Amateur hour

[Bigshooter19]

Here's a typical amateur in these parts. They walk through this field, IN THE DARK (take note bigshooter19), they blow all the deer out because they can't see the deer in the dark, but the deer do indeed see them in the dark (take note bigshooter19) and then they leave through the same route in the dark after quitting time and blow deer out. These guys have phd's in the education of deer. Then they complain because all the deer hang out on my place. So what do they do? They replace the homemade blind with a pop up and proceed to erect it FIVE YARDS from the base of my tree:mad:
90% of these bowhunting wizards are carrying crossbows.View attachment 11389

So you have a problem with stupid hunter walking in at dark? If your a true hunter and a good hunter you don't trespass you know where to go. If your afraid of the dark and I offend you I'm sorry. But when your closing your truck door I'll be closing the deal. You can send me all the info tell me who says what post pics but you will never see me walking in Durning light unless it's the afternoon. 90% of hunter that harvest 130+in deer will agree with me over you.

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[wklman]

Here's a typical amateur in these parts. They walk through this field, IN THE DARK (take note bigshooter19), they blow all the deer out because they can't see the deer in the dark, but the deer do indeed see them in the dark (take note bigshooter19) and then they leave through the same route in the dark after quitting time and blow deer out. These guys have phd's in the education of deer. Then they complain because all the deer hang out on my place. So what do they do? They replace the homemade blind with a pop up and proceed to erect it FIVE YARDS from the base of my tree:mad:
90% of these bowhunting wizards are carrying crossbows.View attachment 11389

Why not use them to your advantage instead of complaining about them? Move your stand in the woods, find a different way in, go in in the dark, and wait for them to push the deer to you. Sitting on a stand you know will be boogered by the neighbors is a recipe for tag soup.
If you learn your neighbors hunting habits and use them to your benefit success goes up way more in my opinion.

 

[NWWI]

Stupid people shouldn't have nice land!

 

[Bigshooter19]

Why not use them to your advantage instead of complaining about them? Move your stand in the woods, find a different way in, go in in the dark, and wait for them to push the deer to you. Sitting on a stand you know will be boogered by the neighbors is a recipe for tag soup.
If you learn your neighbors hunting habits and use them to your benefit success goes up way more in my opinion.

Couldn't have said it better my self!!!

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[Catscratch]

Lol, I'm finally in the top 10% ;)
I really don't mind when the neighbor's are ineffective hunters. I also have changed my hunting tactics many times in my lifetime, can't say I won't change again...

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[wklman]

Also why not educate that young hunter you have as a neighbor? Go over and talk to him and figure out a way that's beneficial for both of you. Complaining about him and taking his pic doesn't do either one of you any good. You want good neighbors, be a good neighbor.

 

[Tap]

So you have a problem with stupid hunter walking in at dark? If your a true hunter and a good hunter you don't trespass you know where to go. If your afraid of the dark and I offend you I'm sorry. But when your closing your truck door I'll be closing the deal. You can send me all the info tell me who says what post pics but you will never see me walking in Durning light unless it's the afternoon. 90% of hunter that harvest 130+in deer will agree with me over you.

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Hey, hunt how ever you want. Do what works best for your situation.
I've been at this for 46 years now and for the 1st half of those years, I did it your way. But for the last 20+ years, I've realized to adjust my tactic based on the situation at hand, and I get busted far fewer times than I did for the 1st 20 years.
Maybe your properties or deer density allows you great access and you can come and go as you please. But my access is pretty much through areas where the deer are during the pre dawn. I can't get through there without educating deer and you couldn't either.

I've actually trotted into a stand after dawn when I knew there were deer nearby and there was no possible way to sneak in. I purposely made noise, busting branches, crunching dry leaves or frozen snow, while blowing an occasional grunt. I SOUNDED like a buck running a doe. Bucks came to me because they heard me (or what they thought was another buck). But You can't use that tactic in the dark. I don't want them around me if I can't see to shoot 'em. Yeah, I used to sit in the dark for an hour in the morning. I can't tell you how often I had deer come to the sounds of my approach in the dark. They thought I was something other than a human so they came to investigate. They would come in and sometimes wind me. Other times I'd hear them come and then all would be quiet and, because it was too dark to see, I'd thought they'd left...only to scratch my nose or clear my throat and find out they were still under me while they turn themselves inside out. Yet another deer educated. The longer you sit in a stand, the faster that stand becomes worn out, so why would I want to be there when I can't even see to shoot or make other observations or adjustments?

