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[sandbur]

Kooch,

No turning point in the order? That's a well liked one from chainsaw. PArent tree is about 30 miles away from my camp.

Sandbur,

There's a lot to complain about in NY. However, you can get 5 deer tags and like 4-5 months to use them. If you're not sick of being out in the cold by then, PA is right next door with January flintlock season. 3 tags for out of state folks for only $126. Their public land has food plots! And they manage their forestland logging to favor wildlife too.

One of the best apples out there, Granny Smith. It was a seedling that grew in a compost pile.

I can get 3 tags here plus a free landowner tag if I allow public hunting. I don’t. Then two more antlerless tags for a special season.

I feel our management areas are not managed for deer but are managed for what someone feels the area looked like about 200 years ago.

 

[swampbuck]

Kooch asked the same question.

Here is the tag.View attachment 856982013

Thanks. Tree looks great

 

[Bowsnbucks]

Just for further reference on Kerr - ours at camp are in an ideal situation. All day sun, gentle south-facing slope, good soil, good drainage, caged & screened. But Kerr seems to grow slower and not get as tall as some other trees. FWIW.

 

[bigboreblr]

This might interest folks following sandbur's interests.

All University of Minnesota Apple Varieties | Minnesota Hardy

Since the apple breeding program began at the University of Minnesota in 1878, 29 apple varieties have been released. Some University-developed varieties are no longer available, so we have listed all the current U of M varieties, many of which you can purchase from local nurseries and orchards.

mnhardy.umn.edu

I feel kerr is a lot like whitetail crabs crossbow. I wonder what happens if you plant the graft deep. If I recall you need at least 4 inches below for it to become a seedling.

 

[Smokegobbler]

I'm getting good growth on my kerr trees. I have a couple on antonovka planted in 2018 that are about 14'. They're still putting on good growth (about 1.5' per year) despite being loaded with fruit. Coons found them a few weeks ago and striped them in a couple of nights.

 

[sandbur]

This might interest folks following sandbur's interests.

All University of Minnesota Apple Varieties | Minnesota Hardy

Since the apple breeding program began at the University of Minnesota in 1878, 29 apple varieties have been released. Some University-developed varieties are no longer available, so we have listed all the current U of M varieties, many of which you can purchase from local nurseries and orchards.

mnhardy.umn.edu

I feel kerr is a lot like whitetail crabs keepsake. I wonder what happens if you plant the graft deep. If I recall you need at least 4 inches below for it to become a seedling.

I see they don’t mention Haralred. I prefer it over Haralson. I think Haralred was not from the U.

 

[sandbur]

I'm getting good growth on my kerr trees. I have a couple on antonovka planted in 2018 that are about 14'. They're still putting on good growth (about 1.5' per year) despite being loaded with fruit. Coons found them a few weeks ago and striped them in a couple of nights.

Good to hear. I wish I had them on a different rootstock than B118.

 

[sandbur]

I have a couple of seedlings planted in the woods/old clearing up north. I think it is coons that got to them. Cages are collapsed as well. Some matted down areas under the tree.

 

[Kooch]

Kooch,

No turning point in the order? That's a well liked one from chainsaw. PArent tree is about 30 miles away from my camp.

Sandbur,

There's a lot to complain about in NY. However, you can get 5 deer tags and like 4-5 months to use them. If you're not sick of being out in the cold by then, PA is right next door with January flintlock season. 3 tags for out of state folks for only $126. Their public land has food plots! And they manage their forestland logging to favor wildlife too.

One of the best apples out there, Granny Smith. It was a seedling that grew in a compost pile.

There are a lot of trees on my RADAR. I just don’t think I have the energy to plant more than 9 in any single year. I plan to keep planting though.


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[sandbur]

There are a lot of trees on my RADAR. I just don’t think I have the energy to plant more than 9 in any single year. I plan to keep planting though.


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You are much better off to plant less trees and take better care of them for the first 2-3 years. I have over extended myself and you get stunted trees for years.

 

[bigboreblr]

You can make tree planting a bit easier. Some folks dig a bigger hole to ammend the soil. It can be done months before planting. Get the materials down there by each tree ahead of time. Mulch, wedmat cut, cages cut n formed.. At bare minmum, if you need lime spread it in the area in the fall..
Could even leave the hole dug ready to put the tree in.

