White Pines, Oaks, and Blackberry Briers

Native Hunter

5 year old buck +
This is what it looks like out in the middle of the 12 year old tree planting. Total planting was 11 - 12 acres.









Bordered on the east side by 3, 1200 foot long rows of fruit and nut trees and a native grass field that was mowed yesterday.

 
That is just sweet!
 
Planning to cut any 10 yard openings for bedrooms?
 
Nice and thick in there, looks great!
 
Thanks Guys. I just love working at that place.

I'm going to try to keep doing a little bushogging on a limited basis (maybe once in spring) to keep trash trees down and leave some space for weeds and briers to keep growing. I can still mow some of the rows, but at the best growth spots the canopy has closed. But I can worm my way around as necessary with the tractor and hog.

And it scary how much fruit and nuts I'm going to be dropping this year on the east side. It took a while but this thing is coming together.

And believe it or not - some of my oaks are making pollen already this year. I could even have acorns from the trees I set.
 
Impressive work there. Nice job!
 
Really looks good, great to see the hard work paying off.
 
Looks great Native! Those young conifers look to be putting on some good growth already this spring.
 
I think I saw a family of gorillas peeking out of the jungle in pic #2.

No self-respecting game animal / bird would pass up that tangle of goodies. Fruits, nuts, evergreens, plots of clover/alfalfa/chicory, native grass, briars, weed fields ........... yep - you've really messed-up the place, Native !!! :D

Since you didn't go the condo / strip mall route, I'll bet you're gonna have a number of really good bucks, does and spots running around your place this year. And for a long time going forward !! Turkeys & rabbits too. Great job Native !!! Really nice looking place. Any turkeys chasing the mowers for the bugs this time ???
 
I think I saw a family of gorillas peeking out of the jungle in pic #2.

No self-respecting game animal / bird would pass up that tangle of goodies. Fruits, nuts, evergreens, plots of clover/alfalfa/chicory, native grass, briars, weed fields ........... yep - you've really messed-up the place, Native !!! :D

Since you didn't go the condo / strip mall route, I'll bet you're gonna have a number of really good bucks, does and spots running around your place this year. And for a long time going forward !! Turkeys & rabbits too. Great job Native !!! Really nice looking place. Any turkeys chasing the mowers for the bugs this time ???

You can see why I get my work done early in the spring and get my rear end out for the rest of the year. It might not be safe in that jungle.:eek:

When the coyote hunter went back after we mowed the fields he saw turkeys at 5 or 6 places taking advantage of the bushogging. But not a yote to be seen. I think they are learning it isn't safe to be around.:D

We don't have any gorillas, but I'm expecting Big Foot any day...LOL.
 
What all did you plant in there?
 
Native - do you have a "diagram" of what you have there - to give us ideas of crating our own "jungle".
 
Guys, I do have a diagram, and I do have a list of everything planted. One evening soon I will get it together and post it.

I will go ahead and give some information now: I planted rows 13 feet apart, and if I had it to do over I would have made it 15 feet or possibly more. Once trees start getting big they take up a lot of space. But you can also thin as you desire. I made the mistake of planting some yellow poplars in with this and planted too many. I've been thinning some out the last two years to keep them from shading the oaks and pines. I like a few dappled here and there but those things grow rapidly.

My goal is to keep some of the areas with a little space between trees for two reasons:

1. I want enough sunlight to keep reaching the lower limbs of the white pines so that they don't self prune. White Pine is great for this because they will hold their limbs better than any other conifer I have seen with reduced light.

2. I wanted enough sunlight to keep some undergrowth (briers and weeds) at a few places. It will be a dappled effect with open spots and thicker spots.

I had to mow this early on to give the trees I planted an advantage over the sweet gums. They were like a plague here. Now that I've given the good trees the advantage, the gums will try to come back, but never be able to do anything. The first years are the hardest ones.

I did the fruit and nut planting on the east side that faces a NWSG field. Then, before the tall timber (oaks and pines) starts on the west side, there is a couple of rows of various shrubs that will tolerate some shade. By doing this, I ensure that the fruit and nut planting gets a whole morning of sun and even well into the afternoon before the tall trees will shade them.

More to come later on. Thanks for the interest.
 
The trees were planted in the spring of (2006 or 2005?).

I set around 12 acres in trees, which joins together two other small pieces of woodland on my property. The result is about 30 acres of continuous woodland.
The rows in the new part are 13 feet apart to facilitate mowing for the first few years and the trees were set 7 feet apart within each row. Some die, and you can always thin if necessary.

In the picture below you see what looks like a yellow cowboy boot. That’s the tree planting. I planted white pine 3 or 4 deep for screening on the bottom of the boot where it borders a county road that ends at my gate.

