Conspiracy theorys, where do you stand?

[Westwind]

There are two branches of military in Iran, the IRGC and the Artesh. The IRGC are the hard core fanatical islamists and the Artesh is “regular army”. They will keep trying to hammer the IRGC with hope that they Artesh will take over and secure the country for a non-theocratic government.

 

[Westwind]

Ryan MacBeth: “Every day we shoot million dollar missiles at Iran is one day we can’t shoot them at China next year when they attack Taiwan.”

We gotta ramp up our production. Sheesh this is a damn dangerous time.

 

[Telemark]

We already killed the entire top rung of leadership in Iran. What is the point of this now? What is our endpoint where the bombing can stop?

https://twitter.com/x/status/2028039411191959603

Do knock out as much of the IRGC as possible, as well as missile sites and drone production facilities.

 

[Westwind]

“Disclose.tv is a German-based online platform and disinformation outlet founded in 2007 by Uwe Braun's Futurebytes GmbH & Co. KG. Operating primarily in English as a news aggregator, the site has over 4 million followers across social media. It is known for promoting conspiracy theories, fake news and misinformation.”

Sooooo, conspiracy theories… Could they be true or are they trying to manipulate us? A German company “operating primarily in English as a news aggregator…”

What is “Disinformation?” Disinformation is false or misleading information that is deliberately created, spread, and/or amplified to deceive, manipulate, or harm a person, organization, or country.

 

[SD51555]

“Disclose.tv is a German-based online platform and disinformation outlet founded in 2007 by Uwe Braun's Futurebytes GmbH & Co. KG. Operating primarily in English as a news aggregator, the site has over 4 million followers across social media. It is known for promoting conspiracy theories, fake news and misinformation.”

Sooooo, conspiracy theories… Could they be true or are they trying to manipulate us? A German company “operating primarily in English as a news aggregator…”

What is “Disinformation?” Disinformation is false or misleading information that is deliberately created, spread, and/or amplified to deceive, manipulate, or harm a person, organization, or country.

I haven't found them to wrong about anything they've reported. Here's the same information from The Economic Times and posted by MSN.

MSN

 

[SD51555]

Do knock out as much of the IRGC as possible, as well as missile sites and drone production facilities.

I don't see any peace option the Iranians could ever entertain with isreael. When you see (and they've had a front row seat) what they've done to every country around them, the broken cease fires, the invasions, attacks, false flags, and genocides, to disarm would be national suicide.

This is all predicated on the idea that Iran is a sovereign nation. I have my doubts. Let's not lose sight of the fact Obama gave them $150 billion dollars in the pallets of cash operation, and Biden gave them $83 billion in weapons and gear via the Taliban-US weapons rummage sale in Afghanistan. Which further illustrates my point that we are always funding the "terror" we're fighting.

It's quite the puzzle to try to figure out what's really going on over there. Is it really a war, or just a big wealth transfer under the ruse of war? If we're in a legit fight, we may be in deep shit, because the entire west and NATO couldn't keep up munitions manufacturing for the Nazis fighting the Russians in Ukraine. With that still going on, and now Iran, we may be way over our skis here.

I wish very much our troops were not in the middle of this giant mistake, and pray they can get out of there quickly and safely.

 

[Telemark]

I don't see any peace option the Iranians could ever entertain with isreael

What do you mean? I never suggested a peace agreement between Israel and Iran, though that is potentially an option if the Iranian government is replaced. I mentioned a peace agreement between the Arabs and the Israelis against the Iranians, which has been in the works for years.

 

[SD51555]

What do you mean? I never suggested a peace agreement between Israel and Iran, though that is potentially an option if the Iranian government is replaced. I mentioned a peace agreement between the Arabs and the Israelis against the Iranians, which has been in the works for years.

I skipped a few steps ahead. I didn't mean you suggested that.

What I'm saying is, if Iran is bombed into rubble, is that the end point? It can't be. That's why I question the whole operation in general. There is no end point to this conflict that can satisfy both sides. There is no amount of disarmament that will satisfy israel. There is no amount of subjugation that Iran can tolerate because they know what happens next if they cannot defend themselves.

 

[Westwind]

couldn't keep up munitions manufacturing for the Nazis fighting the Russians in Ukraine

Come on, man.

This is 100% parroting the Kremlin’s bs justification for invading a neighboring country. And it is 100% false. A lie. A tall tale. But you slipped it in there like it is fact.

We all have to get better at recognizing disinformation and calling it out when we see it. It isn’t fun. It has to be done.

 

[SD51555]

Come on, man.

This is 100% parroting the Kremlin’s bs justification for invading a neighboring country. And it is 100% false. A lie. A tall tale. But you slipped it in there like it is fact.

We all have to get better at recognizing disinformation and calling it out when we see it. It isn’t fun. It has to be done.

Ok.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t blindly trust the media either, but this was the narrative from the same outfits giving us the facts today. This is the folly of picking a fight with regimes built to win vs regimes built to pillage the treasuries of their own citizenry.

Ukraine war: Western allies say they are running out of ammunition

The UK and Nato say ammunition production must be ramped up so Ukraine can defend itself against Russia.

www.bbc.com

The Peril of Ukraine's Ammo Shortage

Since Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, one type of weapon has loomed large over every other.

time.com

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/04/politics/ukraine-munition-shortages#:~:text=NATO%20Secretary%20General%20Jens%20Stoltenberg,defense%20official%20said%20last%20month.

