400 Legend
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birdog
5 year old buck +
I am intriged as well. Have you shot the 450BM? I only ask because I hear that from a lot of people who have never actually shot the 450. I personally don't think the recoil is bad at all with the BM. I shoot the Hornady 250grn Custom which I believe the recoil is equivalent to my 20ga slug gun. I agree the 400 Legend would be a sweet shooter but I would not trade my BM for one.
Marty at Haus of Arms has a short video on the 400 as well as the Andy at MGM. Both videos on youtube if you haven't seem them already.
If you pick one up please give us all a range report!
bigboreblr
5 year old buck +
IS it going to be the 30-30 vs 35 remngton. A bit more bullet, but no more powder...... Couldn't zoom in on the box too well, looked like 2150 fps on the back of the box at 0 yards. IT not really based on the 6.8 spc, but has the same base. Might be available in AR rifles though, which makes it interesting for me. But my state villianizes AR's, so a mute point for me.
I'm in NC vacationing during this lovely tropical storm. Went to sportsmen warehouse looking for ammo. MY 325gr 215fps 450 marlin, they don't sell ammo for it. Same with a local mom-n-pop place over there, no 450 marlin. Got a full 50 cal box of it, but NY changed a law, in their parks non-lead. So, I'm hunting for copper solid ammo. Need to get 44 mag bulet heads too, my modern inline T/C omega like 240gr hornady XTP's. Be nice to find something similar in non-lead.
IF you buy it, get 10 boxes and don't tuch that pile.
The other thing, there is little like it around in 40 cal. Handgun bullet heads will likely expand too much, maybe even the rifling will be too aggressive on thin and soft handgun bullet heads in some cases. Hopefully, the gun you purchase likes the bullet and how it's loaded. Might be awhile before dies and other suitable bullet heads become available. I work in engineering, so I don't like anything new. Like for something to be out for a few years, so they get the bugs out of it. Although, guns n ammo are relatively simple compared to other things.
2150 fps 215 grain should be a good deer gun to 200 yards easily.. Winchester's website boasting didn't include velocity or range.
I'm in NC vacationing during this lovely tropical storm. Went to sportsmen warehouse looking for ammo. MY 325gr 215fps 450 marlin, they don't sell ammo for it. Same with a local mom-n-pop place over there, no 450 marlin. Got a full 50 cal box of it, but NY changed a law, in their parks non-lead. So, I'm hunting for copper solid ammo. Need to get 44 mag bulet heads too, my modern inline T/C omega like 240gr hornady XTP's. Be nice to find something similar in non-lead.
IF you buy it, get 10 boxes and don't tuch that pile.
The other thing, there is little like it around in 40 cal. Handgun bullet heads will likely expand too much, maybe even the rifling will be too aggressive on thin and soft handgun bullet heads in some cases. Hopefully, the gun you purchase likes the bullet and how it's loaded. Might be awhile before dies and other suitable bullet heads become available. I work in engineering, so I don't like anything new. Like for something to be out for a few years, so they get the bugs out of it. Although, guns n ammo are relatively simple compared to other things.
2150 fps 215 grain should be a good deer gun to 200 yards easily.. Winchester's website boasting didn't include velocity or range.
roymunson
5 year old buck +
I have had a 450 bm. Loud and obnoxious. HA! But I have an early Ruger American Ranch edition.
If I can find one, I think I'll buy it. But we'll have to find one first.
Mortenson
5 year old buck +
I haven't shot my 450 yet. I bought the Bear Creek Ballistics 240 grain rounds. Hope they shoot well. What scope did you put on yours? I need to make a decision soon here. Probably be the last deer gun I buy. Unless it's sucks of course. Some say it's similar to a 20 gauge slug recoil and others say 12 gauge.
birdog
5 year old buck +
Leupold Freedom CDS 4-12x40. The windage turret on the Freedom is garbage however the elevation turret is very crisp and precise.
birdog
5 year old buck +
If price is an issue I wouldn't hesitate to grab a Vortex Diamondback HD from Midway. Half off right now. I have this scope on two of my Knight ML's and an AR.
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drycreek
5 year old buck +
I have a 450 BM in an AR15. In that platform it’s not objectionable. It will slam the hell out of a big hog, but I don’t shoot it anymore. Ammo is expensive and I don’t see it doing anything my 6.8 won’t do, but I’m not hampered by the straight wall thing either. I personally think any of the new cartridges will be good with proper shot placement, most of them exist for the simple reason of making money. Want replaces need for most of us and I’m at the top of that list ! Why else would I own all of the handguns that I do ?
roymunson
5 year old buck +
They're starting to show up in shops around here. I'm gonna hold off until a higher end rifle becomes available.
Also talking to a couple folks in the 350 and 450 world, they said they had significantly better results when they switched to copper bullets. For whatever reason. In a small sample size I did the same. When I started slinging 140 grain Bear Creek bullets out the the 350 Legend, we had better results
Also talking to a couple folks in the 350 and 450 world, they said they had significantly better results when they switched to copper bullets. For whatever reason. In a small sample size I did the same. When I started slinging 140 grain Bear Creek bullets out the the 350 Legend, we had better results
Mortenson
5 year old buck +
Is Bear Creek making a 140 grain in 350? We have a very low end 350, and it wouldn't shoot the 160 Bear Creek very well. Shoots lead 170 better. My 450 shot the 240 Bear Creek very well in limited time on the range. Hoping to test it out to around 200 yards this fall. I think Bear Creek started offering a new smaller 200 grain for 450.
.41 Great Lakes?
New cartridge being field tested now, exactly as you described.
Telemark
5 year old buck +
400 Legend has been so slow coming out, and 41 great lakes seems more myth than reality so far, I'm sticking with 350 Legend for now. I'm still a fan of shotguns and the 45-70, but as an infrequent visitor to Ohio, I have to go with what's easily available.
I'm very disappointed. I really don't love the ballistics of the 350L. But I'm out of time for buying an Ohio rifle. Fortunately, I have taken a deer with my dad's 350L, so I know it can perform inside 100 yds.
I'm very disappointed. I really don't love the ballistics of the 350L. But I'm out of time for buying an Ohio rifle. Fortunately, I have taken a deer with my dad's 350L, so I know it can perform inside 100 yds.
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