bueller
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It germinated last fall but was pretty much ate to the ground as it's a small plot. Much like the Wind Gypsy's photo, it's getting a lot of attention right now.
Spring Appearance of Fall Planted Clover
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bigboreblr
5 year old buck +
You still watching this thread Joe?
Many of the white clovers like durana tend to prefer clay soil over sandy.
I suggest you give plain old medium red or even some crimson clover a try. Crimson clover is not too well liked by deer, but in poor soils it is good to have something that is not eaten to death. A good shot of 2,4D would close to wipe out the clover.
I planted some milpa seed mix from green cover. I saw some clovers doing well that i did not recognize at camp, zone 3 sandy soil. Almost junk sand spots. Milpa has persian clover in it. Aslike might be ok too.
Plantain is a chickory like plant that does well in poor soils. I have it at camp in high traffic areas, like the camp lawn and parking lot. Deer n snowshoe hare love it.
MY plan at camp is to let the weeds win. I will plant rye and oats, but let the weeds be until mid august or so. Then one year I mow or knock it down and the next I use roundup. Always plant small grains, a few different clovers, and a small amount of brassicas like 1-2lb an acre. Clovers are about 8lb and acre and grains are about 80lb. Uusually 2-3 parts rye 1 part oats. I get wheat dirt cheap even sometimes free, so I sometimes add a 1/2 part to the mix. Wheat needs to be in the ground more, but can make it some no till years. I have a nice tow behind set of discs for the ATV, so might be more min till now.
Many of the white clovers like durana tend to prefer clay soil over sandy.
I suggest you give plain old medium red or even some crimson clover a try. Crimson clover is not too well liked by deer, but in poor soils it is good to have something that is not eaten to death. A good shot of 2,4D would close to wipe out the clover.
I planted some milpa seed mix from green cover. I saw some clovers doing well that i did not recognize at camp, zone 3 sandy soil. Almost junk sand spots. Milpa has persian clover in it. Aslike might be ok too.
Plantain is a chickory like plant that does well in poor soils. I have it at camp in high traffic areas, like the camp lawn and parking lot. Deer n snowshoe hare love it.
MY plan at camp is to let the weeds win. I will plant rye and oats, but let the weeds be until mid august or so. Then one year I mow or knock it down and the next I use roundup. Always plant small grains, a few different clovers, and a small amount of brassicas like 1-2lb an acre. Clovers are about 8lb and acre and grains are about 80lb. Uusually 2-3 parts rye 1 part oats. I get wheat dirt cheap even sometimes free, so I sometimes add a 1/2 part to the mix. Wheat needs to be in the ground more, but can make it some no till years. I have a nice tow behind set of discs for the ATV, so might be more min till now.
SD51555
5 year old buck +
Absolutely. When I spread pure clay somewhere, white clover was the only thing that would grow at first. A close second for diversity was flax and jap millet. Third would be ragweed and black eyed Susan.
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bigboreblr
5 year old buck +
Towards the end of summer, I see ragweed trees around me. They make my 6 year old spruce trees jealous.
Dirt just aint't dirt....... One thing works great here, another thing doesn't work great there.
Alot of legumes in this world other than clover.......... You got sand try hairy vetch.
Used to absolutely love dutch white clover. Now I don't like it as much. It does not play well with other seeds.
Joe Buck
5 year old buck +
I am still watching and reading all the comments and ideas. I stopped at the land last Thursday April 17 and nothing yet but pretty much bare ground. I talked to our owner and we decided to buy some more seed and replant this coming weekend April 27. I'm going to broadcast with a Solo handheld spreader and we are going to cultipack and hope for the best. We are going to replant with the Aberlasting and Jumbo Ladino that we started with. If we can't get this to work we are just going to go with Winter Rye/ Winter Wheat this Fall in those 2 acres. We may next year just add the 2 acres to his corn field and give up. Over the years we have had Red clover , and many other things but nothing seems to last in the dry sandy soil. I really appreciate every ones comments and ideas. Thanks Much!
Joe Buck
5 year old buck +
Thanks for the great photo and your encouragement. We thought about frost seeding but we were hoping for better results from last falls plantings. I forgot to mention that we added 8 lbs. of Med. Red Clover to the mix last fall as well. Not sure we are doing the right thing now but figured what the heck, we'll give it one last try. Ended up buying a total of 39 lbs. of Aberlasting and Jumbo Ladino from Merit Seed for $257.00 inc. delivery. Will see what happens.
Bowsnbucks
5 year old buck +
Good luck this time around, Joe!
bueller
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Update... I have zero clover showing in my plot as of this weekend, not a single plant that I saw. Rye is 12-18" tall. I've seeded medium red clover into this plot for years now. Going into winter I had good clover from previous years along with young sprouts from new seeding in the fall. Starting to think the extreme cold we had with lack of snow cover wiped out both the old and new clover.
omicron1792
5 year old buck +
How did you seed it?
bueller
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Surface broadcast into mature rye stand, same as I've successfully done for years straight in this plot. There should be at least two different year classes in there this spring.
bueller
Moderator
Not sure. I did some reading today and couldn't find much on red clover winterkill like alfalfa. I hope I'm wrong and it shoots up from the roots soon.
bueller
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64 degrees per green cast, 5 day average 61
I'm no expert at all, so take this with a grain of salt. But I looked back to when I planted clover and checked greencast. Soil temps were 41* when broadcast and they were germinated & visible within about 10 days with soil temps still in low-mid 40s.
SD51555
5 year old buck +
What is the current question? I lost track of this one.
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