Trump Assassination attempt #1 and #2

I personally don’t believe these two misfits are part of some government operation. I think they are people who have become more and more radicalized with the rhetoric. I think the rhetoric on the left is way more violent and damaging than the right and that is playing out in real time. Let’s be honest, majority of people on both sides wouldn’t care if their political nemesis was dead. It’s our new reality. We have crossed from disagreeing to eliminating. People truly feel their way of life is being threatened….wars have been fought over less. So seeing the person standing in the way of their ideals end up dead is the classic ends justifying the means. Idk the solution. We have crossed the rubicon in terms of messaging. This won’t get better until socialism takes over and suppresses speech for the worse. The idea of a democratic society was amazing in theory. The reality is we have too many people with too many hardlined opinions for it to work in practice. Additionally the pace of division is speeding up because of the immigration of ideas that do not mesh with the idea of a free, pull your weight society.
There is no running somewhere to escape this. There’s no country on earth that is practicing even the limited form of democracy that we are. I’ve always thought, a socialist could go to any country on earth and get their way politically in varying forms of government control. A person who believes in democracy cannot go anywhere but here and that is fleeting.
Really thoughtful post. I appreciate it.

I think we are learning to deal with a reality where our enemies have found ways to influence our thinking and opinions from outside our borders. I think that people within our borders have adopted these strategies and used them for their own benefit.

They want us fighting with each other.

We will learn to deal with all this. We as citizens are just at the beginning of learning how to sort out the bs that comes across our feeds. As we get better at that… things will improve.

The first step is to recognize that people are trying to manipulate us. Everywhere, all the time.

I don’t think things are as bad in this country as we are being pushed to believe. I don’t buy it.

I don’t think things are a rosy as some want us to believe. Don’t buy that either.

Still- I’m living a pretty good life. I’m not going to let some d-bag on my beloved Twitter convince me otherwise.

It has always been like this. It will always be like this. The answer needs to be forged like it always has, thoughtful discussion. The answers need to happen in city hall, in state legislatures and in dare I say it, Congress. Not the grandstanding. Not screaming at each other. Not prancing around with signs. Not shooting. Not memes. Intelligent people have to show up, discuss the whole thing and make it work.

We need to give this old truck a tune-up, not drive it off a cliff.
 
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Really thoughtful post. I appreciate it.

I think we are learning to deal with a reality where our enemies have found ways to influence our thinking and opinions from outside our borders. I think that people within our borders have adopted these strategies and used them for their own benefit.

They want us fighting with each other.

We will learn to deal with all this. We as citizens are just at the beginning of learning how to sort out the bs that comes across our feeds. As we get better at that… things will improve.

The first step is to recognize that people are trying to manipulate us. Everywhere, all the time.

I don’t think things are as bad in this country as we are being pushed to believe. I don’t buy it.

I don’t think things are a rosy as some want us to believe. Don’t buy that either.

Still- I’m living a pretty good life. I’m not going to let some d-bag on my beloved Twitter convince me otherwise.

It has always been like this. It will always be like this. The answer needs to be forged like it always has, thoughtful discussion. The answers need to happen in city hall, in state legislatures and in dare I say it, Congress. Not the grandstanding. Not screaming at each other. Not prancing around with signs. Not shooting. Not memes. Intelligent people have to show up, discuss the whole thing and make it work.

We need to give this old truck a tune-up, not drive it off a cliff.

If only the intelligent people showed up to vote, there wouldn't be any waiting lines to cast a vote.
 
If only the intelligent people showed up to vote, there wouldn't be any waiting lines to cast a vote.
I could stay home and grill some burgers or something, lol
 
The next problem with all this: the democrats are behind this? Why? How does this benefit them? Create a martyr? Create sympathy for DJT? Create an issue Donald Trump can fund raise on? It’s not in their interest. They want stability. In these last few months before the election they want a booming stock market, low gas prices and low prices. They would do anything for that right now. But instead they set this up? Killing a high level government official creates COMPLETE instability. It crashes the stock market. It reduces our standing in the world. It reduces our influence in the world. It plays into the hands of what DJT’s campaign is built on! No way the dems want that.

