Wassup peeps?!?!?!?

[bat man]

Thayer - I don't know what kind of line the uppers at QDMA fed you but it is only one side of the story. To accept it as fact was not prudent.

Local chapters were told to back away from MDDI. QDMA had a better plan and were going to address the issue. It was a lie.

Kip himself announced QDMA was in conversations with our MN deer team and was leading the charge. Our MN deer team leader says on such conversations took place.`

We requested they put their name on some science based facts they generated and they refused.

They had no plans to help. And many felt it appropriate to let the public know they were being deceived by the group they fund.

 

[foggy]

^ Yup. And don't try to join the "Branch" at Pequot Lakes......like I did for FIVE years. Because it doesn't exist - never has - and they will ban you for saying so.....without warning and without discussion. ;)

My life goes on just fine without the Q organization.....and the minions there. :)

 

[Oswald]

I'm going to make this real easy!

Welcome Thayer,
I hope you decide to stay and contribute.

Having said that, your first post begged for argument. I'm sure you had your reason as do the the posters that took the bait (and should have left crickets chirp.)

Please stay and contribute but do it without further mention of QDMA. I did a little looking and you being a former Mod should know the position I'm in.

Other than spam I've only used the ban button once. I don't want to use it again.

 

[dipper]

Thayer it's really not worth it with these guys. They have their minds 100% made up, and they have 0 interest in listening to anything! I've been having fun with that since this site started.
Like I said earlier, it's like a bunch of bullies ganging up on someone during recess time.
They are going to get a very good education in what the social leg of deer management is. I've tried to help them but they are so focused on their witch, they will stomp on anything that resembles resistance.
Kip and qdma are educated and they clearly understand "soft touch" that is necessary to change people's minds. I think some of them are just to arrogant to realize the door swings both ways.
If people keep hammering every single deer they see in mn, they are happy. If the farmers want every deer shot on their land, it's gonna happen! I forsee the cops getting called once one of these jarheads meets the tone this movements leadership conveys on this site.
Your only gonna change people who want to change. We are all products of that. Thayer makes many great points. This movement demanded instant gratification from qdma. This movement clearly demands instant gratification from the public.
Good luck, we are all examples of how it's difficult to change bull headed type a's, who had their minds made up. Being anti qdma is not going to help your cause. Like it or not they are respected nationwide, with all the credentials. Would have been a invaluable resource for your front line movement. Wait, isn't that what they do anyway? Hmmmmm, who's the smart one here?
I've always held my own with bullies for a variety of reasons. I also don't take it personally some of you guys are all around not nice people. But I'll continue to try to help. Swallow your pride and make up with qdma. If u want to live with what they did in the past, don't expect change in the future!
Who's Oswald by the way?

 

[wklman]

Let it go dip. Thayer doesn't need defending and most everything has been aired out thats going to be aired out. You're just trying to stoke a fire that doesn't need anymore fuel.

 

[SD51555]

Yep.

 

[wiscwhip]

Dipper, go take your bi-polar meds and troll for some salmon.

 

[Bowsnbucks]

From a ways off ......

You guys talk about educating the public as a means of putting pressure on legislators - from any state for that matter - but there's one problem inherent here. In ALL states, the vast majority of the general public DOES NOT HUNT !!! They have no dog in the race. They don't give a sh## if there are good numbers of deer or not. They feel better if they don't hit them on the highway or have them eating their flowers. So trying to develop a tidal wave of public pressure is very tough at best. In fact ....... much of the public is ANTI-HUNTING - which makes it even harder.

To give this even more perspective ........ The politicians have the public arguing amongst themselves over how to medically insure THEIR OWN FAMILIES !!!! Many are convinced that they should go it alone and buy their own medical insurance on wages that were "good " back in 1980 !!!!! If you can't get people to care about their own families' medical coverage, how can you expect the largely anti - hunting public to get behind a push to increase deer numbers ??? For hunters ???

Even further, hunter numbers are on the decline nation-wide, no doubt in part to fewer deer , pheasants, etc. and loss of habitat that sustains. Nothing spells deer, pheasants, and woodcock like another strip mall, bank, or fast food joint, and lots of pavement. So we have fewer " soldiers " in the fight against an apathetic public.

