Have a plot in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan that has been in Cereal Grains (Oats, Wheat) past two falls. When I can get time off work dictates when and thus what I can plant. Would like to get plot back into a white clover mix so plan is to plant the white clover last week in August with an Oats and Wheat cover crop that also gives me something green to hunt over next fall. Will that give the White clover sufficient time to establish roots before the onset of cold weather next fall that far north?
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How late is too late for white clover?
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5 year old buck +
Might be wasting money on fancy seed on my part. But I like patriot clover from peddington You can plant that clover in august just fine. It'll survive. It won't put alot for the deer to feed on, but it;ll provide some. Oats die off at about 15 degrees. But, its an excellent nurse crop for clover. ladino and dutch clovers frost seed well. IF you intent is to be primarily clovers, I would throw some medium red in there too. Michigan is probably much like the adirondacks in NY climate wise. Some years there is frosts and even flurries before labor day.
Dutch white is aggressive and doesn't like to share the plot with grain seedlings once established. However, you spray the plot with a 1-1.5 quarts / acre of 41% gly, it will knock it back good. I did an experiment at home this year. seed then disc, disc then seed, and just boradast into my plot. I had a strip of heavy clover mowed a few times over the summer, a several year old strip of grains n clover, and a expanded spot. Spread then disc is taking the lead so far. All were sprayed with gly a week before and lawn rolled afterward.
Any recent soil tests? previous crops? What do you have to work with equipment wise. I do almost 2 acres at camp and a 1/2 acre plot at home with an atv got discs, cutipacker, lawn roller, drop spreader, sprayer, and a tow mower. Can borrow a tractor, but been doing good with what I have so far.
Dutch white is aggressive and doesn't like to share the plot with grain seedlings once established. However, you spray the plot with a 1-1.5 quarts / acre of 41% gly, it will knock it back good. I did an experiment at home this year. seed then disc, disc then seed, and just boradast into my plot. I had a strip of heavy clover mowed a few times over the summer, a several year old strip of grains n clover, and a expanded spot. Spread then disc is taking the lead so far. All were sprayed with gly a week before and lawn rolled afterward.
Any recent soil tests? previous crops? What do you have to work with equipment wise. I do almost 2 acres at camp and a 1/2 acre plot at home with an atv got discs, cutipacker, lawn roller, drop spreader, sprayer, and a tow mower. Can borrow a tractor, but been doing good with what I have so far.
Feelslikefar.
5 year old buck +
Central NY, last weekend in September I "planted" a mixture of clovers (just broadcast on the ground/leaves). Last week it was all a whopping 1" high, but it was growing.
bigborlr---I was always a big perennial clover guy but always got my white clovers started earlier in August. That being said I never got much growth that first year. I have a clover plot in southeast michigan behind my house where I live that was planted in 2021 and it looked great before it really started to get cold a few weeks ago. Up at camp in the Upper Penninsula The last few years I have just been doing Oats and Wheat planted around Labor day with great results. I really want to get my plots back into clover next year. We recently did our vacation picks at work and I will not be able to plant up there next year until last week in August so plan is to combine my clover mix with the cereal grains. I am a big fan of welter seed and the selection of white clovers they offer. I have used Jumbo II, Renovation, Legacy, Kopu II all in various mixes and had great results with all of them. I plan to try Aberlasting in my mix next year. Maybe 50 percent Aberlasting 30 Jumbo Ladino II and 20 legacy. Like I already mentioned I have never planted clover that late but sounds like I should be fine. As to your suggestion about red clover, I had a variety called Persist that welters sells. Its a red clover blend and it did very well up there. I just think that the deer find the white varieties to be more palatable.
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5 year old buck +
MAny guys on here do good planting in the spring. I throw in some oats for a nurse crop. One year did a fresh plot location with oats, clover,s and turnips. The turnips got huge. Left it in the fall and some of the turnips were still going.
Might be good to spray gly when the weed seeds wake up early may. IF you got good weed control, frost seed. Alot of those varieties are improved common varieties.
I get several kinds. Sometimes large 50lb bags. I have used regal before. Then I get a few others. sometimes big box store blends.
Do a bit of homework some clovers do a bit better than other in sandy soil or low pH soil. Even a clover or two for high pH soils.
Might be good to spray gly when the weed seeds wake up early may. IF you got good weed control, frost seed. Alot of those varieties are improved common varieties.
I get several kinds. Sometimes large 50lb bags. I have used regal before. Then I get a few others. sometimes big box store blends.
Do a bit of homework some clovers do a bit better than other in sandy soil or low pH soil. Even a clover or two for high pH soils.
Rennovation, Legacy, and Jumbo II have all done great for me. Have heard good things about Aberlasting, advertised to have greater drought tolerance due to it being a cross of white clover and kura. Am still on the fence about adding chickory. I always end up using 2-4DB by the second season to control broadleafs and it will smoke the chickory.
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