Now this is the second time there has been an attempt. This makes the current administration look super weak. THAT is not in their interest either. How long has it been since there was an attempt on a President, a former President or a candidate? Now there are TWO? Makes them look terrible. One of the worst things that could happen is another attempt on DJT and they know it.

I will say this- in Tehran the IRGC is kicking themselves. They WOULD like to assassinate DJT. They have to be thinking a trained operative might have been able to make this work. JIC you don’t know why, it would be because we whacked a known terrorist/IRGC general during the Trump administration on their soil. They have been trying to set up a killing of involved Trump cabinet officials ever since. I would not be one bit surprised if those a-holes took a shot at Trump before the election. Then what? You guys going to blame the dems? Have your revolution? Iran, Russia and North Korea would sure love you for that.
I don’t disagree with a lot of this. Yet why do influential Dems continue to poke the bear, calling Trump a threat to democracy and fuel this crazies? They obviously do not agree with you.
 
A nut bag pokes an AK through a chain link fence. He hangs a couple of bags on the fence (possibly containing ceramic tile) to make himself about 10 times more obvious. He has an extensive arrest record and people that know him say he is cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs .

Yep, real trained assassin there, lol. An AK? An AK with a scope. Got it. Through a fence. Ok. No concealment. Sure. Never gets within 300 yards. Sounds like he was repelled by an agent with what…..a….. Pistol? Gets photographed leaving, including the plates on the car and makes no effort to change vehicles or plates. Drives out onto an interstate bristling with license plate readers and is promptly caught. This guy had no plan, no skills, no training. This is who the shadowy government cabal with unlimited resources picked to assassinate a former U.S. president. Makes total sense now that I think about it. (If you are about to say he was a stooge… Just stop. It doesn’t make sense.)

The next problem with all this: the democrats are behind this? Why? How does this benefit them? Create a martyr? Create sympathy for DJT? Create an issue Donald Trump can fund raise on? It’s not in their interest. They want stability. In these last few months before the election they want a booming stock market, low gas prices and low prices. They would do anything for that right now. But instead they set this up? Killing a high level government official creates COMPLETE instability. It crashes the stock market. It reduces our standing in the world. It reduces our influence in the world. It plays into the hands of what DJT’s campaign is built on! No way the dems want that.

Now this is the second time there has been an attempt. This makes the current administration look super weak. THAT is not in their interest either. How long has it been since there was an attempt on a President, a former President or a candidate? Now there are TWO? Makes them look terrible. One of the worst things that could happen is another attempt on DJT and they know it.

I will say this- in Tehran the IRGC is kicking themselves. They WOULD like to assassinate DJT. They have to be thinking a trained operative might have been able to make this work. JIC you don’t know why, it would be because we whacked a known terrorist/IRGC general during the Trump administration on their soil. They have been trying to set up a killing of involved Trump cabinet officials ever since. I would not be one bit surprised if those a-holes took a shot at Trump before the election. Then what? You guys going to blame the dems? Have your revolution? Iran, Russia and North Korea would sure love you for that.

Stop and think what you are saying. This is the best country in the world. Americans don’t fight Americans. We lead the goddamn world economically and every way it matters. There have been missteps and there will be more, but show me a country that is better. If you place a bet against the U.S., you are placing a losing bet. That’s what I think.
You might be right, but this was not a scheduled event. Yet Florida law enforcement states that he set this sniper post up 12 hours before the golf outing?

How would he know ? Someone had to inform him, it’s not like he has Trumps schedule in his phone ?

There’s no way the first attempt was that easy, and there no way this guy knows Trumps schedule, without some sort of help from a person or person(s) that want Trump dead !

