Dan - Thanks for the pic and info. I just planted the Ark. Black ( on MM-111 root ) this past spring, so I don't expect apples until 2017 at the earliest. It took right off though, so things are looking good. Our camp started out on a planting program 3 years ago for apples and crabs. We figured we'd try maybe 6 to 10 trees. Things grew so well the members wanted to plant more. After this coming spring, we'll be over 60 trees !! That'll finish it - we're out of clear space. The only spots left ( then ) are on the edge of a food plot that gets plenty of sun. That's where I was thinking of planting a Roxbury Russet.