Conspiracy theorys, where do you stand?
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Howboutthemdawgs
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Hoytvectrix
5 year old buck +
And now you know why congressional recess was called early. They were tipped off that the WSJ was writing this article.
bwoods11
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I’m curious if you guys mentioning Trump & the Epstein files think there’s an actual video of Trump with a minor or any real evidence of wrongdoing… because I’ve read 50x over, including today on CNBC that being mentioned in the Epstein file does not mean there’s any evidence of criminal activity!
I’ll wager his name is mentioned a few times, but no criminal evidence will be present … One Gardepro camera to the challenger ? Any takers ?
I’ll wager his name is mentioned a few times, but no criminal evidence will be present … One Gardepro camera to the challenger ? Any takers ?
Hoytvectrix
5 year old buck +
What do you mean by "real evidence"? Also, what is "wrongdoing"? Based on the original charges, Epstein was trafficking women who weren't minors as well. Trump may have been just using him to get access to adult women he could discreetly do whatever with (This is what I think many of the circled contacts in Epstein's black book were most likely doing). You can find the black book and a bunch of other things that are all public records linked here: https://theepsteindocs.com/
I don't think everyone that Epstein ran around with was a pedophile, or even someone that broke the law. With that said, Trump literally campaigned on releasing the findings of the Epstein investigations, and now he is seemingly trying to squash any investigation into them - reportedly going so far to pressure FBI agents to have his name removed. First the files existed and needed to be released (campaign 2024). They were on Bondi's desk (May 2025). Then they didn't exist (July 2025). Now they do exist but can't be released because some people might be unfairly associated with horrible things that took place in Epstein's circles.
What is the simplest explanation? That a guy who campaigned on releasing these files that incriminated his political enemies suddenly had a change of heart? Or, that a guy who has been a sexual deviant as long as he has been a public figure conveniently ran in the same circles as other sexual deviants? This is a guy that has cheated on every wife he has had. He has literally bragged on tape about sexually assaulting women. He has bragged about entering changing rooms of pageant contestants. Paid a pornstar for sex when married to the now First Lady and his current wife. Had to promise his 17 year old daughter he wouldn't date someone younger than her. Was found guilty in a sexual assault civil lawsuit. Literally every one of these things is verifiable and not exaggerated in any way.
The better question is why has it gotten to the point that it would it need to take video evidence of him raping a minor to become the line in the sand?
I personally don't know if releasing all of the Epstein files to the public is a good idea. Who knows if these are even any different than what is already out there? What SHOULD happen is there should be a special prosecutor appointed that is as bipartisan as possible and someone that won't be meddled with by Trump, just to remove any doubt. It doesn't seem like that is at all likely to happen though. More than anything, I just hope a proper investigation takes place (regardless of the outcome) so we can restore some confidence in our justice system.
Not even saying he would have to be guilty, but wouldn’t you wonder what he knew or didn’t know? 
bwoods11
5 year old buck +
Appoint a special prosecutor I agree with that, but I guarantee that if there was any serious evidence he did something wrong , it would have been released in 5 minutes.
They (the Democrats)made up the Russian Collusion hoax to try to frame Trump— all fake ! Why would they do that , if there’s serious evidence of Trump Crimes?
Why would they try to kill him twice ?
Wind Gypsy
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Brian662
5 year old buck +
I don't know how you can run on "drain the swamp" and "release the list", then appoint people who parrot the same talking points, only to hold a Hollywood-esque staged "phase one release" with a bunch of rumdum talking heads, then find out the DOJ discloses to Trump he's on "the list", and now there never was "a list".
The cover up is almost always worse than the crime. I don't know if Trump is guilty but reading between the lines, its hard to imagine he's innocent.
The cover up is almost always worse than the crime. I don't know if Trump is guilty but reading between the lines, its hard to imagine he's innocent.
Brian662
5 year old buck +
Yep. The Dems are *shockingly* crooked, he should have cooked them in 2017.
So we are back to the same thing I posted a few weeks ago. Either Trump is guilty or he's compromised. It's one or the other.
Hoytvectrix
5 year old buck +
Pretty suspicious timing that the Russian Collusion story is getting air again right now 
. It's almost like Trump and company and trying to draw parallels between that last conspiracy and this one.
Yes, I get the irony of this Epstein story getting attention when nothing more was publicly known since January of 2024 (and now today with the WSJ article).
Both sides use uncertainty to score political points. Democrats embellished a legitimate news story of Russia interfering with US elections to mean that Trump was colluding with Russia. Trump claims it was all a hoax because clear collusion wasn't found (despite their being literal convictions about the interference). The truth tends to be the grey area that satisfies no one.
The difference in this story is that this is a peculiar self- inflicted wound by Trump. I genuinely don't think there is overwhelming evidence incriminating him. But he campaigned on releasing this, found out in May his name was included, and tried to cover it up. Why would he do this though? Even getting almost a two month head start on this he is still fumbling. Of course Democrats are twisting the knife. I would expect Republicans to do the same if the situation was reversed.
. It's almost like Trump and company and trying to draw parallels between that last conspiracy and this one. Yes, I get the irony of this Epstein story getting attention when nothing more was publicly known since January of 2024 (and now today with the WSJ article).
Both sides use uncertainty to score political points. Democrats embellished a legitimate news story of Russia interfering with US elections to mean that Trump was colluding with Russia. Trump claims it was all a hoax because clear collusion wasn't found (despite their being literal convictions about the interference). The truth tends to be the grey area that satisfies no one.
The difference in this story is that this is a peculiar self- inflicted wound by Trump. I genuinely don't think there is overwhelming evidence incriminating him. But he campaigned on releasing this, found out in May his name was included, and tried to cover it up. Why would he do this though? Even getting almost a two month head start on this he is still fumbling. Of course Democrats are twisting the knife. I would expect Republicans to do the same if the situation was reversed.
Brian662
5 year old buck +
Hosed by insiders that he appointed?
They/he/anyone should have smoked Hillary and Co. for the Steele dossier.
That's on him.
H20fwler
5 year old buck +
Found out the DOJ disclosed to Trump that he was on the list?
Please post up actual facts of that statement, and not Rachel Maddow speculating. No left wing fake news MSM spin, real facts.
You apparently know more about it than the justice department does.