DeSantis says (Florida) will investigate, so I feel more confident that it won’t be covered up . Hopefully he talks… !!
 
You might be right, but this was not a scheduled event. Yet Florida law enforcement states that he set this sniper post up 12 hours before the golf outing?

How would he know ? Someone had to inform him, it’s not like he has Trumps schedule in his phone ?

There’s no way the first attempt was that easy, and there no way this guy knows Trumps schedule, without some sort of help from a person or person(s) that want Trump dead !

DeSantis says (Florida) will investigate, so I feel more confident that it won’t be covered up . Hopefully he talks… !!

I knew what camp Trump Jr was hunting from last week (completely different, i know) and I didn't go seeking that info. Sometimes people just talk about things.
 
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A nut bag pokes an AK through a chain link fence. He hangs a couple of bags on the fence (possibly containing ceramic tile) to make himself about 10 times more obvious. He has an extensive arrest record and people that know him say he is cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs .

Yep, real trained assassin there, lol. An AK? An AK with a scope. Got it. Through a fence. Ok. No concealment. Sure. Never gets within 300 yards. Sounds like he was repelled by an agent with what…..a….. Pistol? Gets photographed leaving, including the plates on the car and makes no effort to change vehicles or plates. Drives out onto an interstate bristling with license plate readers and is promptly caught. This guy had no plan, no skills, no training. This is who the shadowy government cabal with unlimited resources picked to assassinate a former U.S. president. Makes total sense now that I think about it. (If you are about to say he was a stooge… Just stop. It doesn’t make sense.)

The next problem with all this: the democrats are behind this? Why? How does this benefit them? Create a martyr? Create sympathy for DJT? Create an issue Donald Trump can fund raise on? It’s not in their interest. They want stability. In these last few months before the election they want a booming stock market, low gas prices and low prices. They would do anything for that right now. But instead they set this up? Killing a high level government official creates COMPLETE instability. It crashes the stock market. It reduces our standing in the world. It reduces our influence in the world. It plays into the hands of what DJT’s campaign is built on! No way the dems want that.

Now this is the second time there has been an attempt. This makes the current administration look super weak. THAT is not in their interest either. How long has it been since there was an attempt on a President, a former President or a candidate? Now there are TWO? Makes them look terrible. One of the worst things that could happen is another attempt on DJT and they know it.

I will say this- in Tehran the IRGC is kicking themselves. They WOULD like to assassinate DJT. They have to be thinking a trained operative might have been able to make this work. JIC you don’t know why, it would be because we whacked a known terrorist/IRGC general during the Trump administration on their soil. They have been trying to set up a killing of involved Trump cabinet officials ever since. I would not be one bit surprised if those a-holes took a shot at Trump before the election. Then what? You guys going to blame the dems? Have your revolution? Iran, Russia and North Korea would sure love you for that.

Stop and think what you are saying. This is the best country in the world. Americans don’t fight Americans. We lead the goddamn world economically and every way it matters. There have been missteps and there will be more, but show me a country that is better. If you place a bet against the U.S., you are placing a losing bet. That’s what I think.
We don't lead the world in anything with this administration, except maybe in ineptitude and clown shows
 
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I don’t mean this as a personal attack, but this is just an awful thing to say. Thats the last thing we NEED, or certainly one of them. Hyperbole like this from Trump supporters does as much to degrade his perceived credibility as anything he says himself.
 
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We don't need no damn war. You willing to send your family members into a war and die for this stupid shit? I'm not.

What we needs is people to get their heads out of their asses and figure this out. Both sides are guilty of shaking the hornets nest with memes and lies. That's what needs to stop. Too many stupid people that believe that crap.

I know there's some business owners and past owners on this sight. If you paid your employees $174,000 a year and they couldn't share ideas, work together and help each other reach a common goal what would you do with them? I know for a fact I'd shitcan them. Why would we expect anything less from our employees in Washington? There should be a way to fire them without holding an election. We have a speaker of the house that's willing to shut the government down for an amendment, that can't go into effect until after the election, to a spending bill. All while he and his comrades still get to collect their paycheck. That's just plain stupid shit.
 