Even in those days when I entered early, I seldom saw or shot deer at the crack of dawn. I see and/or kill far more deer between 8am and 10am. I'm talking about hunting the rut when daylight movement is greater.
And yes, not always, but sometimes I climb down a little early in the evening. If I have to exit through an area like a field that holds deer at dusk, I need to get through there before they arrive. I can say the same for actually climbing down the tree. Nothing worse than having deer around you in the dark when it's time to get down. Especially on a damp evening when you can't hear them walking. You think the coast is clear, but when you start getting ready to get down, you find out they were still there and now they're educated and know exactly where your stand is. Those deer will come next time LOOKING for you in the stand...I guarantee it.
I'm not afraid of the dark, but I am afraid of educating deer when I don't have to. Some say I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late. I'd rather be a minute early than an hour early.

 

[Bigshooter19]

Can't blow on a grunt call in the dark?

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[Tap]

Also why not educate that young hunter you have as a neighbor? Go over and talk to him and figure out a way that's beneficial for both of you. Complaining about him and taking his pic doesn't do either one of you any good. You want good neighbors, be a good neighbor.

I've tried. Like talking to a concrete block. I've observed these guys wrecking their own hunting for several years now. I have tried to help them. It fell on deaf ears.
I want them to be better hunters. Their ineptitude degrades the quality of the hunts of everyone around them...not just theirs or mine.

There have been posts on this thread where guys have counted how often someone calls, or rattles. When we are surrounded by these "amateurs", it only makes it more difficult for the rest of us. I seldom tree call any longer because around here, when you blow one, that mature buck is gonna circle downwind almost every time, because they hear more goof balls grunting than a proctologist hears.

 

[Bigshooter19]

Hey, hunt how ever you want. Do what works best for your situation.
I've been at this for 46 years now and for the 1st half of those years, I did it your way. But for the last 20+ years, I've realized to adjust my tactic based on the situation at hand, and I get busted far fewer times than I did for the 1st 20 years.
Maybe your properties or deer density allows you great access and you can come and go as you please. But my access is pretty much through areas where the deer are during the pre dawn. I can't get through there without educating deer and you couldn't either.

I've actually trotted into a stand after dawn when I knew there were deer nearby and there was no possible way to sneak in. I purposely made noise, busting branches, crunching dry leaves or frozen snow, while blowing an occasional grunt. I SOUNDED like a buck running a doe. Bucks came to me because they heard me (or what they thought was another buck). But You can't use that tactic in the dark. I don't want them around me if I can't see to shoot 'em. Yeah, I used to sit in the dark for an hour in the morning. I can't tell you how often I had deer come to the sounds of my approach in the dark. They thought I was something other than a human so they came to investigate. They would come in and sometimes wind me. Other times I'd hear them come and then all would be quiet and, because it was too dark to see, I'd thought they'd left...only to scratch my nose or clear my throat and find out they were still under me while they turn themselves inside out. Yet another deer educated. The longer you sit in a stand, the faster that stand becomes worn out, so why would I want to be there when I can't even see to shoot or make other observations or adjustments?

Even in those days when I entered early, I seldom saw or shot deer at the crack of dawn. I see and/or kill far more deer between 8am and 10am. I'm talking about hunting the rut when daylight movement is greater.
And yes, not always, but sometimes I climb down a little early in the evening. If I have to exit through an area like a field that holds deer at dusk, I need to get through there before they arrive. I can say the same for actually climbing down the tree. Nothing worse than having deer around you in the dark when it's time to get down. Especially on a damp evening when you can't hear them walking. You think the coast is clear, but when you start getting ready to get down, you find out they were still there and now they're educated and know exactly where your stand is. Those deer will come next time LOOKING for you in the stand...I guarantee it.
I'm not afraid of the dark, but I am afraid of educating deer when I don't have to. Some say I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late. I'd rather be a minute early than an hour early.

And talk about educating deer nothing like hunter walking around in his woods blowing on a grunt call at day break and getting down from your stand in prime time. You don't want to educate deer please tell me your just joking. You can't tell me you really believe that you not making deer aware that your in there?

