Compared to having a gun season from the middle of October until the middle of January non-stop, that is short. Oh, and throw in being able to shoot them while chasing them with dogs for part of that. Deer are flat out scared to death of bait piles or daylight. My mom texted me to say she saw A (ONE) doe this morning. They are scared of their shadows in some places.Respectfully disagree. We have well over a month of gun season. There’s no difference in ml and rifle. We have an extremely long bow/xbow season. Early season brings in tons of people to hunt velvet where 99.9% of bucks are shot over bait. I think the reality is bait is the most attractive feature any property can offer and with enough time spent hunting over it, an any buck can eventually be killed.
Isn't that always the case, pretty much everywhere, Swamper?? Here, we set up in a tree stand at point A - buck comes out at point B for several days. Move tree stand to point B - buck now comes out at point A.View attachment 83810
We have hunted this deer pretty hard this year, starting with the velvet season early sept. When we were not there, he would show up just at that time you would think MAYBE you had enough light to shoot - maybe. When you hunt him, he shows up an hour later.
He did the exact same thing last year.
My observation from hunting deer in various parts of the country: baiting can be the easy button, or it can be an exercise in futility depending on the area deer herd. And, there are various levels of effectiveness between the two depending on population size, habitat, and pressure type and frequency.
I would say to whomever... then your not muzzle loading.There’s no difference in ml and rifle.
100%. That’s the states fault of caving to the participation trophy mindset of hunting. Modern muzzleloaders are single shot rifles nowI would say to whomever... then your not muzzle loading.
You're hunting with a modern rifle that loads from the muzzle. They're not the same, but sadly that's where we are. We've removed all the joy from it and just turned it into just another tool. And that's a shame.
Years ago someone, afraid to shoot/hunt with a traditional sidelock said to me "But what if I go to shoot a deer and it doesn't go off?" I replied, "then you are muzzle loading."![]()
There is some difference. Second biggest deer I have ever seen from a stand came running up 25 yards away - after I had just shot a medium sized 8 point. Yes, I tried to reload - but I didnt get very far. I have had a hang fire or two and, a ML with the smoke on a cool damp morning can be impossible to see which way the deer went. Another thing about a ml, turns out quite a few folks dont like the hassle of sighting in and cleaning. In AR, last year a straight walled cartridge was made legal to hunt with during the ml season - and name was changed to alternative weapon season. Any straight walled cartridge was legal as long as it wasnt semi auto - like my AR 15 .450 bushmaster.I would say to whomever... then your not muzzle loading.
You're hunting with a modern rifle that loads from the muzzle. They're not the same, but sadly that's where we are. We've removed all the joy from it and just turned it into just another tool. And that's a shame.
Years ago someone, afraid to shoot/hunt with a traditional sidelock said to me "But what if I go to shoot a deer and it doesn't go off?" I replied, "then you are muzzle loading."![]()
Mature bucks hang in the thick stuff here, too. Especially when hunters start to get into the woods each fall. No monsters walking casually in open woods. I just think it's funny, and challenging, to play the "chess game" with wily older bucks. You move north - they move south. We go right - they go left. Right place / right time = buck on wall. Every deer is different, which is why I've always loved the challenge.Truth be known, I think everyone understands everywhere is different. I have not killed a hog in the daytime on or near my own property in 5 years. I can go to my duck lease 30 miles away and there is a 50/50 chance I shoot one at high noon. A lot of factors go in to making a deer act like they do and just because my deer act like they do does not mean anyone else’s deer act like mine do and vice versa. I watch hunting shows filmed in the midwest and see video of mature bucks walking through open hardwood. We typically dont see that here. Our deer are slinking around in thickets and tight along the edge of cover. I can put out feed in the corner of an 8 acre food plot and never get a picture of a buck older than two - and move over 200 yards in a pocket in a thicket and have five mature bucks using it. They all might be deer, but they dont all act the same way![]()