Years of U.S., NATO miscalculations left Ukraine massively outgunned

The U.S. Army and NATO made key strategic, funding and production mistakes that led to shortages of a pivotal weapon Ukraine needs to thwart Russia's advances.

www.reuters.com

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[Westwind]

I’m headed out to my happy place- my tractor seat.

I have no doubt that you can find links that make the same claims that Putin makes. Doesn’t make it true.

 

[Telemark]

There is no end point to this conflict that can satisfy both sides. There is no amount of disarmament that will satisfy israel.

That's probably not true. It's not necessary to destroy Iran, nor is it the objective. They want either regime change or to cripple the regime if they can't overthrow it.

 

[Foggy47]

It's been stated that the US objective is to remove all weapons that could danger Americans in the region and elsewhere. Given the 47 year mission of Iran of "death to American" I think that is a worthy objective. Look at the many years of terrorism events that have been done to the us and the world with the support of these camel jockeys and all the factions they support. The line in the sand has been clear for years. Enough. The evil empire has to go. Gonna be a crazy few weeks I expect. Gotta wonder what happens to the markets this week. Tho...it's not like we didn't know this was coming.

What is readily apparent to me is that there is a reason Trump wanted those he could trust in his cabinet.....they are a cohesive bunch for certain. Can you imagine Biden cabinet under this scenario? Or Trumps cabinet in his first Presidency? No way.

 

[Foggy47]

It appears as tho Iran's neighbors could step up here to keep Iran in check.....once we and the Israeli's get this job done. I think there has been allot of negotiations and planning with thes Arab countries to establish a future without so damn much conflict in this area. One can hope.

 

[Foggy47]

The E.U. is "permitting" the USA to use European Air Bases as long as we use them to take out missile capabilities of Iran. LMAO.....Gay Bastards.....those missiles just could be aimed at them.....and they grant us permission to take 'em out. Wow.....don't bother to thank us.....and pay your UN bills and step up to the plate you dumb bastards.

I think much of Europe is now under Muslim control.....much like Minneapolis and other large metro areas. Somehow.....we need to correct these situations here in America. Trump is the ONLY one with enough balls to do this job....at this point. Consider the alternatives?? Not too good....if you ask me. Let's get this job done.....it's LONG over due.

I'm not sure what Europe can do. I think it is too late for several countries. Belgium, France, Germany, Netherlands, Great Britain??? Not sure....but many of those are on the bubble. Gonna need more Trump-like people....with some real resolve to get some of these countries back. Could be too late.

 

[Westwind]

They are kinda busy staring down the Russians.

 

[Foggy47]

In other news......just paid my bill for power at Deertopia in the past few days. Paid 'em $35.00 which I think is the minimum bill these days? Still, I got 3 Battery Tenders, numerous power tool batteries, a block heater, and power on demand. I just have no demand in January and February. Amy power bills run about this level for 8 months out of the year....but I do get a few in summer that could be like $50 if I do some welding or spend allot of time at my land.

I wonder if my power bills for the year total $500 / $600 for all the power I want? For me, the BIG bills come in November and December when I heat my little cabin. Then the bills run about $90 / month or so. I love me some grid power, apple pie and "Merica. Safe, and no maintainance too! Just saying.

 

[SD51555]

In other news......just paid my bill for power at Deertopia in the past few days. Paid 'em $35.00 which I think is the minimum bill these days? Still, I got 3 Battery Tenders, numerous power tool batteries, a block heater, and power on demand. I just have no demand in January and February. Amy power bills run about this level for 8 months out of the year....but I do get a few in summer that could be like $50 if I do some welding or spend allot of time at my land.

I wonder if my power bills for the year total $500 / $600 for all the power I want? For me, the BIG bills come in November and December when I heat my little cabin. Then the bills run about $90 / month or so. I love me some grid power, apple pie and "Merica. Safe, and no maintainance too! Just saying.

Hey, this was a civilized thread until you brought up grid power. Don't you go scoffing at my energy independence.

 

[Bill]

In other news......just paid my bill for power at Deertopia in the past few days. Paid 'em $35.00 which I think is the minimum bill these days? Still, I got 3 Battery Tenders, numerous power tool batteries, a block heater, and power on demand. I just have no demand in January and February. Amy power bills run about this level for 8 months out of the year....but I do get a few in summer that could be like $50 if I do some welding or spend allot of time at my land.

I wonder if my power bills for the year total $500 / $600 for all the power I want? For me, the BIG bills come in November and December when I heat my little cabin. Then the bills run about $90 / month or so. I love me some grid power, apple pie and "Merica. Safe, and no maintainance too! Just saying.

Don’t move east. I pay more for electric “Delivery” fees than KW usage. Delivery fees are the electric companies way of saying we’re charging you for the carbon offset taxes and recapping our state taxes, that your blue state is charging us.

Your total bill for the year wouldn’t touch the cost we pay to keep our LED lights on for 3 months.

When my kids complain I just say keep voting D. Which pisses them off because they don’t but the neighbors do…….

 

[Ben.MN/WI]

My Wisconsin cabin has a $60 monthly fee to be hooked up to the system and most months I use less than $20 in electricity. It is irritating, but it is what it is.