Broke a guys heart permission to track denied

[SWIFFY]

I also see both side but im with you here Bill.

I've always let people on my place but I demand to go with them and that they take me to where they shot so I can see the scenario. Many times they don't even follow through with it because they know they have nothing to go on. Gun season, its just an excuse to drive off a property. I'm not about to "burn my farm" because some idiot took a bad shot and now he wants to push every inch of the section on a hope and a prayer. I also get their names and numbers and am happy to return a skull in these situation.

Lots of ways to look at it and Id hate to be the reason a deer was wasted, but in THIS situation, I don't think you're necessarily in the wrong. Im sure hes bummed, but itll make him think next time. If its a nice buck im sure he'll be grateful to get the rack. If not, maybe let him know you looked and couldnt find it.

What was his reaction when you said no?

 

[IkemanTx]

Yeah I’m torn over it.
I’ll know if it’s dead in a few day if the birds start. It went across my neighbor first. Based on the blood he saw he didn’t think it was a good hit. Neighbor said if was bleeding like a good hit “He” would have crossed my fence. Which he has permission to do.
Stand was 15 yards from my neighbors line and 50 yards from mine in a corner where the properties meet.

in 14 years we’ve had one cross a line. That stand was removed and we don’t hunt the area any more.

not trying to defend my position, I get both sides. Also if he would have asked beforehand he could have factored my no into the decision on where to hunt.

Oh wait.... you were the SECOND property...?

Nope, now I have ZERO qualms about your decision. Take his name and number and get him the head if the buzzards find it in the next few days. Especially since the neighbor, who does have permission, doesn’t think it was a fatal shot after tracking it through his own place.


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[Crimson n' Camo]

I think I would always give someone permission the first time they contacted me......Now if it became something where they doing it habitually then maybe I go a different route....But I see that as an opportunity to establish a relationship with a neighbor regardless of all else....no matter how much land they are hunting or what.....It could turn out to be a long term relationship that benefited everyone.....Even if it doesnt then you learn more about who they are an in case they may be a bunch of poaching yahoos......Even if you dont see it is as just the neighborly thing to do....I think its still the right chess move to make as well for long term game strategy.....Denying him just made him sour.....that's not good long term.....people do funny things over emotion .

 

[trampledbyturtles]

5A = you better be dang sure about your shot selection. Otherwise be prepared for disappointment.

 

[Buckly]

In my opinion the owner of the 5 acres doesn’t really understand or care about the implications of letting someone hunt on that piece so I would take that into consideration also. And for his part the hunter doesn’t really understand or care about the implications either. I know getting permission to hunt is difficult sometimes but a person really needs to know or learn anyways the implications and limits of hunting a piece like that

 

[Bill]

What was his reaction when you said no?

he said he completely understood that My son was hunting that patch and I said no. He was thankful when I said I would do everything I could to find and get him those antlers if I found him. And I will.....

He was a damn nice guy as far as could tell in a 30 minute conversation. I know he’s probably cursing me but understanding.

I’ll do everything I can to find this guys deer. The meat was gone anyway and I don’t want to kill the kids chances.
Hard thing...

 

[weekender21]

If he contacted me first, he gets permission from me every time. I own 172 acres, the last deer I shot made it 250 yards and crossed 2 properties but was dead on his feet. I’d throw the book at any trespasser but good relationships with law abiding neighbors are important in my opinion.


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[OakSeeds]

I've never denied access, yet. I'm prepared to real soon with certain line sitters.

This reminds me of two major squabbles I'm aware of in the past 5 years. In both cases "line sitters" were granted permission to retrieve deer that crossed into adjacent larger properties. Again, both cases involved funnels where deer came close to the area where tha sitter set up (obviously the reason they were hunting there) and occasionally crossed over onto the smaller propeerty (usually chasing a doe). Year later, after another wounded deer allegedly jumped the fence after a fresh snow (night before), the owner granting permission to the sitter discovered (blood and tracks) that the deer was arrowed on his property; apparently, granting permission earlier made the line sitter think he could shoot across the fence and go get his deer. At our places we'll honor the request for recovering a trophy buck if it is certain the animal might be on the property and nobody is hunting in that area at the time of request. Usually we ask that they search mid-day the next day. It rarely pays to get into a spitting match with close neighbors.

 

[goatman]

Lol. I got a guy hunting my fence with a open field and 6 trees. Where do you think a hit deer is going? I sold a property with 7 stands in the fenceline.Again all in open fields. One owner even asked me not to hunt my northwest corner. He bulldozed his draws out with no trees. Bill you had every right. I have returned dead bucks that people never found. Don't want anything to do with one hit by someone else.

