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[Howboutthemdawgs]

The problem with this debate is it has become political. If you think it’s warming you are a liberal and conservatives wouldn’t admit it’s warming if their feet were melting to the asphalt. With that said I get it…the second the government started dictating our actions and taking our money based on the narrative they can fix it, while at the same time engaging in pure acts of hypocrisy, it became political. Science is inconclusive on whether the earth is warming (right or wrong) and even if they did agree they can’t agree on why. So for the government to come and start doing it’s socialist bullshit it immediately isolated a group from attempting keep an open mind.

Personally I have no doubt we are warming. Is it a trend? Is it an anomaly? Is it going to start cooling tomorrow? No one knows so I have a hard time when anyone speaks in absolutes taking them seriously. I don’t know what the answer is obviously and no one else does either. I personally don’t think handcuffing one group of people (country or state or city) while another group get a pass cause they are developing is ridiculous. If politicians want to regulate us while they fly big private jets across the globe they can F off. If they tell us we cant drive f250’s while we pave and asphalt shingle the whole country you lose my support. Anyway just my .02 on it

 

[Ben.MN/WI]

During the ice age, glaciers covered half the continent. During a warmer period, large trees grew far north of where the tree line now ends.

Are temps and sea levels changing faster now than before? Maybe, but maybe not. Can we do anything to significantly change things one way or the other? Maybe, but maybe not.

Do I think developed nations should cripple themselves with energy generation restrictions while India and china do whatever they want? No, that is ridiculous. It will lead to a bigger trade imbalance because goods produced here using high priced green energy rates will cost more than those produced elsewhere with lower energy costs.

 

[omicron1792]

Don't believe what you've seen with your own eyes OR the scientists. Believe what internet experts tell you. It's always a conspiracy.

The hottest day in recorded history happened many times last year, but I'm sure that's just politics.

What in what I said makes you think I’m believing the internet over my own eyes?

I made a 100 in my phd level statistics class. My professor emailed me after and said I was only person ever to make a 100 in his class. I made a 100 on college level calculus. I have written, peer reviewed, and studied thousands of journal level articles. I know how to read and interpret data.

If anyone is believing the hype, it’s the “climate change” crowd. But go on thinking only dummies believe it’s fake.

 

[b116757]

How long have we recorded temps? How old is the earth? I’m sure we are getting a very accurate cross section of earths natural cycles with our expansive sampling size. O snap a little common sense just destroyed a bunch of junk science.

 

[Stubborn1VT]

What in what I said makes you think I’m believing the internet over my own eyes?

I made a 100 in my phd level statistics class. My professor emailed me after and said I was only person ever to make a 100 in his class. I made a 100 on college level calculus. I have written, peer reviewed, and studied thousands of journal level articles. I know how to read and interpret data.

If anyone is believing the hype, it’s the “climate change” crowd. But go on thinking only dummies believe it’s fake.

Guess I'm done with this thread. People can be intelligent and still deny that it's warmer. I'm in VT and we have: species that don't leave for the winter, new species who have migrated north, less snow, less ice, hotter summers, warmer winters, more extreme storms, stronger winds etc.
People will deny climate change while ignoring multiple years of drought.
I don't get it. I don't want the government in charge of every aspect of my life, but that won't make me deny both the data and what I see.

 

[Mortenson]

Guess I'm done with this thread. People can be intelligent and still deny that it's warmer. I'm in VT and we have: species that don't leave for the winter, new species who have migrated north, less snow, less ice, hotter summers, warmer winters, more extreme storms, stronger winds etc.
People will deny climate change while ignoring multiple years of drought.
I don't get it. I don't want the government in charge of every aspect of my life, but that won't make me deny both the data and what I see.

So the science says we're something like 2 degrees warmer. What new species do you have now because it's 2 degrees warmer?

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

We have armadillos now and our rattlesnake population has unfortunately increased. I don’t think ticks are dying off in the winters en masse anymore (but that’s a theory not a fact). Ducks aren’t migrating south like they historically have. Why would they…they have open water and food up north all year.
Smallmouth and pike are infiltrating western rivers in historic trout territory due to increasing water temps.

 

[Mortenson]

We have armadillos now and our rattlesnake population has unfortunately increased. I don’t think ticks are dying off in the winters en masse anymore (but that’s a theory not a fact). Ducks aren’t migrating south like they historically have. Why would they…they have open water and food up north all year.
Smallmouth and pike are infiltrating western rivers in historic trout territory due to increasing water temps.

Look to the sky. The illinois river is frozen now.

 

[Mortenson]

Wild pigs are expanding north too. I didn't think it was because it's 2 degrees warmer. I just thought they were a tenacious pest spreading from their location of origin.

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

Look to the sky. The illinois river is frozen now.

It was a broad statement, waterfowling has absolutely been atrocious south of say Illinois for the last several years. Many theories but open water up north is one of the leading ones.

