How do you figure that D.C. doesn't need more law and order? They too are above the national average in violent crime. That's even just going by their "official" stats, which they have been credibly accused of manipulating.
Conspiracy theorys, where do you stand?
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It would be more helpful if you would share your definition of conspiracy theory since you are claiming a position.
Westwind
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A conspiracy theory is a belief or explanation that claims certain events or situations are the result of a secret, often unlawful, plot by a group of people—typically powerful individuals, governments, or organizations—working together behind the scenes.
Key aspects usually include:
Secretive Collaboration – It assumes coordinated action by multiple parties, hidden from the public.
Unlawful or Deceptive Goals – The alleged purpose often involves wrongdoing, manipulation, or control.
Contradicts Official Accounts – It typically challenges or rejects mainstream or authoritative explanations.
Difficult to Disprove – Claims may rely on selective evidence, speculation, or the idea that “lack of proof” is itself proof of the cover-up.
In short: it’s a belief that something big is being secretly planned or concealed, usually to the public’s harm or for someone’s gain.
Howboutthemdawgs
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From what I’ve seen every city in the country has areas that could use the national guard. And all cities are blue for whatever that’s worth.
Thanks, that is helpful. I would have defined it much differently.
Jerry-B-WI
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Want to share your definition?
Westwind
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I think a lot of people (not saying you did) assume when I mention "conspiracy theory" it's an attack on maga etc.
I hate all of the goofy psudo-newsy looking bs. I got drawn into reading a big post about how the Pa. assasination attempt was a hoax. There was a lot of convenient "facts", a lot of "is it a coincidence", "connect the dots" type nonsense in it. If I was not a very skeptical reader, the post made it sound totally believeable that the incident was all staged. It wasn't. A nutbag shot at the president. He killed a rally goer. Saying that Trumps people planned it does a disservice to the truth and to the country. And feeding the nutbags with more crazy talk doesnt serve free speech or democracy, it corrodes it.
The amount of cops and normal people who have been shot by crazies the last few weeks is insane. In my home state, the cops got called to a house for a naked guy on his lawn. When they got there he shot at them, hit one or both. He set his house on fire and apparently fled on a bicycle. Nutbag shoots shoppers in a Target. Nutbag stabs shoppers at a Walmart. Does the nonsense people are reading online make them crazier? who knows. I work with a guy who was a genuinely fun and happy guy. He "got involved" in what he thinks is politics. It has ruined his life. Mad about everything. Everything is liberal vs. conservative. The "other side" is destroying the country. Life is hard enough without putting yourself through that.
Brian662
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A lot of inconvenient truth in here.
jsasker007
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It sure doesn't help that COMMON SENSE is super hard to find anywhere right now. jmo
Hoytvectrix
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Common sense doesn't really mean anything. People can rationalize anything. It's never been easier to find info that confirms your biases. Hell, there are entire media empires that cater to particular viewpoints. This isn't even bringing up social media or tailored search algorithms.
Social scientists that have been studying these influences have been warning about the long term negative effects. The problem is that the least informed and the most mis-informed people are often the ones most confident in their beliefs.
Social scientists that have been studying these influences have been warning about the long term negative effects. The problem is that the least informed and the most mis-informed people are often the ones most confident in their beliefs.
The advent of the web changed everything. Too much info, and, too much false info. Hard core conspiracy ppl will ignore many obvious facts and latch onto only 1 thing that supports their narrative on a topic. They go on their rant, eyebrows raise, and others like me start doing a little checking to make sure i'm not that "head in the sand" guy.
For example: I'm good friends with the owner of the company I work for. He's very well off, decently educated, maga, and very successful at everything he does. He's also, what I would classify, a conspiracy theorist. While he doesn't believe the earth is flat (thank god), we have other spirited conversations about topics, like space travel. He doesn't believe we landed on the moon, period. He thinks it all was faked, the pics, video, tv coverage, the whole space program was a complete hollywood/gov't lie.
What's difficult for me is even getting past the first obvious facts that can't be proven wrong. Like, if what he's saying is true, then that would mean there's gotta be 10's of thousands of people on earth that are all keeping the same secret. That's not possible.
At that point, I'm not interested in going down the rabbit hole. I've resigned to believing the truth likely lies somewhere in the middle.
For example: I'm good friends with the owner of the company I work for. He's very well off, decently educated, maga, and very successful at everything he does. He's also, what I would classify, a conspiracy theorist. While he doesn't believe the earth is flat (thank god), we have other spirited conversations about topics, like space travel. He doesn't believe we landed on the moon, period. He thinks it all was faked, the pics, video, tv coverage, the whole space program was a complete hollywood/gov't lie.
What's difficult for me is even getting past the first obvious facts that can't be proven wrong. Like, if what he's saying is true, then that would mean there's gotta be 10's of thousands of people on earth that are all keeping the same secret. That's not possible.
