Redosier Dogwood from cuttings
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MoBuckChaser
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I will second that! I know, from wasting my own time.
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MoBuckChaser
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I don't even think I had that good of luck with planting Rod in general. maybe stu has had better success.
Bowsnbucks
5 year old buck +
I've got some ROD on order for this spring. Good to know about the moisture needed the first year or so. I'll plant them along a small spring seep that runs away from our food plots. Maybe create a travel corridor leading to / from the plots for the future ??
How do they take browsing in your experience ??
How do they take browsing in your experience ??
wiscwhip
5 year old buck +
Bareroot have a much higher success rate IMO. I will say I have had limited success with ROD cuttings. That said, it was in very specific areas where the cuttings actually took hold and grew. One success we had planting ROD cuttings was in a very low area that was overrun with reed canary grass. This location had about a 50% survival rate. The other place where cuttings worked for us was directly adjactent to the small river that flowed through our property, within feet of the streambed. We had about 60% survive in this location. Any other areas we tried them were pretty much failures. Bareroots have worked on other areas that did not have as much natural moisture. We had about 80%-90% success with bareroots. As stu said, consistent moisture(and likely lots of it in the case of cuttings) is needed to keep not only the bareroots, but especially the cuttings, alive and growing.
wiscwhip
5 year old buck +
BnB, that spring seep sounds like just the ticket to ensure best chance of success. I don't feel they withstand browse pressure all that well until they are well established, then they will be fine. We tried to just overwhelm the deer browse pressure with high quantities. Nice part is, once you have a few small thickets established, you have a never-ending supply of new growth to take cuttings from, so you can experiment with them all you want after that.
^^^ Stuart beat me to the punch again!!! LOL!
^^^ Stuart beat me to the punch again!!! LOL!
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Who has those?
yoderjac
5 year old buck +
Nova,
I got my first yellow twig dogwood from John free with one of my orders from him. I believe this is pretty much a color variation of ROD. With John's guidance, I successfully rooted them with no problem. I'm not using them at the farm, but my wife likes them as landscape plants around the house. I started my first set in RM18 but found the buds are so far apart that it is easy to bump the tops and tear delicate roots when they are first starting. Each year, I've taken cuttings from them and planted more around the house. Here is what works best for me:
1) Make sure the cutting has 2 buds above and 2 below the medium.
2) I use rooting hormone #3 on them. I cut them at an angle just below the lower two buds and dip that end in the hormone powder.
3) I put them in 5" root trapper bags. Since there is no tap root to prune, these work well for cuttings. I use promix as a medium. I keep them watered and in a cold room with no artificial light for a month or so. For the first couple weeks, I'll place the bags on heating pads (set on low) to warm the soil. This helps encourage roots to begin without letting them break dormancy. After a couple weeks I turn off the heating pads.
4) Next, I bring them indoors, warm them up and put them under artificial lights. (I'll be taking this step soon with mine). Before long they will break dormancy and begin actively growing. I will acclimate them to natural light in the spring like any other tree after our last threat of frost passes. I then plant them from the 5" bags.
This has worked very well for me. Once mine break dormancy, I'll start posting some pictures. I'm learning that the key with most dormant cuttings is getting root growth to begin before the scion breaks dormancy and drains the scion of energy leafing out. Warming the soil without warming the air temperature keeps them dormant while letting some root development begin.
Thanks,
Jack
yoderjac
5 year old buck +
I'd send an email to John to be sure, but I think they are essentially varieties or of the same plant. Here is a link that shows them as cultivars: http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/PlantFinder/PlantFinderDetails.aspx?kempercode=c340
They may be harder to root just sticking them in the ground outdoors. I only tried that once and had limited success but it was in a less than optimal location. I've had pretty good success rooting them indoors. John is an expert on cuttings. I'm just passing on my experience with them.
Thanks,
Jack
Bowsnbucks
5 year old buck +
The ROD I have on order are bare root - not cuttings. Digging shouldn't be a problem along that spring seep, the ground is fairly soft. I'll cage them for a couple years to make sure the deer don't hammer them until they get a foothold.
It's good to know ROD can take being browsed or even cut back once established. I read somewhere that cutting them back just above ground can make them come back thicker. Suckers ?? Root sprouts ??
It's good to know ROD can take being browsed or even cut back once established. I read somewhere that cutting them back just above ground can make them come back thicker. Suckers ?? Root sprouts ??
wiscwhip
5 year old buck +
Yes, it is call coppicing and it works very well. I think I posted some photos a while back of both coppiced ROD and willows along the hiking trail in our marsh in town. It shows the affects of the cut and the amount of new growth that comes from the "stumps". I will see if I can find the pics.
EDIT: Looks like I posted those on another forum, I will try to post them here once I can retrieve them from my phone.
EDIT: Looks like I posted those on another forum, I will try to post them here once I can retrieve them from my phone.
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scott44
5 year old buck +
I haven't had luck planting cuttings directly in the wild, but if you put the cuttings in pots and water them all summer you can plant them successfully in the fall. I usually only plant a dozen or two this way each year though since its kind of a pain in the butt. I usually put 3 or 4 cuttings in each pot which usually means at least one or two survive.
Coldstream farm also has a variety of rooted ROD cuttings as well. Here is a link:
http://www.coldstreamfarm.net/categ...osier-dogwood-cornus-sericea-stolonifera.html
On a side not silky dogwood seems to be more forgiving to planting via cuttings in my very limited experience.
http://www.coldstreamfarm.net/categ...osier-dogwood-cornus-sericea-stolonifera.html
On a side not silky dogwood seems to be more forgiving to planting via cuttings in my very limited experience.
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cavey
5 year old buck +
I've tried this and actually am still harvesting cuttings from a couple of the bags I didnt cut open to plant from...
I used Large potting soil bags, plopped them down on edge.
Then kind of flatten them out as much as you can along the top side (long way) so that the bags corners of the top and bottom of the bag are up on each end. Then cut off/across the upturned corners (to stick a garden hose in for watering on each end of the bag and only cut enough to get a garden hose into). After that take a pencil and poke a large number of holes in the bag to stick the RO cuttings into... I guess there is no reason why if its a bag is big enough with enough soil in it you could just lay it flat like they come off the pallets and poke holes in the top surface - it was just easier to water from the up turned corners of plumped up bags. I just laid the bags out in a row side by side...
The poked holes are fairly close together Im guessing 2 to 3 inches apart in a grid pattern. Basically just pencil sized cuttings with at least 2 buds out of the bag/soil. The plastic holds the moisture in... I do dip the top of the cuttings in wax shortly after cutting, all in all just an easy way to do RO cuttings if you want a couple hundred cuttings rooted. I though i would likely over water them but they seemed to like the little micro environment and did very well - i had only a couple die out of maybe 300. think I got 50 to 75 or so cuttings stuffed into each bag.
Diesel5610
5 year old buck +
I have planted a couple thousand ROD bare roots over the years. They like wet areas, but I have had good luck in regular soil as well. I have a thicket started finally after several years and it is a deer magnet. I would plant 200-400 every year with a dibble bar trying to get this thicket going. I had good luck with them surviving but the deer kept them browsed pretty low. The deer browse the heck out of them. Once you get them by the browse pressure they do great and will actually provide some cover as well as browse. Deer still browse the heck out of them but once they are established they can take it. Protect them for the first 1-2 years and you are set. Pretty easy to plant a bunch in a hurry with a dibble bar.