I have hunting & fishing in my bone marrow as did my Dad and all my uncles and cousins. I'd like great conditions as much or more than anybody. But looking at the whole landscape of the battle to preserve this heritage, I had to bring up a wider view of the struggle. Looking for a huge public outcry is a pipe dream, if they can't arrive at a common sense solution on medical insurance, they sure don't give a crap about deer numbers for hunters. Especially when most of the public doesn't hunt. ( and NO, I'm not saying throw in the towel, by any means ) Just pointing out the steepness of the climb.

 

[BuckSutherland]

At the same time Bows you have to respect how a small minority of people can be quite persuasive and get their way on certain issues. Certainly what the native tribes have been able to accomplish in MN is a prime example. There are very few people that agree with the sweet deals the tribes have in place. Another good example would be the howling for wolves people. They have laughable membership, money and power. Yet they were able to completely stop wolf hunting across several states. A big turnout at one of there events was 2 dozen people.

Like I said before I hope the movement we have is just in its infancy and that we will be part of the conversation for a long time. Maybe we need to start having conventions to elect president and all that good crap.

 

[sandbur]

From a ways off ......

You guys talk about educating the public as a means of putting pressure on legislators - from any state for that matter - but there's one problem inherent here. In ALL states, the vast majority of the general public DOES NOT HUNT !!! They have no dog in the race. They don't give a sh## if there are good numbers of deer or not. They feel better if they don't hit them on the highway or have them eating their flowers. So trying to develop a tidal wave of public pressure is very tough at best. In fact ....... much of the public is ANTI-HUNTING - which makes it even harder.

To give this even more perspective ........ The politicians have the public arguing amongst themselves over how to medically insure THEIR OWN FAMILIES !!!! Many are convinced that they should go it alone and buy their own medical insurance on wages that were "good " back in 1980 !!!!! If you can't get people to care about their own families' medical coverage, how can you expect the largely anti - hunting public to get behind a push to increase deer numbers ??? For hunters ???

Even further, hunter numbers are on the decline nation-wide, no doubt in part to fewer deer , pheasants, etc. and loss of habitat that sustains. Nothing spells deer, pheasants, and woodcock like another strip mall, bank, or fast food joint, and lots of pavement. So we have fewer " soldiers " in the fight against an apathetic public.

I have hunting & fishing in my bone marrow as did my Dad and all my uncles and cousins. I'd like great conditions as much or more than anybody. But looking at the whole landscape of the battle to preserve this heritage, I had to bring up a wider view of the struggle. Looking for a huge public outcry is a pipe dream, if they can't arrive at a common sense solution on medical insurance, they sure don't give a crap about deer numbers for hunters. Especially when most of the public doesn't hunt. ( and NO, I'm not saying throw in the towel, by any means ) Just pointing out the steepness of the climb.

You are correct, Bows. but on a local front, nearly every family in our communities has a hunter. Most families have several hunters.
The state high school shooting clay teams and tournament has also added greatly to our numbers. I am not sure exactly where the numbers are, but shooting clays is our fastest growing high school sport. We are well over 200 participating schools in the state and most schools have junior and senior level teams. Are there any of those in Pa?

 

[Bowsnbucks]

Bur - Not that I'm aware of, but I should check into it.

When I'm talking numbers of hunters as a % of the public as a whole, hunters are in the minority. Competitive shooters don't necessarily hunt. Even states with big hunter numbers Texas, Mich., Pa. - hunters still are in the minority. In Pa., we have around 1 million licensed hunters out of 14 million residents. That number used to be 1.25 to 1.5 million hunters. A couple years ago when deer numbers shrank to really low levels, I believe the number of licensed hunters had dropped to around 990,000. Localities can have higher numbers of hunters as a % of the local population, but laws & regs. are made on a state-wide basis, where we're in the minority everywhere to my knowledge.

BuckSutherland - Yes that can happen with smaller groups. That's why I said don't throw in the towel. It's just that anti-hunting, anti-" killing " attitudes are so entrenched in the general public as a whole now. The world-wide fashion industry is against real fur, movements to " save the whales..... seals......tortoises ....etc. " are in vogue with the public. ( And some critters DO NEED protection )

When I referred to the steepness of the climb, I'm just saying I don't think we can expect the public to get behind increasing deer numbers so hunters have more deer to shoot. It's not in the cards for a push from the public to accomplish that. I don't see it anywhere. Hunters yes - public at large .... no.

