Mine still hanging

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ranetka is used by saint lawrence nurseries. hey say they use them on tougher to graft crabapples. Likely their winter wildlife, AWHO, and violi's could be on ranetka. They call them siberian this year, but was calling these ranetka 2 years ago. Not sure, if they changed or not. IF they are growing these from seed, might be difficult to call them ranetka. Who knows what they cross polinated them with.

Seeds – OIKOS Tree Crops

Man Vs. Wild Crabapple Crabapple Wins Hardy apple,extreme cold tolerant, produces uniform seedlings

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Siberian Crab - Malus baccata

1 to 3 ft. treesWe use Malus baccata as a rootstock for our grafted crabs, and some compatible non-crabs. It is exceptionally hardy, even beating out Antonovka, but generally less accepting as a rootstock. A standard sized tree, it will bear fruit of variable size and quality.

www.slngrow.com

 

[rocksnstumps]

I planted 10 of theses a couple years ago. I don't have any fruit yet. Those crabapple are bigger than I was expecting. How do you like the Rantekas so far? Mine have grown super fast. They seem like a really tough tree. I wonder how they would be for rootstock.

I really like the ranetka seedlings. Fruit varies from about 1" to 1-1/2" dia. A bit larger than fruit generic Siberian seedlings have produced. They do grow fast and since they were only about 1 ft tall from a local conservation sale expect they were really grown as rootstock at some nursery. As such they were cheap too like a couple bucks. Very cold hardy, believe down to zone 2. I need to graft out a few that I like the most. Actually the critters like the most lol. They keep breaking the branches out of one with a long drop period from Sept to Dec. Raccoons I expect.

I have pics in Sandburs crabapple timeline thread posted a few years ago that shows the fruit sizes and colors. The yellowish ones seem to hang longer than the reddish ones. After multiple frosts they all tend to be reddish brown looking.

 

[rocksnstumps]

Bigbore
In answer to Franklin Cider it's a good wildlife tree for me but no issues with CAR here. Believe Native or someone else has mentioned that could be a problem (contrary to info from Stark and the fella pimping them from the start)

But yes happy enough with them although not a heavy cropper for me.

 

[gunfun13]

30-06 still hanging and dropping. I haven't shook anything off for weeks...just a slow steady drop since October. If you look through my old posts I haven't been very high on this tree the last few years, to say it's gained major favor lately would be an understatement.

 

[Mortenson]

That's good to see. I have a bunch of those in the ground.

 

[b116757]

One or maybe even both of my Franklin Cider trees died in a high CAR area I can’t say for certain that’s what killed them. I just made a mental note not to plant anymore of them on my site.

 

[Native Hunter]

One or maybe even both of my Franklin Cider trees died in a high CAR area I can’t say for certain that’s what killed them. I just made a mental note not to plant anymore of them on my site.

It was likely Fireblight rather than CAR that killed them. They are very resistant to CAR but very susceptible to Fireblight (based on my personal observations).

 

[TonySoprano]

30-06 still hanging and dropping. I haven't shook anything off for weeks...just a slow steady drop since October. If you look through my old posts I haven't been very high on this tree the last few years, to say it's gained major favor lately would be an understatement.

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Many of you on here had a dry summer if not the fall too. Any effect on your late dopping trees?

Would like to hear about sudnance, enterprise, galarina, or arkansas black. Those are my big bets at home. Saint lawrence nursery offerings and 30-06 is what I have going on at camp. Bought more of the winter wildlife. Want them to be mostly done by december. Some years deer head to the lake to yard up for the winter. Don't mind a few scraps for the snowshoe hares n grouse.

 

[Bowsnbucks]

Many of you on here had a dry summer if not the fall too. Any effect on your late dopping trees?

Would like to hear about sudnance, enterprise, galarina, or arkansas black. Those are my big bets at home. Saint lawrence nursery offerings and 30-06 is what I have going on at camp. Bought more of the winter wildlife. Want them to be mostly done by december. Some years deer head to the lake to yard up for the winter. Don't mind a few scraps for the snowshoe hares n grouse.

Our Sundance, Galarina, and Enterprise all had good crops this past fall, as did most of our trees. We (camp) had a few decent rains that other parts of Pa. didn't get, so that probably helped a lot. I wouldn't call camp's year a good year for rain by any means. Wolf River trees on Anty had a banner year for us, as did Goldrush.