Thats a big reason I like air pruning pots. Graft your trees, take care of them at home in summer, late summer / fall plant as you go. I got a Violi's from SLN with my 20205 spring order. Thing barely had any roots. So I put it in a 5 gallon pot. Planted it in september. It is my biggest tree in my order from them this year. There are many tree places that sell you a tree they grafted a year ago, Most will fit in a 5 gallon pot, might have to offset for a big root, might have to trim a few roots. They make bigger pots than 5 gallon 2. Just order 10 1 gallon anf 10 5 gallons last night. I have heavy clay soil at home, it s just mess trying to dig the roots out of the ground well to transplant. These a way way easier. I think the faster growth is keeping the soil warmer. Jsut like raised beds. I have some of these pruning pots on year 4 now. 2 screws any they open up.

https://www.amazon.com/RooTrimmer-Pruning-Plastic-Vegetable-Self-Planting/dp/B0CQ85DVYD/ref=sr_1_4_sspa?crid=3QQ2E80TKDMC1&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.o-bFaP3VDffDZ8xsouVqw1ooIHB7FC7PCG28hE4zk1kY9GpE8zUHSeWXo1vSc8qu6w5iB2dx7GFq9XUYhByPVDbcG1GM3SbYZbF_QhdAUhfsjpOiHzYd3VEVIyiErQOeW-HkrlxwTo5o1V2egtEZQMo67S8MLyZNu89sAKPEiqIQl5N4x3l3NIK87j1peq77yc0ypkSsHTlc5LzyaynOAji8iUg21SXfJ3N0Dl0B3z4e9RfAEGyifrX0XWGzHlJCqNb7gpUx0Tw1jsgXvCG0rkfxGqsFgYohK3A45J1kRKI.17-YtrN_DRWHeL2uuDwiz6EoPmQVw-PxI2DOmWjNUAY&dib_tag=se&keywords=air%2Bpruning%2Bpots&qid=1763817070&sprefix=pruning%2Bpot%2Caps%2C747&sr=8-4-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&th=1

 

[Bowsnbucks]

You can make tree planting a bit easier. Some folks dig a bigger hole to ammend the soil. It can be done months before planting. Get the materials down there by each tree ahead of time. Mulch, wedmat cut, cages cut n formed.. At bare minmum, if you need lime spread it in the area in the fall..
Could even leave the hole dug ready to put the tree in.

Thats a big reason I like air pruning pots. Graft your trees, take care of them at home in summer, late summer / fall plant as you go. I got a Violi's from SLN with my 20205 spring order. Thing barely had any roots. So I put it in a 5 gallon pot. Planted it in september. It is my biggest tree in my order from them this year. There are many tree places that sell you a tree they grafted a year ago, Most will fit in a 5 gallon pot, might have to offset for a big root, might have to trim a few roots. They make bigger pots than 5 gallon 2. Just order 10 1 gallon anf 10 5 gallons last night. I have heavy clay soil at home, it s just mess trying to dig the roots out of the ground well to transplant. These a way way easier. I think the faster growth is keeping the soil warmer. Jsut like raised beds. I have some of these pruning pots on year 4 now. 2 screws any they open up.

https://www.amazon.com/RooTrimmer-Pruning-Plastic-Vegetable-Self-Planting/dp/B0CQ85DVYD/ref=sr_1_4_sspa?crid=3QQ2E80TKDMC1&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.o-bFaP3VDffDZ8xsouVqw1ooIHB7FC7PCG28hE4zk1kY9GpE8zUHSeWXo1vSc8qu6w5iB2dx7GFq9XUYhByPVDbcG1GM3SbYZbF_QhdAUhfsjpOiHzYd3VEVIyiErQOeW-HkrlxwTo5o1V2egtEZQMo67S8MLyZNu89sAKPEiqIQl5N4x3l3NIK87j1peq77yc0ypkSsHTlc5LzyaynOAji8iUg21SXfJ3N0Dl0B3z4e9RfAEGyifrX0XWGzHlJCqNb7gpUx0Tw1jsgXvCG0rkfxGqsFgYohK3A45J1kRKI.17-YtrN_DRWHeL2uuDwiz6EoPmQVw-PxI2DOmWjNUAY&dib_tag=se&keywords=air%2Bpruning%2Bpots&qid=1763817070&sprefix=pruning%2Bpot%2Caps%2C747&sr=8-4-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&th=1

Agree with this ^ ^ ^.