And pigs are just worthless assholes. I bet it’s only a matter of time before I get them. They will grow to 900 lbs with all the bait piles up here

 

[Mortenson]

Don't pike thrive in Alaska and all over Northern Canada? Are those waters warmer than western US trout streams? Maybe they are, I dunno. I guess my point is, why is it global warming if an animal can live elsewhere? In the case of pike or bass, aren't they just better predators?

 

[omicron1792]

It can also be warmer AND it not be caused predominantly by humans.

Where has it ever been a written law that the earths climate for every area will remain static?

 

[letemgrow]

Would have thought the average highs and lows would have been lower….

Would have never thought the average high would have been above freezing.

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[Mortenson]

waterfowling has absolutely been atrocious south of say Illinois for the last several years.

My neighbor across the street is in KY again duck hunting as we speak. Goes every year. His wife ran into my parents getting groceries yesterday. Guess they're getting limits easily. He's in his 80s and has been going forever.

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

Don't pike thrive in Alaska and all over Northern Canada? Are those waters warmer than western US trout streams? Maybe they are, I dunno. I guess my point is, why is it global warming if an animal can live elsewhere? In the case of pike or trout, aren't they just better predators?

They do. I’ve caught pike in Alaska. I think it has more to do with the recent population spikes in those waters. Typically in western rivers, the stretch down from the headwaters or tail water holds trout and further downstream you get your warm water species. Recently that line of delineation is getting pushed upstream more and more. Additionally, speaking from first hand experience, it’s getting too warm to fish for trout earlier and earlier in the summer. After 70 degrees trout become lethargic and those that do bite tend to die after being caught due to lack of dissolved oxygen. I’ve seen this recently as early as July 4th. Hoot owl restrictions (can’t fish from around noon till dark) is happening earlier and earlier. Voluntary and mandatory closures and happening earlier and earlier. Two things are happening out west. 1 it’s getting warmer during the peak of the summer. That’s not debatable. 2nd is the runoff, which normally sustains fresh cool water through the summer is happening earlier and faster than normal. So the snowpack is melting in May and rapidly as opposed to dragging out through the summer.
Sorry for the dissertation, it’s just my observation on this subject.

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

My neighbor across the street is in KY again duck hunting as we speak. Goes every year. His wife ran into my parents getting groceries yesterday. Guess they're getting limits easily. He's in his 80s and has been going forever.

Yeah and there’s guys whacking them in ark right now but it’s good properties are getting the small piece of the pie.

I referenced growing up in the twin cities. Everyone had snowmobiles. I had one when I was 6 years old. Now if you own a snowmobile in Minneapolis you better own a trailer too.

All that said I’m not blaming our trucks or cow farts. I’m just making observations I can see and feel. And trust me, I’m a conservative.

 

[Mortenson]

Here's the next 2 weeks in St. Paul. If there's snow on the ground now, should be great sledding. Also the ice fishing is probably strong right now too. It's probably too cold to snow. Usually the colder it is, the less it snows.

 

[homerj]

I'm curious to know where a person would sled in the Cities proper? Down by the G.F. Memorial?

Pretty sure nobody is riding a sled in the Cities and nobody has for many years. In the 'burbs? Sure, in high snow fall years. MN is not a high snowfall state, with the possible exception of the North shore.

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

I'm curious to know where a person would sled in the Cities proper? Down by the G.F. Memorial?

Pretty sure nobody is riding a sled in the Cities and nobody has for many years. In the 'burbs? Sure, in high snow fall years. MN is not a high snowfall state, with the possible exception of the North shore.

It was a generality. I didn’t specify white bear lake I just said that region. And yeah everyone was sledding in the suburbs in the 80’s. We were just as likely to take the sleds to my grandparents house a couple miles away as we were the car in the winter.

 

[Mortenson]

Yeah and there’s guys whacking them in ark right now but it’s good properties are getting the small piece of the pie.

Isn't that the way all hunting is nowadays? I blame youtube and social media. You're trying to reminisce about days before internet. Everyone is a wanna-be pro now. Everyone wants to self-film arrowing a 2.5 yr old buck on public land. Everyone wants to buy some calls, thermals, and cool guns and be the coolest predator hunter on FB. Same with duck gear. Someone here (maybe Swampcat) said he blames the duck hunting on pressure, at least partly. The Sligh's of the world will obviously be better off. Good properties win out. I personally don't blame global warming for better properties being better. Talked to a guy at the Bass Pro gun booth when we were getting my kid's rifle. He was picking up his new fancy duck gun after waiting the 72 hour simmer down period. Asked him how the duck hunting was this year. He replied, "don't know, haven't gone yet!"

Edit to say that my kid's new rifle is a noteworthy part of that as well. He doesn't have to launch 12 gauge slugs at the deer like we grew up doing. Govt now allows the use of a sweet 400 Legend straightwall. So the deer hunting will continue to get worse, but not because of 2 degrees of warming.