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[chummer]

You have to remember some of these guys don't actually care if they get a deer. My FIL and his buddies aren't even awake when I go out and that is just before first light. They drink thier pot of coffee, take two or three dumps and stumble out around 830. They have shot two deer in 27 years at this camp and you won't find a group of happier hunters. I took me several years of moving stands and figuring out areas they never go before my success increased. I have fun shooting deer and they have fun not shooting deer. To each their own, but you can definitely use their sloppiness to your advantage.

 

[Tap]

Can't blow on a grunt call in the dark?

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Sure you can, but what do you do when a buck responds? Cripe, you don't even know if it's a 1 horn spike or a world record. And before it even gets light, he either loses interest and leaves, or he busts you and leaves never to return again.

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[NWWI]

I think a lot of the entrance timing is very site specific. It depends if you are hunting bedding areas, transition zones or a feeding area. They all have ideal way to do it.

 

[Big Snow Man]

My dad and I once crossed some public land to get onto the edge of our property. We were walking in about a half hour before first light and a bullet zipped over our heads. Never again I wait until I can make out where I'm going. I now have my own property and still do that.

 

[Tap]

I think a lot of the entrance timing is very site specific. It depends if you are hunting bedding areas, transition zones or a feeding area. They all have ideal way to do it.

Bingo

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[Natty Bumppo]

I think a lot of the entrance timing is very site specific. It depends if you are hunting bedding areas, transition zones or a feeding area. They all have ideal way to do it.

I was about to comment with the same thought. Not sure if anybody is right or wrong here about the way it should or shouldn't be done. I have stands I would NEVER hunt in the AM, some I would ONLY hunt if I could get in an hour before dawn, some I would ONLY hunt after dawn, etc. Then for any given stand and my ability to hunt them pre-dawn vs, dawn vs. post dawn...throw in wind direction, snow vs no snow, loud snow vs. quiet powder, wet leaves vs, dry and loud, calm and dead silent vs. breezy, full moon and bright vs. no moon and pitch black...and that all just complicates the decision making process. I'm guessing it's the same for most serious hunters who have to make that call every AM they take to the field. To simply state that one should NEVER hunt pre-dawn or that one should ALWAYS get in an hour early is just too simplistic.

As for the amateurs...I don't know? That was probably me when I was young and eager and had an unbridled and naive enthusiasm for the hunt. Some guys just want to get out and get some fresh air, sit in a tree, and have a few beers with buddies when it's all done. If somebody happens to get a deer...great. I can't fault them for that. I suppose listening to somebody blowing on a deer call for 5 hours gets old. That's why I hunt deep woods swamps and the mountains where few hunters can be found.

 

[John-W-WI]

It always amazes me when I watch the "my way is the only way" discussions.

Hard to believe, and watch.

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[Tap]

It always amazes me when I watch the "my way is the only way" discussions.

Hard to believe, and watch.

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Just so you know...I'm not saying my way is the only way. I'm only trying to add some perspective on the ideas of what some feel is amateur.


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[NWWI]

It always amazes me when I watch the "my way is the only way" discussions.

Hard to believe, and watch.

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I guess what I was trying to get at more is the fact that 10 years ago most deer camps were vacant until gun season. Now it seems like every camp I see is up and cranking away full of people. It shows how popular deer hunting has become and for me marks the end of pattern able hunting. The best funnel or food plot is useless if the next to you shows up and decides to build a deer stand on Saturday afternoon before gun season. I'm thinking most of us have those things planned out way in advance, but it sure can be frustrating!

 

[Bigshooter19]

My way isn't the only way. Lots of great hunters do there only thing and have great success. If how ever someone chooses to hunt is great for them. I'm just saying if your sitting in your stand and see someone walking in to there stand blowing on a grunt tube most hunter would sit there in shake there head. He doesn't want to educate deer and says the always go down wind when the here the grunt call than why do it? People that hunt with me know I take it very seriously. I always tell people youth hunters there parents a true trophy is in the eye of the beholder might only be 100 in but if your proud I'm happy. If anyone wants to go in half hr after first light and get down half hr before dark have at it. If they put a bbd I'll be the first to congratulate them. But if you tell me I'm wrong you'll never change my mind and how I feel about it.

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