Red is the property line and all fields are now in NWSGs. Food plots are outlined in green. White boxes are current stand locations. Blue is ponds and the stream.
On the side facing my other land (the east side) I planted the smaller type fruit and nut trees facing a pasture (which is now NWSGs) so that they would get lots of sunshine and be productive. The first three rows of trees on this side are mostly the small ones that produce fruit and nuts. Then before you get to the taller trees (to the west), there are two rows of shrubs. The shrubs are also mixed in with the fruit and nut trees in the first three rows.

Over the years as I did maintenance and had to replace some trees, I added some variety. The following list contains the ones set originally + the ones I added later on.

Large Trees Planted:
White Oak
Swamp White Oak
Chinkapin Oak
Post Oak
Bur Oak
Overcup Oak
Cherry Bark Oak
Northern Red Oak
Pin Oak
Pecan (pretty much lost all of them)
White Pine (Screen the road and other places + mixed in the planting)
Yellow Poplar (too many and thinning now)
Norway Spruce (a few in the last few years to fill some holes)
Black Walnut (just a few – most died anyway)
Green Ash (not many and most didn’t do well)
Eastern Hemlock (don’t have many but love them)

Fruit, Nut and Shrub:
Persimmon (seedlings + a few grafted)
Pawpaw
Elderberry
Chinese Chestnut (probably have 30 or more – some very nice now)
Dunstan Chestnut (just a few)
Arrowwood Viburnum
Serviceberry
Wild Plum (two varieties)
Red Osier Dogwood
Mulberry (white and red)
Witch Hazel
Hazelnut (American and European)
Domestic Pear (several different varieties)
Domestic apple (several different varieties)
Crabapple (several different varieties)
Domestic Cherry trees (several sprouts from my FIL’s yard)
Sawtooth (got about 10 by accident but planted them)

The first year those trees were planted, when it came time to mow I had to have my dad walk in front of the tractor at some places to keep me out of the rows. You couldn’t even see the trees for the grass. That area was a fescue field when we started.

I know I’m leaving out some that I can’t remember, but you get the idea – lots of diversity.
Briers got so bad by the second year, I literally had to take a shovel and beat them off the top of the trees. Once the trees finally got their head above the briers, they were headed for the sky.

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Was protection from browsing a sheer numbers game or did you have to do anything else?
 
Wish I would have done this 12 years ago:oops:
 
Was protection from browsing a sheer numbers game or did you have to do anything else?

None of the oaks and pines were protected. They never seemed to bother the oaks but I thought I would never get pines established, because they kept eating the tops out. Then when I would finally get a pine above their heads, a buck would tear it all to pieces. I had them to rub pines within 25 feet of the highway.

I just kept replacing trees as they were destroyed. I still have a few holes and finally put some cages around some pines in the rear (top of the boot).

If you planted a pine in an open spot right now it wouldn't have a chance. The deer numbers has increased a great deal since I started this.

What I found to save the pines was to let briers grow up all around them really thick. I would just keep a hole cut out of the top. I still occasionally have a pine destroyed every fall, but some of them are so big that they will survive a hit. I noticed a pine the other day that was set at the same time as those tall ones. It was only 5 feet high, but coming back. I remember when that one got hit, because it was close to my gate.

Nearly all of the fruit trees had to be protected except for chestnut, persimmon, witch hazel, paw paw, and service berry. They didn't browse those, but then my heart sank when I got my first chestnut to bearing age, and a buck ripped it apart. All of the other stuff was protected with cages. I found that if a tree was set within a foot of the 4 strand barbed wire fence that they would never try to rub it. I guess they got their horns hung in the fence and didn't like it.

The protection thing has been a problem, but I now have cages around my best pears and apples.
 
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Wish I would have done this 12 years ago:oops:

I just keep planting trees even now. There is always a hole to fill or a new idea on where I want something. I also have at least 30 persimmons in those first three rows, and I'm going to be grafting some of those next year.

Now I'm establishing another fruit and nut orchard in the low ground next to the low plots. I'm doing a better job down there and not being ripped apart by working near briers.:D

There is no time like the present to start. I wish I could do this every day for the rest of my life.
 
I remember once my FIL gave me 4 big domestic cherry sprouts that came up near a tree in his yard. They were beautiful and too tall for the tops to be browsed. I planted them and though, "I will come back next week and put up cages to keep them from getting rubbed." Next week I came back to do the caging and the two best ones had been ripped to pieces.

But, I looked at the glass half full instead of half empty and said, "I still have two nice trees."

You've got to keep a positive attitude to make something like this succeed.
 
Here is a pic from the top of the yellow boot on the east side this spring. You will note a gap at the fence line where no trees are planted. This is a spot I can see over the top of the grass from the tower blind 200 yards away into an open spot in the planting.



I get stuff started in my yard at home and then transplant it in my trees. This is one of 4 hazelnuts that I transplanted and caged this year.

Funny thing is that now I must protect almost everything if it's in an open spot. The deer numbers are more now, so the browsing is heavier.

 
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