Interesting Iowa DNR Story

[Brian662]

the ends justify the means.

They almost never do in hindsight.

I’m of the mindset that if you aren’t breaking the law they won’t waste much time on you.

Until they do. Until you cut one off in traffic or didn't treat his sister right. Innocent until proven guilty used to mean something. Probable cause is totally different and if a search warrant is justified by a judge, then it's fair game.

I don’t have an opinion on the original article other than it is written (appears) that Mr Luster is guilty and trying to use a technicality to get out of it. Whether it's him, other influencers, hunting celebs, or strategists, they have a monetary incentive to be successful and it seems likely that influences decision-making. It's too bad, but it is reality.

 

[Turkish]

I'm more than a little surprised by seemingly everyone's willingness to allow Big Brother to break the 4th amendment in the name of catching poachers. Seems like a slippery slope for people who enjoy what few freedoms we truly have left in this country.

Really good point and I appreciate you bringing it up.

We’ve unfortunately become numb to the lack of privacy we have (thanks W), but I still think it’s important, even when you have nothing to hide.

Conservation is the one topic that checks my libertarian tendencies. Hard for me to square it some times.

ETA: the difficulty in reconciling these things is why sportsmen need to stay principled and not shed principles in the name of big bucks.

 

[T-Max]

I guess I hate poachers more than I hate LEO’s using drones to catch poachers, especially considering my neighbors use drones over my place without my permission anyway.


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[Bill Loser]

Interesting the double standards we all have. Planting a food plot to attract and feed deer is aok, but put the corn you grew in that field for the deer into a bile and you're a slob baiter. Doesn't make a lot of sense.
As far as drones to bust law breakers have at it. They use drones to bust all manners of law breakers why should it stop at hunting or fishing?

 

[Turkish]

Interesting the double standards we all have. Planting a food plot to attract and feed deer is aok, but put the corn you grew in that field for the deer into a bile and you're a slob baiter. Doesn't make a lot of sense.
As far as drones to bust law breakers have at it. They use drones to bust all manners of law breakers why should it stop at hunting or fishing?

So this is a baiting debate?

Fry him!

In all honesty, I do think those are similar. Attraction of corn is insane. I think tradition and widely accepted ideas of ethics can legitimately play a role in policy.

Either way, my buddy’s gonna be checking your place out some time next month to make sure everything’s on the up-and-up. You’ll barely know he’s been there. Dont worry — he’s a LEO. ;)

 

[T-Max]

Interesting the double standards we all have. Planting a food plot to attract and feed deer is aok, but put the corn you grew in that field for the deer into a bile and you're a slob baiter. Doesn't make a lot of sense.
As far as drones to bust law breakers have at it. They use drones to bust all manners of law breakers why should it stop at hunting or fishing?

For me it’s legal vs illegal. I didn’t make the rules and neither did the poacher. It’s like driving 25 vs 26 MPH. They are very similar, but in a school zone here one is legal and the other isn’t. I didn’t make those rules either.


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[Bill Loser]

For me it’s legal vs illegal. I didn’t make the rules and neither did the poacher. It’s like driving 25 vs 26 MPH. They are very similar, but in a school zone here one is legal and the other isn’t. I didn’t make those rules either.


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Not making a statement about the law, but the perception of one versus the other. And the , for lack of a better term "foodplot loophole"

 

[Turkish]

Not making a statement about the law, but the perception of one versus the other. And the , for lack of a better term "foodplot loophole"

Thumbs down. You’re conflating separate issues.

 

[Brian662]

For me it’s legal vs illegal. I didn’t make the rules and neither did the poacher. It’s like driving 25 vs 26 MPH. They are very similar, but in a school zone here one is legal and the other isn’t. I didn’t make those rules either.


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I'm not speaking on behalf of the accused here obviously...none of us know what happened, but based on the story as it was written I do have some concerns. I know from watching Winke for years that in Iowa, you can use corn for trail camera survey info but not to hunt over or near. You can also use it in the off season, feeding program, etc. I'm not sure how the LEO in this case was able to determine how old the "bait" was via soil testing but in a court of law, you'd better have some forensics to back that up, IMO.

Lots of unknowns here, I'm not going to pass any more judgement before additional information gets released.

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

In Tenn, and I’m sure soon to be other states, wardens can’t enter your property without permission because a former convicted and suspected poachers sued when they found a trail cam…now we don’t want them flying drones to check for game laws because another poacher is claiming a technicality. So far two “bad guys” have dictated how we are to police OUR wildlife. Seems like the inmates are running the asylums huh. At some point just scrap all seasons and enforcements and we can hunt sit on the porch and play remember when.

