Ohio kids shoots escaped monster high fence deer.

[West Branch]

LOL..Now you are starting to sound like the QDMA quacks that say they have no problem with a deer killed behind fence as long as a boy deer and a girl deer had sex to make that deer. If not then high fence is not fair. Whatever..

Fact is it was high fence and deer farms that supplied the deer to repopulate. Period.

LOL. So they didn't let wild deer come over the border from other states to repopulate? Per your comment the high fence was deer corral and 100 deer escaped from it! Those must have been the wild deer from other states while the farm raised deer stayed in the corral! I will say that those wild deer that escaped did a lot of the repopulating while the high fence deer were still stuck in the corral. PERIOD. LOL its fun to make assumptions like that.

 

[Jeff23]

so what you're saying is that there is absolutely no genetic modification, hormone enhancing, feed supplements, line breeding etc...... going on in the deer industry?

No, not in the way you're thinking, yes, yes- although I don't think some of these things mean what you're implying.

 

[wiscwhip]

This whole thread looks like it has turned into a Democrat trying to convince everyone that Obamacare is a good thing.

 

[Jeff23]

This whole thread looks like it has turned into a Democrat trying to convince everyone that Obamacare is a good thing.

No- the democrats would be trying to impose over-reaching regulation on a red-blooded capitalist freedom lover.

 

[Four Seasons]

LOL. So they didn't let wild deer come over the border from other states to repopulate? Per your comment the high fence was deer corral and 100 deer escaped from it! Those must have been the wild deer from other states while the farm raised deer stayed in the corral! I will say that those wild deer that escaped did a lot of the repopulating while the high fence deer were still stuck in the corral. PERIOD. LOL its fun to make assumptions like that.

Not sure where you are pulling this bull from but fact is that i was asked to show proof that deer were repopulated from high fence and from deer farms and the proof was shown. Now for some to twist the facts around are the ones that cant handle to truth for what it is and try and turn it to make themselves feel better.

If you were one of the winners from the work they did with farms in the past you should be thankful because regardless of how long ago it was..if it came from a farm your state got better genetics than anything they had in the wild. Which is why Ohio has always had a great wild deer population.

 

[wklman]

..if it came from a farm your state got better genetics than anything they had in the wild. Which is why Ohio has always had a great wild deer population.

I'm calling flat out bullshit on this one. There's no factual basis to back this up. It was 80+ years ago and your telling me they had better genetics in deer farms then in wild populations. They didn't even know about genetics then let alone breed for them.

 

[Four Seasons]

I'm calling flat out bullshit on this one. There's no factual basis to back this up. It was 80+ years ago and your telling me they had better genetics in deer farms then in wild populations. They didn't even know about genetics then let alone breed for them.

Why were they behind fence in the first place? There are no deer farms with lesser genetics than in the wild today so who is to know...Point is...They came from farms..Again.

 

[West Branch]

Why were they behind fence in the first place? There are no deer farms with lesser genetics than in the wild today so who is to know...Point is...They came from farms..Again.

My post before was mainly joking, taking part of your other post and adding some of my own bull. My point was the same as yours, who is to know... so you are taking some facts and than adding on to them to fit your agenda. Can't prove it wrong so it must be right?

Yes, to repopulate whiletails some of the deer came from deer farms. Nobody is arguing that. The tenuous argument linking it to the current genetics is what I find amusing.

 

[wklman]

so who is to know....

that is my point exactly. You stated as fact that

..if it came from a farm your state got better genetics than anything they had in the wild.

which I called out as bullshit. No one knows for sure and for you to say one way or another is wrong.

 

[Four Seasons]

that is my point exactly. You stated as fact that
which I called out as bullshit. No one knows for sure and for you to say one way or another is wrong.

Hey my whole point and start of this thing was to show how deer farms helped the real world today. Be it this year in Texas or 50 years ago in Ohio. It still helps in todays world. This buck that this young fella killed bred does and did nothing but improve the future genetics of that local herd. 99.9% of local hunters, if givin the chance would have said...Leave that boy alone and breed every doe he can find. No Doubts.

 

[West Branch]

I did some googling about deer farming history. I found this USDA report from 1908.

http://www.kansascervidbreeders.com/images/Deer-Farming-report-from-1908.pdf

The deer being farmed at that time were being farmed for venison. No mentions of trophy animals in that article. So even though they did not have much knowledge of genetics at that time, any selective breeding they would have tried to do would be for meat production. Some of the bigger bodied deer I have seen don't have record sized antlers. So the genetics those farm raised deer would have been more geared towards meat production than today's antler porn. So in the wild deer that repopulated had the big antlers while the farm raised deer had higher body weights ;)

 

[sandbur]

Please remember what better genetics really is.

It might not be trophy bucks, but could be larger body mass in northern climates or it could mean longer legs in areas with deep snow.

I occasionally see a catalog of sales for domestic deer, for breeding stock or for semen. I see pictures of bucks with huge racks and can not remember seeing any mention of breeding for longer legs or larger body mass so these deer can be released in northern states.

