Conspiracy theorys, where do you stand?

[Hoytvectrix]

I've lost just about all confidence in people's ability to think critically on just about anything. People are capable of convincing themselves of just about anything and it is easier than ever to find things to help them.do it. I used to think it was just a matter of people making time to read or learn about things. It is almost a complete waste of time to get into political discussions anymore because the VAST majority of people are finding things that confirm their biases and immediately disregard things that are a little less convenient. Algorithms tailoring content and echo chambers reinforce already under- or misinformed opinions. Very few are willing to consider the possibility they are wrong about something. It is much more work to fight against your own human nature. People don't genuinely want to be right. They want to *feel* right.

If you think you don't fall into that second group, ask yourself when was the last time you sought out information from sources from an opposing point of view? What is their steel man argument?

 

[Jerry-B-WI]

Check the results in Pennsylvania. Trump was ahead by 700,000 votes with only 1.4 million to be counted and LOST!!!

Source : NY Times

So he’s ahead the entire time, but suddenly the votes go 80%+ to Biden . Impossible. This was days after the election.

But where did the ballots come from?

 

[Brian662]

If it’s true, fanni Willis is the Fulton county da. That person would not be in prison on her watch. 1/2 of fulton, dekalb and Clayton co Georgia are some of the worst places in America. You have to understand these places to know fraud is entirely possible. I can’t prove anything but I wouldn’t put it past it to happen there if anywhere in a swing state.
Ironically the man Trump tried to strongarm in Georgia, Gov Kemp, would make a ten times better president than Trump.

Buddy I'm with you. I'm sure there is rampant corruption out there and especially in large metro areas, but the case should be taken to court if it's true. If there is someone willing to testify under oath about the injustices seen/done to Trump then let's see it. We are talking about politics, there is unlimited $$/resources to bring anything to light in a court room. Stonewalled? Appeal to a higher court and eventually make it to the SC. That's the way the constitution is meant to work and the justice system has to work it's course. I've said here before that Trump's redeeming quality is his SC selections.

Agreed on Kemp and I was in on DeSantis too until he started trying to act like Trump. What a shame.

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

I've lost just about all confidence in people's ability to think critically on just about anything. People are capable of convincing themselves of just about anything and it is easier than ever to find things to help them.do it. I used to think it was just a matter of people making time to read or learn about things. It is almost a complete waste of time to get into political discussions anymore because the VAST majority of people are finding things that confirm their biases and immediately disregard things that are a little less convenient. Algorithms tailoring content and echo chambers reinforce already under- or misinformed opinions. Very few are willing to consider the possibility they are wrong about something. It is much more work to fight against your own human nature. People don't genuinely want to be right. They want to *feel* right.

If you think you don't fall into that second group, ask yourself when was the last time you sought out information from sources from an opposing point of view? What is their steel man argument?

I agree with most of this. The one part I take a bit of an issue with is assuming people don’t consider the other side. With all due respect, how do any of us know what research on a topic has been done before forming and opinion? I have zero clue if some of these guys who live and die trump haven’t seriously looked at the other side to see what the other half sees and decided they still wanted to back trump. It’s like when people say be open minded. What they really mean is think like me on this issue.
Real world, I tried to be open minded on baiting once. Listened to some guys tell me their reasons behind it. After hearing them, still decided it was cheesy and not hunting. See I was open minded but I arrived back at my original opinion.



You like I worked my disdain for baiting into a political conversation! I can do crossbows and outfitters next if you need more context.

 

[Foggy47]

And....so what I think was the very biggest steal of all....was the "Russian Disinformation Letter" that was put forth by our trusted CIA and other "officials" to sway the votes to Biden. That act just days before the election was a very significant LIE by our trusted deep state.....and it influenced the voters in a big way. Still today....nobody is behind bars for that action....while a number of Trump supporters have paid a price and have / are serving time. Fair? HELL NO!!!!

Biden campaign, Blinken orchestrated intel letter to discredit Hunter Biden laptop story, ex-CIA official says

A former CIA official testified that then-Biden campaign senior adviser, now-Secretary of State Antony Blinken "played a role in the inception" of the public statement signed by current and past intelligence officials that claimed the Hunte

judiciary.house.gov

 

[Foggy47]

And....so what I think was the very biggest steal of all....was the "Russian Disinformation Letter" that was put forth by our trusted CIA and other "officials" to sway the votes to Biden. That act just days before the election was a very significant LIE by our trusted deep state.....and it influenced the voters in a big way. Still today....nobody is behind bars for that action....while a number of Trump supporters have paid a price and have / are serving time. Fair? HELL NO!!!!