 

[4wanderingeyes]

Don’t let it eat you up. Every person and situation is different. For me, being it wasn’t the actual neighbor, and it being during the rut, and the area they want to search is currently being hunted, I wouldn’t feel guilty at all.
If it was an actual neighbor that you have a mutual agreement with, I guess I would have proceeded with skepticism, and allowed them to walk it with me at night and search. But no way would I let them wreck my hunt during daylight hours, or walk a good bedding area in the middle of the rut, just to maybe push a couple out so he would have a better chance at one later that day.
After all, it is YOUR land, and you can do what you want with it, and you shouldn’t have to feel guilty.

 

[westonwhitetail]

I know it sucks letting someone track in the middle of season but I don't believe it's right to deny it. I don't believe it is the moral thing to do. Just leave an animal to suffer or go to waste so you have a chance at a big buck is kind of ridiculous. Hopefully that guy doesn't decide to be a dick back to you cause he could try to screw up the rest of your season in that area. Or he will just keep hunting, killing more deer and possibly the nice one your son's after.

Competition for big bucks may be why hunting will die someday. It will just become a rich man's game, like in other places of the world. I've been on a the side of the fence with 5 acres. We all need to start somewhere. Someone is not going to go out and buy 200 acres just to get into hunting. You may have made that guy quit hunting. That's just one guy but as things keep getting more competitive, the numbers quitting will increase because of denied access.

20 years ago, you needed to own no land to hunt, landowners readily gave permission. Currently you its very hard to get permission and people feel they have to the right to tell others they can't hunt on their own f'in land because they don't own enough. And even more this guys actually has permission to hunt 40, but its only 5 woods so you have made the executive decision that that 40 is too small to hunt. Pretty soon 40 acres of woods won't be big enough for someone to hunt because technically if you are sitting in the center of a 40 your are only 220 yards from the line and everyone here has tracked a deer further than that in their career.

Guys with a lot of land like to tell the little guys what they can and can't do on theirs. That is so over the top hypocritical because if someone told you what you can or can't do on yours's, you would be outraged. Like others have said, the shoe may be on the other foot someday and they may stick it to ya on a nice buck.

Sorry I'm being blunt but my emotions are high. I was in a similar situation with a neighbor recently. I own 5, have permission to hunt 40, about 30 of woods. He owns 120, about 60 of woods and said I don't have any business hunting that small of a place. You can tell I think what he did is a dick move and its very similar to your situation. Rant over.

 

[Mortenson]

The difference is, Bill rarely if ever needs to rely on the 5 acre guy. The 5 acre guy will probably need to rely on all the neighbors for most of the deer he will shoot. It's not a sin to have more acreage. If 5 acres is enough, how much is not enough? 2? A single tree? The guy could've planned this all out much better. Bill addressed that. It might've made some differences. Maybe the guy should've placed his stand at the front of his 5 acres and not the back. Little details go a long way when it's decision time.

 

[Telemark]

I know it sucks letting someone track in the middle of season but I don't believe it's right to deny it. I don't believe it is the moral thing to do. Just leave an animal to suffer or go to waste so you have a chance at a big buck is kind of ridiculous. Hopefully that guy doesn't decide to be a dick back to you cause he could try to screw up the rest of your season in that area. Or he will just keep hunting, killing more deer and possibly the nice one your son's after.

Competition for big bucks may be why hunting will die someday. It will just become a rich man's game, like in other places of the world. I've been on a the side of the fence with 5 acres. We all need to start somewhere. Someone is not going to go out and buy 200 acres just to get into hunting. You may have made that guy quit hunting. That's just one guy but as things keep getting more competitive, the numbers quitting will increase because of denied access.

20 years ago, you needed to own no land to hunt, landowners readily gave permission. Currently you its very hard to get permission and people feel they have to the right to tell others they can't hunt on their own f'in land because they don't own enough. And even more this guys actually has permission to hunt 40, but its only 5 woods so you have made the executive decision that that 40 is too small to hunt. Pretty soon 40 acres of woods won't be big enough for someone to hunt because technically if you are sitting in the center of a 40 your are only 220 yards from the line and everyone here has tracked a deer further than that in their career.

Guys with a lot of land like to tell the little guys what they can and can't do on theirs. That is so over the top hypocritical because if someone told you what you can or can't do on yours's, you would be outraged. Like others have said, the shoe may be on the other foot someday and I hope they stick it to ya on a nice buck.

