Howboutthemdawgs
5 year old buck +
Probably been discussed but I don’t remember seeing an answer
Why won’t a cultipacker double as a crimper?
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MRBB
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well pretty simple guess here on my part, is a cultipacker is a roller, designed to rol, over things, NO edge to CUT things, like a crimper has!
so most things you roll over with a cultipacker, has the chance to stand back up and not be harmed
where as a crimper with its edge, can kill, cut and other wise damage things its being pulled over!
so most things you roll over with a cultipacker, has the chance to stand back up and not be harmed
where as a crimper with its edge, can kill, cut and other wise damage things its being pulled over!
Howboutthemdawgs
5 year old buck +
That makes good sense to me. Thanks!
yoderjac
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Great guess. They are designed to do different jobs. A crimper is designed to break the stem of something like winter rye after the stem has become sufficiently stiff. The "blades" on a crimper put all the weight on a very small area and break the stem. This causes WR to die. If you tried to crimp it too early in the spring before the stem had stiffened, it would no work. A cultipacker is designed to do several things. One is to improve see/soil contact by pressing seed into the ground. Another is to break up the clods created by discing flatening the seed bed, firming it, and removing air pockets. The final is to put a non-uniform surface on the soil so rain is trapped in the Vs or dimples and has time to soak in to root level rather than running off. This is more important in heavy clay soils as they tend to crust causing run-off. Nice loam or sandy soil tend to have less problems with water infiltration. This is one reason we want to build OM top down using no-till and min-till techniques.
A lawn roller give you the first two functions but puts a smooth surface on the soil enhancing chances of run-off. If you have soils where infiltration is not an issue, a lawn roller can be a poor man's cultipacker.
Thanks,
Jack
Someday isle
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I used my ATV Cultipacker to make lanes in my Rye last weekend so I could walk through and spread my buckwheat seed. After spreading The seed I then went through and mowed all of the rye. It had only been an hour or so after making my cultipacked lanes and a lot of the rye was already trying to stand back up. It’s a nice thought that it would work but I’m pretty sure a week later you wouldn’t even know I’d run over it.
mtholton
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Unless I'm missing something, I can't seem to find a atv specific cultipacker. I'm looking to crimp my cover crop that is head high (winter rye).... I'm trying the "buffalo" method type approach with my plots. I have sandy soils and have been working on reducing how much I work the soil etc, and so far have had good results. If I can't find a ATV crimper, would it be stupid to seed into the cover crop, then go over the plots with my brush mower to terminate the rye? It would allow sunlight and leave the rye residue in place. Not sure if it would suck on the seeds.... Or would it be better to try my luck at just cultipacking it a few times after seeding.
yoderjac
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There are lots of small ATV cultipackers out there, but I have never seen an ATV crimper (except home builds). I would read through the Throw and Mow thread. If your WR is mature, you can just broadcast into the WR then mow it. Presuming you have chosen crops that surface broadcast well, you don't need to cultipack, but it does improve your germination rates by pressing the seed into the soil a bit. The mowed WR will help retain moisture in your sand. If you have weeds in your WR, you can also spry gly after your cultipack. Presuming your WR had headed out, keep in mind that you will get volunteer WR in the next plant so adjust any seeding rates accordingly.
Thanks,
Jack
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S.T.Fanatic
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If your mowing mature winter rye it is my experience you are going to get a winter rye plot no matter what you plant.
mtholton
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Thanks can you share more?
S.T.Fanatic
5 year old buck +
I have tried throw and mow brassica into mature winter grains from the year before. The year I tried it I had strips in my plot. When taking planting rate and crop yield into consideration how many bushels per acre has your cereal field has yielded? Generally you would plant about 100#/ acre of a winter cereal. When that crop matures the following year you are going to have about 20 bushels per acre of seed that the rye has produced. That is 1120# of winter rye seed. Pretty tough for anything to compete with that. That Is why I have moved beardless varieties as the deer consume the seed heads where I am at. If I am planting a summer annual into the winter rye I don't worry about it because the rye seed won't be mature enough at my planting date to produce viable seed any many times I will be using RR soybeans anyway.
Peplin Creek
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Depending on the size of your plot. Maybe just knock it down with the atv by running it over. You have less chance of spreading a lot of rye seed and it works just fine. That’s what I did with this plot... I actually sprayed it first, then knocked it all down and then seeded brassicas into it. I went up on the seed rate and my Germination was rate was pretty solid.
S.T.Fanatic
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I did just that last year and the few radishes that did grow we’re starved of nutrients and didn’t amount to squat because the rye from the year before germinated and formed a dense carpet.
However that same strip this year is nearly entirely void of pig weed. I can’t say the same for the other portions of the same plot.
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roymunson
5 year old buck +
I wanna se one of you handymen weld up a chain apparatus to put over the outside diameter of the cultipacker with bars running horizontally across to convert your cultipaker to a crimper. It'd get put on the cultipacker like snow chains on a tire.
In my mind it works, but if being married for 13 years has taught me anything, it's my initial judgement is usually wrong.
In my mind it works, but if being married for 13 years has taught me anything, it's my initial judgement is usually wrong.
Natty Bumppo
5 year old buck +
I'd like to see somebody come up with a 3 point attachment that triples as a rototiller/cultipacker/crimper. Specifically made for food plotters, quick release pins would allow the user to switch out the tiller's tines with the cultipacker roller or the crimper roller. A niche market for sure, but I think there's some money to be made. A 3 in 1 implement....I'd buy one.
A heavy tiller with the PTO shaft disconnected actually makes a pretty good crimper if allowed to roll freely over the ground.
Peplin Creek
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This is good to know... maybe a bag or two of fertilizer will be useful. However the picture makes it look thicker than it is.
MN Slick
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Peplin Creek
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The method I used of knocking down the rye with the Atv is working pretty nicely. I think the key to it is not having a super dense mat of rye. Just enough to keep the seed in place and still allow it to grow through the vegetation on the ground.
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