At that point, I'm not interested in going down the rabbit hole. I've resigned to believing the truth likely lies somewhere in the middle.
Hoytvectrix
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I'm not ashamed to admit that there was a time when I believed something completely counter to robust evidence. My brother in law bought me a book called "Why People Believe Weird Things" by Michael Shermer. It was a super easy read and I cannot recommend it enough. The book spends more time talking about how people end up believing the weird things than actually disproving or debunking them. It was an eye-opening experience for me to see how I got sucked down a rabbit hole and how similar it is for others to do the same.
SD51555
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I think that is the goal. So long as people are mad and in a state of unrest, they cannot focus on what is going on around them. It goes far beyond politics. Consider that 100-150 years ago, people didn't have as many things causing them unrest like they have today:
Politics, sports, health, beauty, addiction, money, kids, crime, immigration, all sources of constant unrest, and you only need one to keep you distracted and distanced from everyone as a person battles their own demon.
I was genuinely puzzled when you mentioned that CDC thing down south. I truly don't watch or read the news. I check a few aggregators, but other than that, I just don't care because I know none of it objective or there to inform. Now I focus on trying to stay out of that unrest. So I don't get involved in keeping up with the Jones, politics (especially politics), and most of those other things. There are some simple rules to live by, and nearly all of those things go away if you just don't participate.
1. Don't listen to anything your TV tells you to do.
2. If it's not God's design, it's gonna be shit. Take a cue from the amish.
3. Nobody is running around working to do you any favors, government or corporation.
If you've been paying attention, it's pretty easy to avoid most of the sources of unrest today. Sometimes I still get worked up, but its less and less by the day. What's going on is obvious enough. If somone hasn't figured it out by now, they won't.
hillrunner
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Really? I have that book on the shelf right next to me. I found it extremely disappointing. Maybe I need to read it again, I was just expecting something more profound when I purchased it.
T-Max
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Thank, GOD! I thought we lost you for a second there…
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I suppose more broadly rather than much differently would be a more accurate statement. Most of what I see labeled as a conspiracy theory is just an opinion or point of view that is other than a strict belief in the official narrative. I don't believe that a plot to deceive is necessary, nor hidden actions.
Foggy47
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Ken Blackwell
August 13 at 6:43 PM ·Here is an extensive but still incomplete list of names of people in the Clintons’ orbit who have died.
1 - James McDougal – Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.
2 – Mary Mahoney – A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown .. The murder …happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
3 – Vince Foster – Former White House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
4 – Ron Brown – Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the Air Traffic controller commited suicide.
5 – C. Victor Raiser, II – Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
6 – Paul Tulley – Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a “dear friend and trusted advisor”.
7 – Ed Willey – Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
8 – Jerry Parks – Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock .. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
9 – James Bunch – Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a “Black Book” of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas
10 – James Wilson – Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater..
11 – Kathy Ferguson – Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
12 – Bill Shelton – Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.
13 – Gandy Baugh – Attorney for Clinton’s friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
14 – Florence Martin – Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal, Mena, Arkansas, airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.
15 – Suzanne Coleman – Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
16 – Paula Grober – Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
17 – Danny Casolaro – Investigative reporter, investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.
18 – Paul Wilcher – Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993, in his Washington DC apartment had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.
19 – Jon Parnell Walker – Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington ,Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.
20 – Barbara Wise – Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death: Unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, naked body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.
21 – Charles Meissner – Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.
22 – Dr. Stanley Heard – Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton ‘s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.
23 – Barry Seal – Drug running TWA pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no accident.
24 – Johnny Lawhorn, Jr. – Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.
25 – Stanley Huggins – Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.
26 – Hershell Friday – Attorney and Clinton fundraiser died March 1, 1994, when his plane exploded.
27 – Kevin Ives & Don Henry – Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.
THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:
28 – Keith Coney – Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.
29 – Keith McMaskle – Died, stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988
30 – Gregory Collins – Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
31 – Jeff Rhodes – He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
32 – James Milan – Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to natural causes”.
34 – Richard Winters – A suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.
THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE ALSO DEAD
35 – Major William S. Barkley, Jr.
36 – Captain Scott J . Reynolds
37 – Sgt. Brian Hanley
38 – Sgt. Tim Sabel
39 – Major General William Robertson
40 – Col. William Densberger
41 – Col. Robert Kelly
42 – Spec. Gary Rhodes
43 – Steve Willis
44 – Robert Williams
45 – Conway LeBleu
46 – Todd McKeehan
47 - Seth Rich, the DC staffer murdered and “robbed” of nothing. Wikileaks found Assange claims he had info on the DNC email scandalve oli
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Bill Loser
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Facts are facts, when in the end all of your "conspiracy theories" are proven true do you still call them conspiracy theories? Some might say you are the one spreading conspiracy theories by doing your best to explain away the conspiracy theories.