 

[Brian662]

I guess I hate poachers more than I hate LEO’s using drones to catch poachers, especially considering my neighbors use drones over my place without my permission anyway.


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It doesn't have to come down to which one you hate more. Imagine if liberals could choose between hating high capacity magazines and gun registrations, or any litany of other 2A freedoms they take issue with.

 

[Brian662]

In Tenn, and I’m sure soon to be other states, wardens can’t enter your property without permission because a former convicted and suspected poachers sued when they found a trail cam…now we don’t want them flying drones to check for game laws because another poacher is claiming a technicality. So far two “bad guys” have dictated how we are to police OUR wildlife. Seems like the inmates are running the asylums huh. At some point just scrap all seasons and enforcements and we can hunt sit on the porch and play remember when.

To be fair, my point of view has nothing to do with a poacher, a technicality, or "bad guys". It has to do with an encroachment on individual liberty, which is something I assumed many of us had in common.

I don't think a straw man argument is the play here either. Seems somewhat disingenuous.

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

To be fair, my point of view has nothing to do with a poacher, a technicality, or "bad guys". It has to do with an encroachment on individual liberty, which is something I assumed many of us had in common.

I don't think a straw man argument is the play here either. Seems somewhat disingenuous.

That’s fine but I stand by my point, if you don’t have something to hide than you don’t have to look for technicalities to clear your name. And until drone use is illegal for the average citizen, I’m gonna side with law enforcement using it to protect our resources.
Remember I can do exactly what this guy is blaming the wardens of doing and be perfectly within my rights. Why wouldn’t law enforcement have those same rights.

 

[Brian662]

That’s fine but I stand by my point, if you don’t have something to hide than you don’t have to look for technicalities to clear your name. And until drone use is illegal for the average citizen, I’m gonna side with law enforcement using it to protect our resources.
Remember I can do exactly what this guy is blaming the wardens of doing and be perfectly within my rights. Why wouldn’t law enforcement have those same rights.

Innocent people get entrapped every day.

As to the rest of the post, because the 4th amendment. Illegal search and seizure.

 

[Turkish]

In Tenn, and I’m sure soon to be other states, wardens can’t enter your property without permission because a former convicted and suspected poachers sued when they found a trail cam…now we don’t want them flying drones to check for game laws because another poacher is claiming a technicality. So far two “bad guys” have dictated how we are to police OUR wildlife. Seems like the inmates are running the asylums huh. At some point just scrap all seasons and enforcements and we can hunt sit on the porch and play remember when.

What wouldn’t you allow a LEO to rummage thru?

People like you will be throwing my descendants in a gulag one day. Hyperbole. Mostly joking… if leftists don’t win.

 

[Mortenson]

What about satellite imagery? Aren't we to assume they can surveil our property daily via satellite?

 

[Bill Loser]

Thumbs down. You’re conflating separate issues.

Not at all. You just like to grasp at straws. Hard to handle for a "stand up guy" like yourself.

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

What wouldn’t you allow a LEO to rummage thru?

People like you will be throwing my descendants in a gulag one day. Hyperbole. Mostly joking… if leftists don’t win.

So basically you’re advocating for self policing of game? If you can’t access someone’s property (in some states private land is over 95% of total land) how on earth will anything ever get enforced? Sit at the road and yell “did yall commit any violations today?”
if Bobby can fly his super hi tech thermal drone all over my property with impunity than I suppose law enforcement can too.

 

[BenA]

I don't see where he broke any laws? Law enforcement said he didn't own the property. They found out he did own it. That should have been a real easy one that never made it to the ticket stage. Evidence showed the bait was there in July and gone when checked. The soil samples showed some traces of sodium and DEET were still there, but no traces of bait were found. I'm all for putting the screws to poachers, but I haven't read anything that makes me think he did anything outside the law. And, the courts didn't find anything either.

 

[Ben.MN/WI]

Innocent people get entrapped every day.

As to the rest of the post, because the 4th amendment. Illegal search and seizure.

I have a trespassing, baiting, poaching neighbor who pretends to be a hunter but only seems to have luck while hunting illegally. I'm all for any methods they can use to catch guys like that in the act.

After watching those drone deer recovery videos, it is clear that they can detect illegal activity without harming natural deer movement on that property or neighboring properties.