Better genetics does not always mean bigger racks.

Deer farms are managing a domestic animal for a specific market which seldom includes release into the wild.

 

[Reagan]

I guess I'm one of the 0.1%.

As stated above a deer that was farmed 50 years ago was not a 200+ inch genetic freak. There may have been some benefit to deer farming when there were few deer. But today deer farming is doing more to damage deer hunting than help. Genetic freak antler porn. Disease. Nature did not intend for a deer to be shipped hundreds of miles.

You love to reference how hunters bring animals caucuses back from hunting trips out west. It is unregulated and unchecked. Bad for the herd right? But shipping an CWD deer from one state to another is a good thing? You are a hypocrite that only participates on this site to agitate people with no positive contribution.

I apologize. Strengthening my dislike of the canned deer hunting industry is a positive that you do deliver quite well.

 

[foggy]

I will ignore this thread.
I will ignore this thread.
I will ignore this thread.

 

[dipper]

I will ignore this thread.
I will ignore this thread.
I will ignore this thread.

I must be learning something. Zipping my mouth

 

[MoBuckChaser]

I must be learning something. Zipping my mouth

We could turn this place and Thread into the dark side with a few well placed comments.

I am doing my best to keep my fingers from achieving that!

But I am getting itchy!:eek:

 

[Four Seasons]

I guess I'm one of the 0.1%.

As stated above a deer that was farmed 50 years ago was not a 200+ inch genetic freak. There may have been some benefit to deer farming when there were few deer. But today deer farming is doing more to damage deer hunting than help. Genetic freak antler porn. Disease. Nature did not intend for a deer to be shipped hundreds of miles.

You love to reference how hunters bring animals caucuses back from hunting trips out west. It is unregulated and unchecked. Bad for the herd right? But shipping an CWD deer from one state to another is a good thing? You are a hypocrite that only participates on this site to agitate people with no positive contribution.

I apologize. Strengthening my dislike of the canned deer hunting industry is a positive that you do deliver quite well.

Well lets me see who the hypocrite really is? I do have a problem with deer coming out of UNTESTED farms going anywhere across the country. I do have a problem with all states with CWD anywhere in them, that do not close their borders to all non-resident hunters. I do have a problem with a farmer cutting his corn in a red hot CWD zone in Wisconsin and selling it to a producer just to have that untested, possible CWD positive, corn processed and sold from one end of the country to the other. I do have a problem with a farmer from Iowa cutting and selling bale after bale of untested Alfalfa all across the country.
You on the other hand only have a problem with a deer moving across state lines even when the fact is it is the one and only possible CWD vector that is from a TESTED place. So in my book it would be you my friend that is the hypocrite!

But look on the bright side. Farms helped save your population in the past and they will be there to save your future because if this CWD crap ever does go viral and kills all these deer in the wild, we will still have pens full of clean,vaccinated,tested whitetails to repopulate the states again. Your Welcome!

 

[Ben.MN/WI]

Well lets me see who the hypocrite really is? I do have a problem with deer coming out of UNTESTED farms going anywhere across the country. I do have a problem with all states with CWD anywhere in them, that do not close their borders to all non-resident hunters. I do have a problem with a farmer cutting his corn in a red hot CWD zone in Wisconsin and selling it to a producer just to have that untested, possible CWD positive, corn processed and sold from one end of the country to the other. I do have a problem with a farmer from Iowa cutting and selling bale after bale of untested Alfalfa all across the country.
You on the other hand only have a problem with a deer moving across state lines even when the fact is it is the one and only possible CWD vector that is from a TESTED place. So in my book it would be you my friend that is the hypocrite!

But look on the bright side. Farms helped save your population in the past and they will be there to save your future because if this CWD crap ever does go viral and kills all these deer in the wild, we will still have pens full of clean,vaccinated,tested whitetails to repopulate the states again. Your Welcome!

I'm sure the zombie bucks that can barely hold their heads up with their 350" racks will do really well in our current predator rich environments.

We'll let you keep your pet deer if you let us keep our habitat website.

 

[Four Seasons]

I'm sure the zombie bucks that can barely hold their heads up with their 350" racks will do really well in our current predator rich environments.

We'll let you keep your pet deer if you let us keep our habitat website.

Yes one would think when the whitetail deer is the most sought after trophy in the country and CWD prions being found in grains and alfalfa this would be tops somewhere in your Habitat Website..That would be if some care about such a thing? As some has shown over and over...Its far from CWD being the real root of the problem.

 

[foggy]

Yes one would think when the whitetail deer is the most sought after trophy in the country and CWD prions being found in grains and alfalfa this would be tops somewhere in your Habitat Website..That would be if some care about such a thing? As some has shown over and over...Its far from CWD being the real root of the problem.

^ Guy kinda reminds me of the reality news programs - just looking to light fuses, piss somebody off, or stir the pot. We could discuss these topics....but I'd rather do it with folks that are sensible. How do you vote folks off the habitat island? This is the FIRST THREAD which I have seen that has gone "south". ;)