Uw madison Aldo Leopold class

I think you nailed it, j-bird. Often times what "non-hunters" see are the shows or commercials that portray hunters as ONLY loving the kill. Admittedly, that is a very large portion of what hunting is about, but I think that most of us can say that we've had some pretty great sits that didn't end in a kill.

I went to a college that would be labeled as stereotypically "flamingly liberal". I had many talks about hunting with my ecology teacher. At the beginning she just kind of saw me as the type of hunter that is being portrayed in the media, but after a while she really kind of understood that I was different, and I hope that she sees other hunters differently now. She is a queen of the forest type crazy, but she's incredibly smart and well reasoned. Her opinions are based on facts, and her interpretation of those facts. Any argument I've heard her make, whether I agreed with it or not, followed a clear and coherent train of thought. It would have been very easy for me to not really care about what she said, and just go on my way. I'm sure glad that I didn't. She had us read Sand County Almanac and I realized that we had a lot more in common than one would originally suspect. I continued to talk to her throughout my college career. Often times "tough" topics such as antler point restrictions and baiting came up, and I talked openly and honestly with her about MY opinion, but I also emphasized that these are issues that are also debated among hunters. It's not hunters vs. the general public, on many issues. The upper level ecology class that I took with her was entirely discussion based (with a few essays and presentations). I think the best thing I got from that class, and my education in general, is that even if I don't agree with someone, I need to listen and try and understand why they think what they think. Sometimes people have different goals, which is OK. Some people think that "nature" should be undisturbed, while others think that it should be managed..... neither is inherently right or wrong, but rather one is "right" for a certain outcome.

Words like "nature", and "hunting", have a very different and often times deeply meaningful, and possibly borderline spiritual, definitions to everyone. As a hunter, I get really steamed when I am painted in the same light as most hunters on TV. I would say that I can't identify with any of the big hunting shows or hunters (with the exception of Michigan out of Doors, and Steve Rinella, who I think is as in love with the hunt as he is the harvest. He is unashamed to say he loves to kill, but he also approaches it with a form of solemnity that I admire... he regularly shoots small or female animals for personal or population reasons...). So, as j-bird pointed out, this is what the general public sees, yet it is not what I would say (IMO) is what hunting is.

I think it's important for our sport to realize that we're on a 2 way street. We have to protect our rights to hunt, but we also have to be cognizant of the manner in which we are portrayed in the media (hunting shows), and ask ourselves 1. Do we want to be known like that? 2. If not, How can we change that picture to something that is inclusive and "safe" for people to explore, and allows them to form their OWN opinion of what hunting is?
 
Or smart enough not to own land in mn;)
 
Or smart enough not to own land in mn;)

Dipper - Based on what I have seen posted here - I wouldn't mess with land in MN if you gave it to me, at least from a hunting perspective. I don't mean anything against those of you that do, but I guess I have gotten somewhat spoiled in comparison here - and I don't think I live in some sort of deer utopia. I don't like the cold, don't like lots of snow, have enough issues with yotes that I know I don't want to deal with bears and wolves oh and I like seeing deer. I'll avoid MN - thank you very much!

I think I may look into other courses and see what those are about as well. The more we understand the future and the big picture the better prepared we will be to defend the past and our little piece of dirt.
 
If you find any that apply to our "world" be sure to post them here. I haven't had a chance to look yet, but there are other places that do courses like this besides Coursera. It might be worthwhile to check into those as well. I haven't had the chance to finish my week 4 stuff yet, I have been reserving Saturday mornings before everyone else gets out of bed for my course work, so I will finish up tomorrow morning. I found the course very beneficial and informative so far and I have even exchanged a few private emails with Dr. Van Deelen on WI "issues".
 
In all seriousness, from what I've seen my local habitat is much much better than what I'm seeing these guys from mn post. It appears my area has much more "habitat" acres, and it's more diverse, resulting in more "edge". The topography is also more diverse. It ranges from really steep hills to multiple types of lowland systems. Combine 20-40% agriculture, it is perfect for deer.
I also have a good amount of trophy or just buck only management, that Makes a doe factory.
I know u can kill enough deer to make it feel like they are extinct. I've done it the last 2 years, killing over 80 deer. I'm seeing an instant impact in regeneration. My habitat is getting that much healthier. I also know there are herds of deer within a mile of 2 of my place. Those deer will relocate on my place next year and the cycle will continue.
When I start seeing less deer in my extended neighborhood, my management will respond accordingly.
It's fun, and it really has reduced my value in horn porn. I want mature bucks on my place, but Im fine with the newer hunters getting them. I've become more of a hippie meat hunter.
 
OMG, dipper has turned into a locavore! lol:D
 
I think you nailed it, j-bird. Often times what "non-hunters" see are the shows or commercials that portray hunters as ONLY loving the kill. Admittedly, that is a very large portion of what hunting is about, but I think that most of us can say that we've had some pretty great sits that didn't end in a kill.

I went to a college that would be labeled as stereotypically "flamingly liberal". I had many talks about hunting with my ecology teacher. At the beginning she just kind of saw me as the type of hunter that is being portrayed in the media, but after a while she really kind of understood that I was different, and I hope that she sees other hunters differently now. She is a queen of the forest type crazy, but she's incredibly smart and well reasoned. Her opinions are based on facts, and her interpretation of those facts. Any argument I've heard her make, whether I agreed with it or not, followed a clear and coherent train of thought. It would have been very easy for me to not really care about what she said, and just go on my way. I'm sure glad that I didn't. She had us read Sand County Almanac and I realized that we had a lot more in common than one would originally suspect. I continued to talk to her throughout my college career. Often times "tough" topics such as antler point restrictions and baiting came up, and I talked openly and honestly with her about MY opinion, but I also emphasized that these are issues that are also debated among hunters. It's not hunters vs. the general public, on many issues. The upper level ecology class that I took with her was entirely discussion based (with a few essays and presentations). I think the best thing I got from that class, and my education in general, is that even if I don't agree with someone, I need to listen and try and understand why they think what they think. Sometimes people have different goals, which is OK. Some people think that "nature" should be undisturbed, while others think that it should be managed..... neither is inherently right or wrong, but rather one is "right" for a certain outcome.

Words like "nature", and "hunting", have a very different and often times deeply meaningful, and possibly borderline spiritual, definitions to everyone. As a hunter, I get really steamed when I am painted in the same light as most hunters on TV. I would say that I can't identify with any of the big hunting shows or hunters (with the exception of Michigan out of Doors, and Steve Rinella, who I think is as in love with the hunt as he is the harvest. He is unashamed to say he loves to kill, but he also approaches it with a form of solemnity that I admire... he regularly shoots small or female animals for personal or population reasons...). So, as j-bird pointed out, this is what the general public sees, yet it is not what I would say (IMO) is what hunting is.

I think it's important for our sport to realize that we're on a 2 way street. We have to protect our rights to hunt, but we also have to be cognizant of the manner in which we are portrayed in the media (hunting shows), and ask ourselves 1. Do we want to be known like that? 2. If not, How can we change that picture to something that is inclusive and "safe" for people to explore, and allows them to form their OWN opinion of what hunting is?


For most non hunters, I just say that my family loves to eat venison,that we are nearly out of venison, and that we are looking forward to the next season. Don't discuss antlers or other controversial things. Keep the discussion about eating quality venison unless they ask other questions.
 
For most non hunters, I just say that my family loves to eat venison,that we are nearly out of venison, and that we are looking forward to the next season. Don't discuss antlers or other controversial things. Keep the discussion about eating quality venison unless they ask other questions.
I sometimes add that we process our deer from field to freezer.
 
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