And we have a former speaker who also makes 174,000 but has somehow through magic amassed some 170 million. but the current speaker is a crook? Glass houses. When the government has shut down in the past, it had ZERO effect on me. Oh wait, traffic was better back in the 90s in Minneapolis when that shut down occurred. You might think it is those that are elected and you're probably right, but there is also a massive bureaucracy that pulls the strings and makes rules without any oversight (Think alphabet people ATF, EPA Etc). Thankfully the Supreme Court has taken some steps to put a stop to that with the overturning of Chevron. I do think our elected officials need to be held accountable but who holds the Alphabet groups accountable? NO ONE.
 
I don’t disagree with a lot of this. Yet why do influential Dems continue to poke the bear, calling Trump a threat to democracy and fuel this crazies? They obviously do not agree with you.
I do wish our elected leaders would respect their office and respect us the public by being a bit more statesmanlike.

Words matter. We all should try to remember that. I am guilty of forgetting that myself.
 
We don't lead the world in anything with this administration, except maybe in ineptitude and clown shows
Sure we do. Money still flows into our country in the form of investment from all the unstable markets in the world. Countries still know if they fafo a little too much it will be us that cracks the whip. China isn’t in Taiwan.

I agree we are not as strong of an influence and I don’t like that.
 
Sure we do. Money still flows into our country in the form of investment from all the unstable markets in the world. Countries still know if they fafo a little too much it will be us that cracks the whip. China isn’t in Taiwan.

I agree we are not as strong of an influence and I don’t like that.
That's the problem, with the current administration, no one strong enough to crack a whip. Easier to bend the knee for this bunch of commies.
 
And we have a former speaker who also makes 174,000 but has somehow through magic amassed some 170 million. but the current speaker is a crook? Glass houses. When the government has shut down in the past, it had ZERO effect on me. Oh wait, traffic was better back in the 90s in Minneapolis when that shut down occurred. You might think it is those that are elected and you're probably right, but there is also a massive bureaucracy that pulls the strings and makes rules without any oversight (Think alphabet people ATF, EPA Etc). Thankfully the Supreme Court has taken some steps to put a stop to that with the overturning of Chevron. I do think our elected officials need to be held accountable but who holds the Alphabet groups accountable? NO ONE.

Never said the man was a crook, just voicing my displeasure with the fact those bozos want to shut the country down because of an amendment that won't mean a hill of beans for this election.

I'm glad that a government shutdown won't affect you, but how about thinking about the 200,000 or so employees that will be affected, no concern for them?

Some of the alphabet groups are out of control, or more likely they are all out of control to some degree. But I like clean water, air an a safe work place and no you and I don't need fully automatic weapons. I'm guessing that congress gave the alphabet groups some authority to create and enforce rules and regulations. God knows that congress can't be depended upon to pass laws to replace all the rules and regulations, they're too busy jerking each other off to accomplish anything meaningful.
 
A nut bag pokes an AK through a chain link fence. He hangs a couple of bags on the fence (possibly containing ceramic tile) to make himself about 10 times more obvious. He has an extensive arrest record and people that know him say he is cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs .

Yep, real trained assassin there, lol. An AK? An AK with a scope. Got it. Through a fence. Ok. No concealment. Sure. Never gets within 300 yards. Sounds like he was repelled by an agent with what…..a….. Pistol? Gets photographed leaving, including the plates on the car and makes no effort to change vehicles or plates. Drives out onto an interstate bristling with license plate readers and is promptly caught. This guy had no plan, no skills, no training. This is who the shadowy government cabal with unlimited resources picked to assassinate a former U.S. president. Makes total sense now that I think about it. (If you are about to say he was a stooge… Just stop. It doesn’t make sense.)