When our camp planted 20 trees at a time a few years back, I sprayed gly on 4 ft. circles the previous fall, to kill off anything at each planting spot. I cut the window screen to size, pre-fabbed the cages, had the landscape fabric cut to size, had aluminum tags pre-made to ID each tree, had stakes at each spot, etc. Anything you can do ahead of time makes planting time less stressful. Other younger camp members dug holes, and spread the limestone screenings from a pick-up truck at each tree.

 

[RGrizzzz]

Agree with this ^ ^ ^.

When our camp planted 20 trees at a time a few years back, I sprayed gly on 4 ft. circles the previous fall, to kill off anything at each planting spot. I cut the window screen to size, pre-fabbed the cages, had the landscape fabric cut to size, had aluminum tags pre-made to ID each tree, had stakes at each spot, etc. Anything you can do ahead of time makes planting time less stressful. Other younger camp members dug holes, and spread the limestone screenings from a pick-up truck at each tree.

From a truck?!?! Too easy! A few years ago dad and I started a 10 tree planting in the woods. Lugging lime, dirt, trees, fertilizer, cages, weedmats, tools etc. was a chore! It was only 50-100 yards from the Ranger, but it was WORK. The follow year my dad's cousin opened a little more area and he helped me plant another 6. He wasn't a fan either.

 

[sandbur]

Agree with this ^ ^ ^.

When our camp planted 20 trees at a time a few years back, I sprayed gly on 4 ft. circles the previous fall, to kill off anything at each planting spot. I cut the window screen to size, pre-fabbed the cages, had the landscape fabric cut to size, had aluminum tags pre-made to ID each tree, had stakes at each spot, etc. Anything you can do ahead of time makes planting time less stressful. Other younger camp members dug holes, and spread the limestone screenings from a pick-up truck at each tree.

That’s what I used to do.

 

[sandbur]

From a truck?!?! Too easy! A few years ago dad and I started a 10 tree planting in the woods. Lugging lime, dirt, trees, fertilizer, cages, weedmats, tools etc. was a chore! It was only 50-100 yards from the Ranger, but it was WORK. The follow year my dad's cousin opened a little more area and he helped me plant another 6. He wasn't a fan either.

I did that with 4 or 5 trees in the northwoods. The one pictured above with bent branches was one of them.

 

[RGrizzzz]

I did that with 4 or 5 trees in the northwoods. The one pictured above with bent branches was one of them.

Your pictures keep me hopeful for the rewards of that work!

 

[Bowsnbucks]

From a truck?!?! Too easy! A few years ago dad and I started a 10 tree planting in the woods. Lugging lime, dirt, trees, fertilizer, cages, weedmats, tools etc. was a chore! It was only 50-100 yards from the Ranger, but it was WORK. The follow year my dad's cousin opened a little more area and he helped me plant another 6. He wasn't a fan either.

The areas we planted trees are old, established fields and openings. We have roads in & around the areas we planted, plus we have 4X4 trucks & wheelers that can haul materials into those fields & openings. All our fruit trees are in fields or large openings for the sunlight - no small forest openings, so it made things easier. We wouldn't have as many trees if we had to hand-lug stuff. Over the years, I dug plenty of holes for fruit trees and other habitat trees covering many acres. I put my sweat and labor into our land, so I can appreciate what your guys have done there.

Kudos to you gents for the effort you put in! It'll be worth it in the long run.

 

[RGrizzzz]

The areas we planted trees are old, established fields and openings. We have roads in & around the areas we planted, plus we have 4X4 trucks & wheelers that can haul materials into those fields & openings. All our fruit trees are in fields or large openings for the sunlight - no small forest openings, so it made things easier. We wouldn't have as many trees if we had to hand-lug stuff. Over the years, I dug plenty of holes for fruit trees and other habitat trees covering many acres. I put my sweat and labor into our land, so I can appreciate what your guys have done there.

Kudos to you gents for the effort you put in! It'll be worth it in the long run.

Dad planted the edges of the fields around the house years ago with fruit trees and sawtooths. The last year or two they have all be significantly producing and it's really been keeping deer checking them daily. It's about time to put up an archery stand so we can hunt them.

 

[bigboreblr]

Wish I had more room for oaks. Got a couple at home.

Doing anything special for the 100th page on here Sandbur?