Bayer to stop selling roundup?

[bigboreblr]

Any truth to this? Any of you considering having a few years of it around? Trying to keep myself with 4's. 40 apple trees and 4 acres of foodplots. Seem to use around 1 gallon a year. Got about 2/3rds of a 2.5 gal.

 

[Turkey Creek]

Lots of companies sell generic RoundUp.... glyphosate is the active ingredient. Pretty common now a days since the patent expired for the original RoundUp.

 

[Westwind]

41% glyphosate is the original roundup.

Now there is a 51%. I actually don’t see the point of it unless you end up somehow cheaper.

 

[bigboreblr]

Thought we'd be allright. Wasn't sure if they licensed it out or not.

Think the days are numbered. Sure there's other stuff out there. Alot of the world uses it, europe not so much I believe.

Curious to see how SD's no spray no replant works out. Adding about 3/4 acre more this year if things go right. Got some mean raspberry bushes in there. Round em up.

 

[farmlegend]

Glyphosate is not going away. Low in toxicity, not persistent in the ecosystem. Most other herbicides are worse on both scores.

 

[homerj]

Glyphosate on berry brambles will only piss them off

 

[Native Hunter]

Glyphosate on berry brambles will only piss them off

So true, and mine endured a strong dose of Remedy Ultra and were able to come back from roots in 3 years.

 

[farmlegend]

Glyphosate on berry brambles will only piss them off

Hell, I WANT berry brambles. Otherwise, it's multiflora rose, prickly ash, shrubby St John's Wort, or Autumn Olive.

 

[Barndog56]

I try not to use any poisons, but need to turn a grassy field into a dahlia field in 5 days, so stopped at Ace to grab some Roundup. Turns out not a single Roundup product had glyphosate in it. They are all Triclopyr now. The label says water safe in 30 minutes, you can start to see it's effects in 6 hours, and you can plant within 1 to 30 days depending on crop.

Mix rate said 6 ounces per gallon of water, so paid $28 for a bottle that will make 5 gallons of spray. Good thing I don't need much.

 

[Barndog56]

Full list of active ingredients.

Triclopyr, triethylamine salt .....0.122%
Fluazifop-P-butyl .....0.097%
Diquat dibromide ....0.073%

 

[SwampCat]

Not down here - gly is still king

 

[bigboreblr]

Tempted to give triclopyr a try. I only fall plot up at camp, unless I clear a new foodplot in the spring.

triclopyr has residual activity. Probably more than most common herbicides.

There a love hate relationship with modern society and technology. We perform weekly black masses at the powerplant I work at............... or so I have read.

roundup has bitten the bat on stage and will be remembered as such.

There a linecrew tree guy and right of way sprayer guy in my wife's family. He's got some choice words for roundup. Got mad at me spraying itin my own backyard. Sprayed it yesterday with a lightly leaking nozzle wand valve. Nice cozy feeling that stuff gives you on bare skin...............


What foodplotter use and what sells at lawn n garden places seem to be quite different.

Triclopyr is kind of the finger of god far as herbicides go. Airports use pellets of it to prevent trees from growing in marginal areas.

Got plenty of evil to spray this year. triclopyr, bentazon, maybe even some 2,4D with the gly. Fighting mace sedge at camp. Never will win the war, but the battles continue tough.

 

[homerj]

The issue is Ace. Plenty of gly in Roundup in WI. Go to a co op or TSC.
Triclopyr doesn't kill grass, maybe the others in that mix do

 

[matinc]

With the Maha movement I see it's days on the market ending. Frankly that's a good thing. No one can tell me spraying chemicals has a positive outcome. Look at fields that are brown and dead,, water evaporated, water and gly running off from erosion and tell me that's healthy soil. Ohh agent orange nothing to see here. I always love the response oh I spray it and poof it's gone no harm no foul. BS. I really believe it's time we as stewards of the land stand up and say no more. Can you live with some weeds and soil thats so healthy you can make inches of it right on top of rocks? Your future grand kids deserve a clean environment.

 

[SwampCat]

I can remember back in the late 60’s - I was early teens - before gly. my cousin farmed about 60 acres in NW MO. I would go there in the summers - and we would walk the soybean rows - four rows apart, me and my two cousins - three abreast with hoe in hand. We would start at daylight and work until about 11 or noon, chopping sunflowers, johnson grass, and more. Get to the end of the field and start over. If you didnt do that, by late summer you could not see the beans in the field for the weeds. Fifty cents an hour he paid me.

 

[TreeDaddy]

Full list of active ingredients.

Triclopyr, triethylamine salt .....0.122%
Fluazifop-P-butyl .....0.097%
Diquat dibromide ....0.073%

Interesting

I read the Roundup label at Home Depot in Tyler,Texas and found the same^^^

bill

 

[SwampCat]

The issue is Ace. Plenty of gly in Roundup in WI. Go to a co op or TSC.
Triclopyr doesn't kill grass, maybe the others in that mix do

I am not sure the new roundup is safer than the old roundup

Supposedly fluaziflop kills grass


For glyphosate, The EPA classifies glyphosate in the least toxic category (Category IV) for acute oral and dermal toxicity, meaning it's considered practically non-toxic and non-irritating.
Potential Risks and Health Effects:

• Moderate Toxicity: Diquat dibromide is considered moderately toxic.
• Irritant: It can cause severe skin and eye irritation.
• Toxic if Inhaled or Swallowed: Ingesting or inhaling large amounts can be fatal and cause severe poisoning symptoms like nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, tremors, convulsions, and even death.

 

[homerj]

I am not sure the new roundup is safer than the old roundup

Supposedly fluaziflop kills grass


For glyphosate, The EPA classifies glyphosate in the least toxic category (Category IV) for acute oral and dermal toxicity, meaning it's considered practically non-toxic and non-irritating.
Potential Risks and Health Effects:

• Moderate Toxicity: Diquat dibromide is considered moderately toxic.
• Irritant: It can cause severe skin and eye irritation.
• Toxic if Inhaled or Swallowed: Ingesting or inhaling large amounts can be fatal and cause severe poisoning symptoms like nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, tremors, convulsions, and even death.

I'll stick with glyphosate. If not from Bayer, from one of the other makers/suppliers.

 

[Hoytvectrix]

I used to do contract research for Monsanto testing a few newer (at the time) formulations of Roundup. At least at that time, even though standard glyphosate was off-patent protection, Monsanto still owned something like 70-80% of glyphosate production facilities in the world, and they did toll manufacturing for all of the white label stuff you could find at the time. I don't know if that is still the case, especially since Bayer's purchase of Monsanto, but I am sure if they eventually get out of it that it will at the very least disrupt supply.

I am sure Bayer will try and wash their hands of it at some point. I think the fact that they haven't already speaks to how profitable it has been for them.

 

[Ben.MN/WI]

With the Maha movement I see it's days on the market ending. Frankly that's a good thing. No one can tell me spraying chemicals has a positive outcome. Look at fields that are brown and dead,, water evaporated, water and gly running off from erosion and tell me that's healthy soil. Ohh agent orange nothing to see here. I always love the response oh I spray it and poof it's gone no harm no foul. BS. I really believe it's time we as stewards of the land stand up and say no more. Can you live with some weeds and soil thats so healthy you can make inches of it right on top of rocks? Your future grand kids deserve a clean environment.

The organic farmers here tend to use steel to weed their crops, which burns organic matter as well. I don't know any farmers who enjoy spraying, but when you have a mortgage payment due you need to go with a plan that pays the bills. For some that's organic farming with a lower output and higher prices, but for others that's conventional tillage and spraying.