 

[Jim Timber]

MN annually sells deer tags to 10% of the population in rifle season. It's a very large minority.

 

[wiscwhip]

How quick u have to resort to name calling.

That's a good one dip. I'm the one who is quick to resort to name calling? Way back in post #16 you were basically calling everyone involved with the MN cause bullies. 5 posts above mine you insinuated it again. And "king batman"? Really? You might want to look in the mirror before you go calling out someone else for name calling.

 

[foggy]

Common fella's.....if were gonna hash this out again.....let's keep personalities out of this and keep the name calling OUT. I don't harbor any animosity toward people....just events......or non-events......or being brushed aside as a non-exitant "member". THAT does not fly with me. We (MDDI) will be heard.


Hmmmm......a motto???? "MDDI - We will be herd." ;)


OH.....and I take offense to be called one of your "peeps".

 

[foggy]

And u came in and saved them, that's sweet.
Just wait till u start telling people what to do on their own land. Bubba the hog farmer from central mn might actually take offense when u demand he stops shooting does. Call him bipolar and he'll feed u to them hogs.

U aint on the same page here dipper. U on a strange page. Take your meds. ;)

 

[wiscwhip]

And u came in and saved them, that's sweet.
Just wait till u start telling people what to do on their own land. Bubba the hog farmer from central mn might actually take offense when u demand he stops shooting does. Call him bipolar and he'll feed u to them hogs.

Not real worried dipper, I know more hog farmers from SE MN and NE IA than you can shake a stick at. Every hog farmer i know is reasonable and smart enough to know when they have been taken by the DNR once they have been shown the evidence that their DNR has been lying to them for years.

 

[wildfire]

Watch out for the submarines and mines.

 

[Riggsgwp->]

Apparently the ones in your cliques neighborhood aren't.
U guys just aren't any fun. So uptight. No wonder your lives sound miserable.
My Meds right now are the bikinis on my boat. Hahaha gonna be a great sunset.

The deer in my area seem to be making a healthy recovery and from what I can see the numbers are looking much better. Maybe you have a point Dip, personally I'm pretty damn happy about it. It took a lot of work from some pretty smart guys to get here so I thank them for that. Although the negative stuff gets dredged up every so often I'm guessing the Mn guys are moving away from the negatives and looking forward to the future. You've oviously followed what's transpired here and you've seen the new direction we're heading right? It seemed like a positive next move for MDDI. Nobody is being forced to change but we will definitely try and give them a push to see a different way of thinking. I guess if we get more people to pass deer then that won't sit well with you either though, to many deer, habitat destruction, disease, blah blah blah.

 

[Jordan Selsor]

buh-bye! Is there anyone here who would be peeps with a guy like that in the first place?

I would. I have met Thayer personally and he is a good dude that did a great job running the gateway QDMA branch. Would have been a great guy to have around here as he is a passionate hunter and land manager. Gotta have thick skin to hang with you boys though haha. I get sick of hearing about the Min DNR stuff too but came to realize I dont know enough about your struggles to formulate an opinion in the matter therefore choose to look past it . I wish you guys well but hope you dont run off every newbie after his first post lol! Gotta be quick to forgive boys.
Let the past be the past

 

[Jordan Selsor]

ok...you want my perspective from knowledge from the qdma.

you have people that were told to stand down and let the political process take effect. they didn't want to wait and raise a ruckus to change things now!...just how did that go for you?

you had respected people in the industry willing to take up your cause and fight for you. you decided that you knew more than them and wanted to disrupt another site to further your cause.

i am sick and tired of so called know it alls taking up much needed helpful electrons on internet sites to forward causes. the deal in minnesota is bad. the way you guys handled it was worse. you could have listened to the qdma and been much further down the road if the correct political processes were followed.

cwd has gained much more notice in missouri since we talked, listened, and followed a plan from a consensus of some very smart people.

this may all go to waste if a republican governor gets into office here. they seem to follow money instead of science...hmmm...see a trend yet?

i don't nor didnt' want to start a fight...but you all wanted to stir it up again....have fun pilgrims...hope the indians don't get ya.

Yikes me no like this commento_O Our current Dem governor is a complete bird brain that Im damned ashamed comes from our home county!!!!