Sorry I'm being blunt but my emotions are high. I was in a similar situation with a neighbor recently. I own 5, have permission to hunt 40, about 30 of woods. He owns 120, about 60 of woods and said I don't have any business hunting that small of a place. You can tell I think what he did is a dick move and its very similar to your situation. Rant over.

None of this has anything to do with what Bill did. Bill never told anyone what to do on their own land or someone else's land. He just told them they can't come onto HIS land. Bummer you have neighbors telling you what to do, but Bill never did that to anyone.

It's arrogant and ridiculous to think you have any right to another man's land. Period.

 

[westonwhitetail]

None of this has anything to do with what Bill did. Bill never told anyone what to do on their own land or someone else's land. He just told them they can't come onto HIS land. Bummer you have neighbors telling you what to do, but Bill never did that to anyone.

It's arrogant and ridiculous to think you have any right to another man's land. Period.

No Bill was in his rights to do what he did, I'm not disputing that. I don't think it is right though, the deer shouldn't go to waste for the reason it did. Ethically you should try to recover that animal to not waste the meat and then have the discussion with the guy later on.

While Bill did not say it, there are numerous post about people saying he shouldn't hunt there. That has the same amount of arrogance and ridiculousness because they are well within there rights to do so.

 

[Mortenson]

So you'd feel the same way if a group of guys pick up a fenceline or a railroad to hunt right next to your 45 and they need to recover deer in yours every week of the season? There are different levels of ridiculous.

 

[Peplin Creek]

So you'd feel the same way if a group of guys pick up a fenceline or a railroad to hunt right next to your 45 and they need to recover deer in yours every week of the season? There are different levels of ridiculous.

Apples and Oranges man... no indication to think this wasn’t the first time he was asking permission.

 

[Peplin Creek]

Also I think Weston just spoke his mind with personal experiences involved. Nothing wrong with it. I’m sure he’s not the only one who feels that way. Reading this thread, some of us have been on both ends of the conversation. The hunter can ask, Bill can say no. It is what it is.

what I don’t fully understand is why deny someone permission and then come on here to tell us about it if they weren’t looking affirmation they did the right thing and then justifying it by talking down the hunting parcel the hunter was using as justification. If you have to ask, you probably didn’t do the right thing... doing the right thing makes you feel good not bad about a situation.

If I wouldn’t have gotten to know Bill through this forum, It would sound like a bit of jealousy, righteousness or frustration that someone shot “their” deer to me personally. But that’s not really Bill.

at the end of the day though the hunter needs to understand giving his situation, this was always going to be a possibly. It’s one the reasons I put stands far enough off the line for the “death run” they make after that your at the neighbors mercy.

 

[Mortenson]

Probably just wanted something different to read and discuss than corona. Lol. He's also booted family and friends from his land and openly discussed it here even though it's unpopular for some guys to hear. More power.

My only point was that everyone has their own thinking on what's too little, too intrusive, too pushy, too close to the line. I responded because it seemed like westonwhitetail thinks anything goes. Some people would argue that a person hunting a tiny parcel would be the one wasting the meat, not the adjoining landowners. Better have plans buttoned up ahead of time if you're on a tiny property.

 

[ssesox]

competition for big bucks may be why hunting will die someday. It will just become a rich man's game, like in other places of the world. I've been on a the side of the fence with 5 acres. We all need to start somewhere. Someone is not going to go out and buy 200 acres just to get into hunting. You may have made that guy quit hunting. That's just one guy but as things keep getting more competitive, the numbers quitting will increase because of denied access.

Weston said it best. Hunters can sometimes be our own worst enemy. Whether its bickering over crossbows and or a dead buck that wasn't old enough or denying this kid a chance to track his deer. Horn Porn gets the best of us including me and the more time and money we put into it the worse it gets. I try to take a deep breath and realize its only a deer. Its a renewable resource god makes more. Its gotten easier as I've gotten older but I worry for the future of hunting.

 

[Crimson n' Camo]

I’d at least just shake their hand and make introductions……I own 25 acres……My neighbors own 1,100 and 5,000……



But……I also have some great tracking dogs that track close to 100 deer every year…..I have a degree in forestry and wildlife management……I was raised up around yahoos and know most of the signs of poachers and how they operate……I typically shoot 1 deer per year…….I’ve done a good bit of research and experimenting with food plotting and soils…..I’ve planted just about everything the wildlife nursery sales and have pears, persimmons, oaks, and chestnuts just raining off the trees……I live here and watch the deer 365 days a year……You see where I’m going with this……My neighbor could just brush me off as the little guy next to him…..or he could get to know me…..You never know what it may turn out to be.