and retumble to remove the lube then I set my dial caliper a couple thousands longer than trimmed brass length and run all the 223 brass thru the dial caliper so to speak if they slide thru no trimming needed if not they get trimmed after doing this a while I can usual visual identify the long cases and place into a pile for trimming before they even make it to the dial caliper. I have a Forester coax press that is likely my favorite press to use for most reloading and a Redding T7 Turret press both very nice presses. I like the much longer handle of the Redding T7 for sizing larger brass like for my 300PRC for 223 and 300 blackout I prefer the Forester coax press.
 
Anybody got preferences for 30-30 or .308 loads? Going middle of the road here, no screaming hot, not light either. Got to admit, the 30-30 doesn't get out too often for hunting. 308 is stand hunting at farmland. I call it quits at 200 yards. Likely move it up to 230 this year, thats the far end of my clubs shooting range in the swamp.

Got 150gr winchester silver tips and maybe some hornady heads. USed to use remington 150gr heads in the 30-30, not sure if you can get those anymore. Have 150gr hornady round nose heads. IF it matters, a 4 shot tube glenfield model 30 with regular rifling, not the micro-groove. 1967 vintage. 308 is a savage axis 2.

Hard to pick a bad option in 308 for whitetails inside 250 yards. Any expanding hunting bullet should treat a guy well. If i were to optimize for quick kills and blood trails I'd probably pick something like a 165 nosler ballistic tip.
 
Remington Core Loc't bullets have likely killed more deer than any others. Pretty reliable. Same goes for Hornady partitions.....never the best for accuracy....but they are dependable for medium ranges.

I buy factory loaded Remington in 308 for my hunting loads. Just dont get around to reloading 'em, and they are cheap and effective for my purposes. Been using the same lot for several years now.
 
No loads for the powders you mentioned. If you were starting from scratch... 30-35 years ago I had a heavy barreled .308 that was THE most accurate rifle I've ever owned. I did the crudest of handloading, had the cheapest scope and it still out shot every rifle/scope combo I've owned since, some costing 10x as much and more. I didn't know any better at the time and didn't appreciate just how amazing the rifle was, I got bored with it and sold it. Only to realize years later that I'd caught lightening in a bottle.

The load it liked best was 44.o gr of IMR4064 and a Noslar 150gr Ballistic tip. (I used to weight match them. For whatever reason the gun loved them. Any "better" match grade bullet I tried didn't shoot as well. And this was just a paper puncher, no hunting, so there was no reason to shoot them other than they shot amazing) Anyway... that's become my default "try it first" load for the half dozen or so 308's I've owned since then. None of them DIDN'T like it. It's not a screaming load by modern 308 standards, in the mid+ 2600's range but it gets the job done for deer, and where we hunt there's only one tiny spot you can shoot past woods distances anyway.

Recent powders shortages have had me "diversify" though, I'm loading for four 308's these days, so I've found two other powders that work well for half of them, don't like having all my eggs in one basket.
 
Anybody got preferences for 30-30 or .308 loads? Going middle of the road here, no screaming hot, not light either. Got to admit, the 30-30 doesn't get out too often for hunting. 308 is stand hunting at farmland. I call it quits at 200 yards. Likely move it up to 230 this year, thats the far end of my clubs shooting range in the swamp.

Got 150gr winchester silver tips and maybe some hornady heads. USed to use remington 150gr heads in the 30-30, not sure if you can get those anymore. Have 150gr hornady round nose heads. IF it matters, a 4 shot tube glenfield model 30 with regular rifling, not the micro-groove. 1967 vintage. 308 is a savage axis 2.
I load my 30-30 with 34.5 gr of W748 with a Hornady 150 gr RN
Don't have a 308 but I use the same W748 topped with a Nosler 150 gr Spitzer in my 300 Savage M99

I like to find powders that will work in more than cartridge and keep the inventory of different powders to a minimum.
 
