What's the problem with my setup(Chestnut growing)?

MItch24

Yearling... With promise
I am happy with the success I have had with my Dunstans. I have learned a bit along the way. Out of 143 trees I have around 120 that made it. Pictures are attached showing growth to date. As you can see the trees closest to the heat and humidifier are way behind. At first I believe it was vibration from the humidifier so I disconnected the shelf from the rest of the setup. It seemed to help as the closest trays started to grow better. But these are around 10 weeks and definitely behind. I am wondering if is the humidifier spitting out City Water. Could the chemicals in the water be hurting the closest trees to the humidifier? Any advice is appreciated!!
The trees on the farthest left are around 28 inches tall. Shortest on the right is around 4 inches...
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I am no chestnut expert by any means but it looks like something may be going on with the tray on far right, to me the leaf curl lets you know right away that there is root trouble that could be moisture to high to low or those damn root eating gnats.
I would move that tray away from the other trees and back down the humidifier&heat.

The rest of your trays look awesome...well done!
 
Have you been reorganizing them according to height so you can keep the lights equidistant from the seedlings? Do you water them all at the same time? There are two basic types of humidifiers, those that evaporate water and those that atomize it. The evaporative types have some kind of replaceable filter, atomizing units don't. If you have an evaporative type, I can't imagine anything from the city water making it to the trees. I doubt that would be a problem with an atomizing unit (what I use), but I can see where it would be possible because it puts a mist of tiny water droplets into the air. Again, I doubt this is the issue.

Presuming you have not been reorganizing trees and they actually grew in the positions shown in the picture, I would suspect it is a soil moisture issue. If you water all trees at the same time, I can see where trees further from the humidifier would dry out faster. So you may be watering trees closer to the humidifier too often. Wait until you think it is time to water them. Then compare the weight of the cells furthest from the humidifier to those closest. See if they are significantly lighter. Of course some of the lightness can come from larger tops using more water but some can come from less humidity in the air.

Too much water can impact chestnut growth. If you decide to cull one, remove the medium and look at the root. I sometimes get what I call "carrot root" were the tap root is very large in diameter and there are very few lateral roots. I presume this is some pathogen but I don't know what. It seems to be associated with overwatering.

In general your chestnuts look great! I always get some small percentage of chestnuts that are runts. Some may just be genetics, some may be me getting lazy and watering them all at the same time rather than picking up each container and checking the weight. I have noticed some issue with trees too close to a fan, but for the most part, my runts are initially distributed through my trays until I reorganize my trees by height.

Thanks,

Jack
 
Have you been reorganizing them according to height so you can keep the lights equidistant from the seedlings? Do you water them all at the same time? There are two basic types of humidifiers, those that evaporate water and those that atomize it. The evaporative types have some kind of replaceable filter, atomizing units don't. If you have an evaporative type, I can't imagine anything from the city water making it to the trees. I doubt that would be a problem with an atomizing unit (what I use), but I can see where it would be possible because it puts a mist of tiny water droplets into the air. Again, I doubt this is the issue.

Presuming you have not been reorganizing trees and they actually grew in the positions shown in the picture, I would suspect it is a soil moisture issue. If you water all trees at the same time, I can see where trees further from the humidifier would dry out faster. So you may be watering trees closer to the humidifier too often. Wait until you think it is time to water them. Then compare the weight of the cells furthest from the humidifier to those closest. See if they are significantly lighter. Of course some of the lightness can come from larger tops using more water but some can come from less humidity in the air.

Too much water can impact chestnut growth. If you decide to cull one, remove the medium and look at the root. I sometimes get what I call "carrot root" were the tap root is very large in diameter and there are very few lateral roots. I presume this is some pathogen but I don't know what. It seems to be associated with overwatering.

In general your chestnuts look great! I always get some small percentage of chestnuts that are runts. Some may just be genetics, some may be me getting lazy and watering them all at the same time rather than picking up each container and checking the weight. I have noticed some issue with trees too close to a fan, but for the most part, my runts are initially distributed through my trays until I reorganize my trees by height.

Thanks,

Jack
Thanks guys. I do organize by height to an extent but the far right tray hasn't really been moved. I actually bought the same humidifers you use Jack based on a thread you made! I think you figured it out though. I wait til they start to feel light and then water. But when I water I water all. Like you Said I bet the close trees are still wet and I am not checking them. The last time I watered I did check a couple of those for weight and they were still heavy so I didn't water. I will check all weights and see if I was my own enemy... I have noticed a few trees spread around that get the leaf curl but mainly towards the bottom only. The top leaves look good. Is this a water issue? Too wet or too dry?

I have probably averaged watering every 6 days. My heat runs 75 to 79 in the day with light and falls to 63 or so with lights off.

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Thanks guys. I do organize by height to an extent but the far right tray hasn't really been moved. I actually bought the same humidifers you use Jack based on a thread you made! I think you figured it out though. I wait til they start to feel light and then water. But when I water I water all. Like you Said I bet the close trees are still wet and I am not checking them. The last time I watered I did check a couple of those for weight and they were still heavy so I didn't water. I will check all weights and see if I was my own enemy... I have noticed a few trees spread around that get the leaf curl but mainly towards the bottom only. The top leaves look good. Is this a water issue? Too wet or too dry?

I have probably averaged watering every 6 days. My heat runs 75 to 79 in the day with light and falls to 63 or so with lights off.

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I can't comment on watering frequency since it varies all over the place. You time is fine. Those are atomizing type humidifiers. I find humidity to be a second order factor in growth. If you think the humidifier is causing watering issues, I'd consider moving it away from the trees. If you can keep the humidity in the room around 30% in the winter, you will be good enough. I have lately been doing just that. I've been using a large atomizing humidifier in the basement but I don't bother with the small ones any more. I found that once I got the basement humidity up from the winter dry levels, the small humidifiers in the grow houses didn't add much and were just a pain to keep filled.

Thanks,

Jack
 
Hey Jack
I started hardening off my trees outside this week. Lows are in the mid 40s and highs are in the low 70s. Planting them next weekend. A handful of the trees are turning color on some of the leaves like the picture attached. Is this normal?
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That is sun scald. Too much sun too soon. I started acclimating my trees in mid April. I put them on my lower deck that only gets a few hours of sun in the early morning and then filtered sun. Early this week, I moved my trees to my upper deck. It gets direct sun all morning and shade in the afternoon. By the middle of this month, I'll take trees that do best in full sun and move them to full sun.

When you see that sun scald, you are moving too fast.

Thanks,

Jack
 
Thanks again Jack!! I will move them to the side of the deck closest to the house so they only get partial sunlight. Appreciate the help.

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I had that issue last year

Started mid June when texas sun really heats up

Shade cloth worked well for me

bill
 
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