That whole laptop and Ukranian deal by Biden still pisses me off to no end. AND BIDEN was the one that got the BIG LIE. And the press let him get by with it! FACT!

Biden campaign, Blinken orchestrated intel letter to discredit Hunter Biden laptop story, ex-CIA official says

A former CIA official testified that then-Biden campaign senior adviser, now-Secretary of State Antony Blinken "played a role in the inception" of the public statement signed by current and past intelligence officials that claimed the Hunte

judiciary.house.gov

 

[Bill Loser]

Read the audit in Georgia and you be surprised how much fraud there was . It’s not on CNN, you have to dig to find it .

A Democratic operative in on the steal was recently caught on tape explaining the whole theft process that took place in Fulton County, Georgia…You can choose to ignore it, go ahead I don’t care .

One comment he made was the Mules video was legit, he says he paid people per vote and they stuffed the ballot boxes with Biden votes.

Have you ever thought to yourself, why the late night votes never favor Republicans? Why they have these miracle comebacks ?

No one will believe it this year, absolutely no one. If it’s 3 am and Harris gets 100,000 votes, and Trump gets 2000. It’s fraud again !

Exactly. Some just don't want to see it. They do what this goof did and cherry pick statements. Trump never asked them the find any votes for him, he asked them to find the fraudulent votes. Completely rational and normal. Again, it should have been done but as I said, judges and lawyers were afraid on the dem crime family and the FBI is on their payroll.
I suppose Trump planned jan 6 too?

 

[Bill Loser]

Bill, thanks for the best belly laugh I've had all week. Who would this mysterious entity be that reported the election results to ABC? Could they possibly be the same entity that supplies all of the fake ballots? Keep up the good work and Trump will have you replacing Tony Hinchcliffe at the next rally.

If you can't see it then their is no hope I guess. How many elections do they need to cheat in before you say enough?
2020 was stolen flat out, 2016 wasn't ONLY because they underestimated what they would need to steal it.

 

[Bill Loser]

If it’s true, fanni Willis is the Fulton county da. That person would not be in prison on her watch. 1/2 of fulton, dekalb and Clayton co Georgia are some of the worst places in America. You have to understand these places to know fraud is entirely possible. I can’t prove anything but I wouldn’t put it past it to happen there if anywhere in a swing state.
Ironically the man Trump tried to strongarm in Georgia, Gov Kemp, would make a ten times better president than Trump.

Fraud wasn't only possible it was documented on tape, the fake water main break, and the women pulling suitcases of ballots from under tables. Look it up. Not sure what county any more but it was in the Atlanta area

 

[Bill Loser]

Buddy I'm with you. I'm sure there is rampant corruption out there and especially in large metro areas, but the case should be taken to court if it's true. If there is someone willing to testify under oath about the injustices seen/done to Trump then let's see it. We are talking about politics, there is unlimited $$/resources to bring anything to light in a court room. Stonewalled? Appeal to a higher court and eventually make it to the SC. That's the way the constitution is meant to work and the justice system has to work it's course. I've said here before that Trump's redeeming quality is his SC selections.

Agreed on Kemp and I was in on DeSantis too until he started trying to act like Trump. What a shame.

Trump asked them to look into it and people like you think it makes him a evil dictator.
Cases were taken up in court until the dem crime syndicate stepped in. State after state the investigations were blocked. My own state has countless PROVEN cases of fraud but between the spineless Republicans and the crime family it was all squashed.

 

[Bill Loser]

Buddy I'm with you. I'm sure there is rampant corruption out there and especially in large metro areas, but the case should be taken to court if it's true. If there is someone willing to testify under oath about the injustices seen/done to Trump then let's see it. We are talking about politics, there is unlimited $$/resources to bring anything to light in a court room. Stonewalled? Appeal to a higher court and eventually make it to the SC. That's the way the constitution is meant to work and the justice system has to work it's course. I've said here before that Trump's redeeming quality is his SC selections.

Agreed on Kemp and I was in on DeSantis too until he started trying to act like Trump. What a shame.

Kemp.is way to weak to be president. Desantis is a possibility. Vance I hope will grow into it.

 

[Brian662]

Trump asked them to look into it and people like you think it makes him a evil dictator.
Cases were taken up in court until the dem crime syndicate stepped in. State after state the investigations were blocked. My own state has countless PROVEN cases of fraud but between the spineless Republicans and the crime family it was all squashed.

