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[Double Creek]

Also picked up a new toy. Hopefully it will be heavy enough to bust up some ground. Hoping to get dove plots in soon. Also considering a couple disk widths of sorghum around the entire field perimeter, which would be about an acre or so.

 

[omicron1792]

What size tree can you do this to?

Any size.

Mature trees you would graft the limbs. Can also do a bud graft

Smaller trees you can cut off at 2-3 feet height and bark graft. I’ve also grafted a bunch of small saplings with whip grafts.

 

[omicron1792]

Thread 'Praise Report | Persimmon Graft'

Oct 5, 2023

First Fruit from a graft for me!!

I was super surprised and excited.

Just made this graft last year.

• TreesuitSC
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• Forum: Fruit Trees

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[omicron1792]

Thread 'Persimmon Varieties for Deer -Transfered from QDMA forum'

Jul 22, 2016

As many of you know, last year I started a project to convert many of my native American persimmon male trees to female: http://www.qdma.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47890
Thanks to Tickrancher in addition to using scions from one of my few native productive female trees, I was able to use several improved varieties, Prok and 100-45 on a few trees this year.
I still have a few more male trees than I need for pollinators that I will likely graft next year.
So, here is my question:
What are your favorite varieties for deer? What are the specific characteristic of the variety that you...

• yoderjac
• Replies: 63
• Forum: Fruit Trees

 

[omicron1792]

Look up @TreeDaddy @Native Hunter @CrazyEd and others for many threads on grafting.

 

[omicron1792]

Fastest and best is to locate persimmon seedlings and flag them that come up in cutovers. They will pop everywhere trees were cut. They will have great native roots for grafting. Remember most will be males so If you just do nothing you won’t get much fruit.

If you want to plant some persimmon in specific areas choose cheap native persimmon native to your area. Let them grow in the ground a year, then graft them year two. These don’t require much babying.

You can also buy native and bench graft them and plant in fall. Those have to be more babied.

 

[omicron1792]

Some of us are big on chestnuts. They are the original native mast tree. You can buy native chestnut that have been bred for some resistance. Also some good hybrids like the AU Buck chestnuts. Most don’t care for Dunstan and just plant Chinese around plots and such.

Dwarf chinkapin oaks and Allegheny chinkapin are other native trees that are good to plant and produce pretty early. Often mast In 3-4 years.

Remember oaks you plant will be for your kids. You won’t get a real mast crop from them for 20-30 years. Some of the hybrids do better and can have a decent mast at 10-15 years.

 

[Double Creek]

Some of us are big on chestnuts. They are the original native mast tree. You can buy native chestnut that have been bred for some resistance. Also some good hybrids like the AU Buck chestnuts. Most don’t care for Dunstan and just plant Chinese around plots and such.

Dwarf chinkapin oaks and Allegheny chinkapin are other native trees that are good to plant and produce pretty early. Often mast In 3-4 years.

Remember oaks you plant will be for your kids. You won’t get a real mast crop from them for 20-30 years. Some of the hybrids do better and can have a decent mast at 10-15 years.

Thx for the info, I will look into grafting.

I have 4 American chestnuts in pots now hoping to put in the ground this winter. Have plans for 15-20 DCO and Allegheny in my main orchard. Hoping to get some Ozark’s this winter as well.


Luckily, I have quite a bit of oaks now, so no big rush to get more in the ground other than for aesthetics.

 

[omicron1792]

Thx for the info, I will look into grafting.

I have 4 American chestnuts in pots now hoping to put in the ground this winter. Have plans for 15-20 DCO and Allegheny in my main orchard. Hoping to get some Ozark’s this winter as well.


Luckily, I have quite a bit of oaks now, so no big rush to get more in the ground other than for aesthetics.

You’re doing great. Fun times.

 

[Double Creek]

Thanks. It is fun and I’m trying to pace myself. I can’t do it all at once.

My main focus this year is getting my food plots established, getting stands up, etc.

This place has been farmed for 100 years, so I’m a little anxious about what may be remaining in the seed bank. I’ll just have to be patient and see what happens

 

[BenA]

Southern Crabapple is the most common native. Sweet Crab was also native, but not this far south. I may plant a few see how they do.




I think TreeDaddy was teasing me with his comment about callery pear. I was just giving it back

Not sure, but I thought he was talking about grafting a better fruiting pear onto the CP to take advantage of the established root stock. I like that you're wanting to go the native route. I think it's admirable. I didn't know where you were drawing the line since you mentioned planting food plots. Most of the commonly planted food plot species aren't native. But, again, I do admire an all native approach if someone wanted to go in that direction. Most of what I manage for is native species, but i do have some planted foodplots.

 

[Double Creek]

Not sure, but I thought he was talking about grafting a better fruiting pear onto the CP to take advantage of the established root stock. I like that you're wanting to go the native route. I think it's admirable. I didn't know where you were drawing the line since you mentioned planting food plots. Most of the commonly planted food plot species aren't native. But, again, I do admire an all native approach if someone wanted to go in that direction. Most of what I manage for is native species, but i do have some planted foodplots.

You are probably right and TreeDaddy’s comment went right over my head. Sorry TreeDaddy.

Fortunately I don’t have any callery pear on this place that I have seen, but I have plenty of other invasives to deal with. The privet is everywhere and quite a bit of china berry as well.

Like I mentioned earlier, my native route will go so far as I will definitely be planting clover, etc.

I’m not on some noble quest, I just want a landscape that looks like what I grew up hunting. If you hunted fruit, it was persimmon, plum and the occasional crabapple. Oaks were whites and red. Chestnuts were gone way before my time but I’m hardheaded enough to try to get some established and hope I win the blight lottery.

 

[Double Creek]

The rain brought the rooters out of hiding. I’ll survey the damage this weekend. They are slick, they won’t come to my feeder and I rarely get a daytime pic.

 

[SwampCat]

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The rain brought the rooters out of hiding. I’ll survey the damage this weekend. They are slick, they won’t come to my feeder and I rarely get a daytime pic.

Thermal scope!

 

[Double Creek]

Thermal scope!

It’s on my wishlist! That list is getting ridiculously long though

 

[Double Creek]

I got around 10 acres disked today for a dove plot. It was really too wet but I’m running out of time. Also should have probably sprayed it first, but I think it will be fine. Hopefully it dries out a bit and I can hit it again quickly in a couple days and plant.
It was HOT out there today!

 

[Double Creek]

Took the day off to try and finish the dove plots.. I got about 1/2 done before the bottom fell out again. It’s rained every day for 10 days…

 

[Double Creek]

The millet I spilled in the driveway is thriving . I’m going over tomorrow to check on what I planted last week and hopefully finish out the dove plots if dry enough.

 

[Double Creek]

We got the rest of the dove plots done today. The millet I planted last week is coming up nicely but so are the weeds. I should have disked then sprayed instead of spraying then disking. Lesson learned. Had my middle son out helping today and learning how to be a game keeper.

We figured out that the side by side struggles to pull the 8 ft drag. The weight plus loose soil had it overheating. I’ll have to use the tractor going forward.

 

[Double Creek]

A beautiful passion flower.