The next problem with all this: the democrats are behind this? Why? How does this benefit them? Create a martyr? Create sympathy for DJT? Create an issue Donald Trump can fund raise on? It’s not in their interest. They want stability. In these last few months before the election they want a booming stock market, low gas prices and low prices. They would do anything for that right now. But instead they set this up? Killing a high level government official creates COMPLETE instability. It crashes the stock market. It reduces our standing in the world. It reduces our influence in the world. It plays into the hands of what DJT’s campaign is built on! No way the dems want that.

Now this is the second time there has been an attempt. This makes the current administration look super weak. THAT is not in their interest either. How long has it been since there was an attempt on a President, a former President or a candidate? Now there are TWO? Makes them look terrible. One of the worst things that could happen is another attempt on DJT and they know it.

I will say this- in Tehran the IRGC is kicking themselves. They WOULD like to assassinate DJT. They have to be thinking a trained operative might have been able to make this work. JIC you don’t know why, it would be because we whacked a known terrorist/IRGC general during the Trump administration on their soil. They have been trying to set up a killing of involved Trump cabinet officials ever since. I would not be one bit surprised if those a-holes took a shot at Trump before the election. Then what? You guys going to blame the dems? Have your revolution? Iran, Russia and North Korea would sure love you for that.

Stop and think what you are saying. This is the best country in the world. Americans don’t fight Americans. We lead the goddamn world economically and every way it matters. There have been missteps and there will be more, but show me a country that is better. If you place a bet against the U.S., you are placing a losing bet. That’s what I think.

Much of your logic doesn't follow. Your argument seems predicated on the assumption it was the Democratic party who is ultimately responsible for the attempts. It also assumes that Trump's assassination would throw the country into chaos. Both of those scenarios are unlikely.

I would like to point out, first of all, that several attempts have been made against US presidents and presidential candidates, with at least a few of them successful. Did any of those incidents plunge the country into an unrecoverable decline? Obviously not. Would assassinating Trump, or Trump's sudden death by any other means, plunge the country into an unrecoverable decline? Obviously not. The people with the money and power to pull off something like this are well insulated from a possible temporary instability in the US, and if they stand to lose a lot from a Trump presidency, they might be desperate enough to see assassination as the better alternative regardless.

As far as the Democratic party being responsible, that's unlikely. They hate him, but not enough to kill him. Trump in the Whitehouse doesn't really hurt the Democrats. It really only hurts Harris and Walz, who the party doesn't really care about anyway. Look how the party dropped Hillary Clinton when she lost to Trump. And do you recall how they railroaded one of their own when they actively tried to suppress Sanders? The most likely culprits are foreign governments and possibly the CIA/FBI. Foreign agents have been pouring into our country across the Mexican border for the last 3 years or so. Countries like China and Iran have the most to gain by eliminating Trump. Hell, even the Ukrainians have reasons to be worried about a Trump presidency. As unlikely as it is for the CIA and FBI to be involved, they have a lot to lose (again) if Trump gets back into the Whitehouse.

As far as powerful organizations using apparent buffoons as triggermen, this is the least surprising aspect of the entire debacle. In fact, I would say it's par for the course. Which assassination in US history was carried out by a well trained agent? Any group or individual interested in carrying out such a high profile assassination wants to be insulated from the actual triggerman. That means throwing whatever unstable lunatic or fanatic you can find against your target. That also contributes to the fact that most high profile assassination attempts are unsuccessful. How many times did the US and other parties try to kill Fidel Castro? How many attempt were made against Hitler, Pope Jean Paul II, Yasser Arafat, etc.

Do I think there is a conspiracy? No, not yet. But the two would-be assassins have been featured in online videos, one for BlackRock, and one for the Ukrainian military. That means these two individuals were "on the radar", so to speak. They were not that difficult to track down, should someone be so inclined. Does that mean there is a conspiracy? No. But it certainly makes it start to look like a conspiracy, which is exactly what I said.

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