Produce the evidence. I watched the videos of the "hidden" boxes in Atlanta, I've tried seeing what everyone claims to be this mountain of evidence.

Trump was asked to produce the evidence on Rogan and he stumbled around.

If the elections are only "stolen" if Trump loses, doesn't that seem a little funny to you? If he wins, everyone should just accept the results?

Again, some of the judges APPOINTED by Trump sat over these cases in court and they got thrown out. Did he just appoint shitty judges or wasn't there any merit?

 

[Bill Loser]

If you can't see it you can't be helped. The video I spoke of shows clearly what I described.
I'm not sure what type don't understand about the court cases?
Noone on your side will accept the results if Trump wins ( shouldn't be a problem, I don't think he will be allowed to win) never did the first time but everyone should just forget that?

 

[Mortenson]

I watch and read mainstream news sources constantly. Give them every chance in the world. Really upsetting how they constantly promote and cover for the democrat party.

Post some links, I'm happy to educate myself.

Hopefully the criminal is in prison, that's what should happen to criminals isn't it?

There's a new case nearly every day. This was yesterday's.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/colorado/news/colorado-republicans-critical-of-secretary-of-state-after-voting-system-passwords-posted-online/&ved=2ahUKEwjkpY6AxbiJAxUH4ckDHUMlCKgQr_oDKAB6BAgoEAE&usg=AOvVaw2TpDWoiDybbKcU_Uu_F9WU

 

[Mortenson]

Chinese student to face criminal charges for voting in Michigan. Ballot will apparently count

The 19-year-old was legally present in the United States but not a citizen, which meant he couldn't legally cast a ballot, according to officials.

www.detroitnews.com

 

[Howboutthemdawgs]

I think guys like myself and Brian are conservatives who don’t believe in Trump. We may have individual reasons so I don’t want to speak for him but I think we can see through a lot of the bs. For me and only me, I don’t think Trump is a real conservative. I’ve stated this. I think he has some conservative principles but at his core he’s a New York liberal. I love how the common dude in south Alabama think Trump gets them. Trump wouldn’t piss on that dude if he was on fire unless he needed the vote or the publicity. He couldn’t be more different than that guy if he was born on mars.

If trump was this true MAGA (which I love the idea just not the execution so far) he would-
Cut government spending significantly. I don’t think people with investments realize how big of a deal this will be for our future if we don’t. Trump can’t run for reelection so do what’s right and not cater to pleasing any group. Cut the piss out of social programs and spending. Get with representative massie and Rand Paul and listen to true small government conservatives.

Treat the border like a border. A country without one isn’t a country. Arm it with .50cals every couple hundred yards and treat any invader as a threat. It’s that simple. It will stop when people see we are serious. Send back the illegals here. Your first act as an “American” cannot be to break the law. End that anchor baby bullshit day one too.

You really care about fentanyl (let’s be honest they don’t, hell I don’t but I don’t campaign on it) make the cartels a terrorist organization from day one. Use the full force of the military to eliminate them. It’s really telling why no politician has ever pushed for this….

Abortion, I don’t care. Not my problem. I don’t have to answer to a higher power so allow those that feel like they need to kill an unborn baby to suffer their fate. Keep government out of that decision.

Don’t give Israel a date to be done. That’s ridiculous. They are fighting for their existence. Support them because ultimately an emboldened radical Islam is a threat to us. Already has been.

Listen to Vivik on the elimination of a bunch of 3 letter government organizations. Trump grew the number of government employees his first term! Smoke and mirrors.

Anyway just some things I’d like to see from a true conservative. I’m headed to vote today. I will obviously vote for Trump but I don’t believe he’s some second coming. But he’s so much better than the alternative.

Edit-
I think I missed my main point. Guys like myself and maybe Brian are sick of people just defending everything he does. It’s like he’s some ridiculously stupid thing and people want to tell us what he really meant. It’s no different than what they are doing with bidens garbage comment. The reality is Trump can be a dumbass and say dumbass things. We should call him and every other politician out for it. Additionally, you want to show you are for transparency and the people, release the Epstein list. Bet the farm he doesn’t…should tell us everything we need to know about the skeletons in that closet.

 

[Mortenson]

MI EARLY VOTE SHOCKER! Election Integrity Data Analysts Claim They Have Proof of 208,075 Ballots Cast By 82,674 Voters... An Excess of 125,428 Votes Cast! | The Gateway Pundit | by Patty McMurray

In September 2024, we reported that data expert Tim Vetter as well as Phani Mantravadi of Check My Vote identified 6,126 duplicate votes on the August primary voter rolls.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[H20fwler]

OK, I’ll throw my honest opinion on this hot topic in too.