When I was reloadin year ago, I would make my reloads match factory loads somewhat closely. If I was out of reloads or forgot ammo, I knew I could get this box and mot mess with the scope. I am not pushing any envelopes here. Get some more practice in so I get worse at tracking wounded deer......
 
For .308 and not something hot I would look to loads folks use in service rifles, camp perry kind of stuff. I know that 150 over 4064 is a popular one, varget, BLC2, 4895, are all great powders for .308. I have been shooting a lot of 168-175 grain slugs, and it's really hard to say what's working the best. They all work well.
 
For .308 and not something hot I would look to loads folks use in service rifles, camp perry kind of stuff. I know that 150 over 4064 is a popular one, varget, BLC2, 4895, are all great powders for .308. I have been shooting a lot of 168-175 grain slugs, and it's really hard to say what's working the best. They all work well.
Wanted 4895 and other more popular powders. Not in stock. Son-in-law has 2 service rifles. garand 308 conversion and a m1a too I think.
 
Wanted 4895 and other more popular powders. Not in stock. Son-in-law has 2 service rifles. garand 308 conversion and a m1a too I think.
H4895 has been MIA for what feels like going on 2 years now. Seems that ADI (manufacturer of the hodgdon "extreme" line) had to reformulate some powders and h4895 is rumored to become available again soon.

I use it a fair bit with 75 and 77 grain 223 loads, would be nice to have a little deeper stash but there is plenty of other powder on the shelf right now.
 
I started using Varget for one rifle, to "take eggs from the basket", then I couldn't get Varget. And then I couldn't get IMR4064.

I recently bought some TAC to try in one caliber, then saw someone suggesting it for .308 I tried it in a new to me rifle and stumbled on a load that shot great (for what the rifle is). But I was frightened, it chrono'd 2900+ fps. I was used to 2600-2700. When I looked into it, that was normal, but that's when I realized my traditional 4064 load was so "slow". lol Seemed to be a lot of variance in projected velocities with that load, so books saying it's spot on, others saying it's slow. That's why they're suggestions and speculations.

I did buy a whole bunch of Accurate 4064 at one point because it was so available and "cheap", which it still is. Never did try it in the .308
 
Wanted 4895 and other more popular powders. Not in stock. Son-in-law has 2 service rifles. garand 308 conversion and a m1a too I think.
One option is shooters world precision rifle. Selection is a lot better lately. Viht 530 would be a good one to try, but probably hard to find.
I have accumulated a lot of Accurate powder the past few years.
 
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Win 748 probably not going anywhere anytime soon. IMR 4227 don't seem to popular though....

Loading up 308 tonight.

I am using regular advertized overall length. Hitting the powder up a grain at a time. IF I go expand the length closer to the throat, does that change the sweet spot for powder? I never reallly did neck sizing or longer neck lnegth. Just made factory dimention loads that fit several rifles, mostly lever guns.

Had to set the bullets to 2.74" to get to the crimp cannular. Tried the lee crimp die, felt nothing until the base, like it didnt bite. didn't look like it either. Using winchester brass out of the bag. Loaded 43,44,46, and 48 grains of W748. 5 each except 44 did 10.

Will shoot next weekend. Going to gun show tomorrow.
 
My new loads let down yesterday viht 565, 43 and 44gr in a 243w. The week before I was getting SDs around 12, yesterday they doubled. Same everything, but colder weather. Back to the drawing board.
 
Tac works well in 223 with 75-77gr pills would likely also work well in 308 but I don’t have a 308 so I can’t say for curtain that’s the case Tac is about the cheapest powder available anymore. My white unicorn lately has been IMR 8208 my favorite powder for 223 with those heavy pills but been tough to find last couple years.
 
Leverevolution is another cheap/available ball powder that does well in 223 with the 75/77 grain bullets.
 
I like ball powder for bulk reloading, but i have had better luck with varget and 4895 for heavy slugs, but it does not flow as well.
 
Leverevolution is another cheap/available ball powder that does well in 223 with the 75/77 grain bullets.
That’s good info I’ll have to pick up some of the Leverevolution and give it a try.
 
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