 

[KY wild]

My Enterprise and Galarina both had bumper crops but both dropped early, I blamed it on the drought. Both trees are 20 plus years old so I did not water at all during the dry summer.

 

[Native Hunter]

I have just taken the lead in the chestnut division. Meet the soon to be famous Groundhog Day Chestnut.

 

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bowsnbucks and KYwild,

What is normal for enterprise and galarina for drop times. Start a few, 1/2 done, to few stubborn zombies left. Put 3 galarinas and 2 enterprises at home. Got one of each at the farmland. Iffy they'd do ok at camp old zone 3 new zone 4.

 

[KY wild]

Galarina and enterprise finish dropping by mid October usually around here but this year it was like first of Sept.

 

[Bowsnbucks]

bowsnbucks and KYwild,

What is normal for enterprise and galarina for drop times. Start a few, 1/2 done, to few stubborn zombies left. Put 3 galarinas and 2 enterprises at home. Got one of each at the farmland. Iffy they'd do ok at camp old zone 3 new zone 4.

Enterprise starts dropping about 3rd week of October in NC Pa., and keeps dropping through November, into early December. Galarina drops around the same as Enterprise, but hangs on longer into late December, and a few left in January. A few freezes soften them, but that doesn't stop the deer cleaning up any drops.

I don't know of an apple that stays firm after a couple good freezes. Maybe some crab variety?? Other guys may know better - that's just my own experience.

 

[rocksnstumps]

This is why persistent hanging fruit is important up north.

Pic from late Dec of Prairie Fire Crab. Not much doing as all the critters are in the fields munching stuff or tearing up understory in the woods


Been cold for the last couple months but dry so no snow until the last couple weeks. All of a sudden red headed stepchild of a crab is big hit with the turkeys. Fruit load now, not so much.


And the ground is trampled with all the recent traffic.


Later on found the flock working over another favorite a full size Siberian seedling I call EMS Crab. No pic of the 15 or so birds exit stage left but they have been busy.

 

[ruskbucks]

This is why persistent hanging fruit is important up north.

Pic from late Dec of Prairie Fire Crab. Not much doing as all the critters are in the fields munching stuff or tearing up understory in the woods
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Been cold for the last couple months but dry so no snow until the last couple weeks. All of a sudden red headed stepchild of a crab is big hit with the turkeys. Fruit load now, not so much.
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And the ground is trampled with all the recent traffic.
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Later on found the flock working over another favorite a full size Siberian seedling I call EMS Crab. No pic of the 15 or so birds exit stage left but they have been busy.
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I would consider that a high traffic area. Wow!

 

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Was looking to make 25% or so f my trees at camp bird crabs. Praire fire good in zone 3? Got adirondack coming from SLN and might be grafting toringo (seibold) to a b118. Pruned that tree today, not big but had a decent amount of little pea sized crabs on it. Grafting a signal fire as well.

your trees grow ok with that amount of fencing? OR did you swap it out for less when they got older? Looks like about 7 or 8 feet of fencing.

I've had franklin for 2 years at home. I have CAR pretty bad here. No signs of it on the leaves, no fruit either yet. Pruned that one today too. Cut off a few fruit spurs.

 

[rocksnstumps]

Prairie Fire or Prairifire was developed in Illinois so zone 3 might be stretching it. Depending on where your googlefu sends you it is listed as zone 4 or other times as zone 3.

Remember Signal fire as interesting from some member here. Maybe I should hunt down some scion some day.

My dirty little secret on starting crabs .... I use 5 ft tubes with window screen inside around those slender tender stems. Most crabs grow very vigorous with tubes by me and I like to get the leaders above deer munch height quick. I use the biggest tube diameters I have stockpiled as that seems to reduce mouse house packing leaves that happens in the narrow tubes. True, the trees grow so quick they are noodle-like so some staking with two t-posts is required for a bit. After several years the tubes are cut off, restaple the window screen and add small diameter fencing for rub protection and do final cleanup on lower branches to start 5 ft or so to ground.

 

[Barndog56]

Pulled all of the apples off of the Honeygold, and Franklin Cider trees in my yard, and took them out back for the deer. The Franklin Cider will be grafted to Pristine as I only want people apples in the yard.