Is Trump a huge narcissist, yep

Does he get in his own way after talking very long, yep

Does he objectify women, yep…what man doesn’t

Does he know when to shut up, nope

Is he crazy wealthy, absolutely

Is he a good businessman, absolutely

Does he have a PHD in how corrupt NY politics and kickbacks work, yep

Can he be bought, doesn’t look like it

Does he love his country, sure looks like it

Is he crazy supportive of our troops, no doubt about it

Is he a workaholic, I think so

Is he a politician, I’m not sure on that one

Did he do a good job first time around, stats sure say he did

Did he do a good job on trade deals/border/peace in Middle East/economy/energy, absolutely

Has he exposed corruption in DC, I think so

Has he exposed the MSM bias, no doubt about it

Is the DC machine afraid of him, absolutely

Are the bulk of DC career politicians on the take, sure looks like it

Are politics… republicans/democrats like sports teams to most of the public, absolutely

I think Trump is definitely a flawed person but I think he knows how to run the country, he just needs to be less naive on who he trusts and shut up after he makes his point.

 

[bwoods11]

But where did the ballots come from?

Drop boxes I’m sure. Miracle comeback!! Ironically it happened in all the key swing states , but no major late night increases in non-swing states .

 

[Bill Loser]

I think guys like myself and Brian are conservatives who don’t believe in Trump. We may have individual reasons so I don’t want to speak for him but I think we can see through a lot of the bs. For me and only me, I don’t think Trump is a real conservative. I’ve stated this. I think he has some conservative principles but at his core he’s a New York liberal. I love how the common dude in south Alabama think Trump gets them. Trump wouldn’t piss on that dude if he was on fire unless he needed the vote or the publicity. He couldn’t be more different than that guy if he was born on mars.

If trump was this true MAGA (which I love the idea just not the execution so far) he would-
Cut government spending significantly. I don’t think people with investments realize how big of a deal this will be for our future if we don’t. Trump can’t run for reelection so do what’s right and not cater to pleasing any group. Cut the piss out of social programs and spending. Get with representative massie and Rand Paul and listen to true small government conservatives.

Treat the border like a border. A country without one isn’t a country. Arm it with .50cals every couple hundred yards and treat any invader as a threat. It’s that simple. It will stop when people see we are serious. Send back the illegals here. Your first act as an “American” cannot be to break the law. End that anchor baby bullshit day one too.

You really care about fentanyl (let’s be honest they don’t, hell I don’t but I don’t campaign on it) make the cartels a terrorist organization from day one. Use the full force of the military to eliminate them. It’s really telling why no politician has ever pushed for this….

Abortion, I don’t care. Not my problem. I don’t have to answer to a higher power so allow those that feel like they need to kill an unborn baby to suffer their fate. Keep government out of that decision.

Don’t give Israel a date to be done. That’s ridiculous. They are fighting for their existence. Support them because ultimately an emboldened radical Islam is a threat to us. Already has been.

Listen to Vivik on the elimination of a bunch of 3 letter government organizations. Trump grew the number of government employees his first term! Smoke and mirrors.

Anyway just some things I’d like to see from a true conservative. I’m headed to vote today. I will obviously vote for Trump but I don’t believe he’s some second coming. But he’s so much better than the alternative.

Edit-
I think I missed my main point. Guys like myself and maybe Brian are sick of people just defending everything he does. It’s like he’s some ridiculously stupid thing and people want to tell us what he really meant. It’s no different than what they are doing with bidens garbage comment. The reality is Trump can be a dumbass and say dumbass things. We should call him and every other politician out for it. Additionally, you want to show you are for transparency and the people, release the Epstein list. Bet the farm he doesn’t…should tell us everything we need to know about the skeletons in that closet.

Trump did almost all of that the first 4 years. He closed the border, and tried to close it for good but was met with allegations of racism, colonialism etc for daring to speak it.
As far as Trump not caring about the people? What has he done to show you that? I see a guy fighting to save America (because it's what's right, not for financial gain like the rest of these crooks), which will in turn save us in the middle class. He does connect with common people, why? Because he's real, he doesn't put on any acts. He shows what he is. That's what people like. Not like the career politicians who will don whatever personality or beliefs they feel they need to snow over the group they are talking too that day.
At the end of the day, he does almost all that he says he will do, which is a damn site better than anything else we've had in a long time.