Trees orders?

Anybody order any more?

Added (2) sweet 16's on M111, and enterprise and liberty on M111, and a refree on M7 to my mehrabyan order. Scooped up (3) B118s to try at camp. Probablu put them on Kerr and turning point. I lso bought (2) mullberry plants and (2) grafted northrup mulberry plants good for zone 3. The 3 will go up north and i'll keep one at home for scion material and seeds. Also, bought a few more winterwildlife's and another kerr from SLN.


Derek,

Redfield is a great cider apple and I believe whitetail crabs still sells them. When you go to pick up your order, ask for some ugly duckling trees and I can send some fraklin cider scion to you. Roxbury russet, golden russet, empire, and wickson make good cider apples as well as decent to grow trees not too disease fussy or early growing. jonagold goldrush and gala are used.

Basically you need enough sugar to make the alcohol and should have enough acid to store well (sharp). A little bitterness is added for finish and flavor too. hewes, harrison, and the russets are the most common. Kingston black is a tough tree to grow, but makes really good cider. When you see red ciders, it usually almata or redfield.

I sorta gave up on making hard cider. The stuff burns my stomache too much. I will still make some when my trees are bigger, but just make a bit for friends at camp. May give apple jack or apple brandy a go. Asked for some apple brandy for christmas, nobody gave me any. Was going to play with a mix of pristine williams pride or redfree, some cranberry redflesh apple, and chestnut. All early trees. Lot of way to make cider. OFten decent juicing apples and some crabapples for some bitterness and acid.

I have alot of breweries around my part of NY. Some stuff the booze snobs called great tastes like dishwater to me. I like that sweeter cheap stuff. Add sorbitol or add pear varieties high in sorbitol, there are alot of them. Juice the apples varieties individually, then try a few different mix ratios, then try em out.
 
bigboreblr said:
Anybody order any more?

Added (2) sweet 16's on M111, and enterprise and liberty on M111, and a refree on M7 to my mehrabyan order. Scooped up (3) B118s to try at camp. Probablu put them on Kerr and turning point. I lso bought (2) mullberry plants and (2) grafted northrup mulberry plants good for zone 3. The 3 will go up north and i'll keep one at home for scion material and seeds. Also, bought a few more winterwildlife's and another kerr from SLN.


Derek,

Redfield is a great cider apple and I believe whitetail crabs still sells them. When you go to pick up your order, ask for some ugly duckling trees and I can send some fraklin cider scion to you. Roxbury russet, golden russet, empire, and wickson make good cider apples as well as decent to grow trees not too disease fussy or early growing. jonagold goldrush and gala are used.

Basically you need enough sugar to make the alcohol and should have enough acid to store well (sharp). A little bitterness is added for finish and flavor too. hewes, harrison, and the russets are the most common. Kingston black is a tough tree to grow, but makes really good cider. When you see red ciders, it usually almata or redfield.

I sorta gave up on making hard cider. The stuff burns my stomache too much. I will still make some when my trees are bigger, but just make a bit for friends at camp. May give apple jack or apple brandy a go. Asked for some apple brandy for christmas, nobody gave me any. Was going to play with a mix of pristine williams pride or redfree, some cranberry redflesh apple, and chestnut. All early trees. Lot of way to make cider. OFten decent juicing apples and some crabapples for some bitterness and acid.

I have alot of breweries around my part of NY. Some stuff the booze snobs called great tastes like dishwater to me. I like that sweeter cheap stuff. Add sorbitol or add pear varieties high in sorbitol, there are alot of them. Juice the apples varieties individually, then try a few different mix ratios, then try em out.
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No but I'm strongly considering taking an acre food plot and making it entirely orchard, figuring about 70 trees.

I have a few hundred Dolgo rootstocks in a nursery, thinking I'll plant them in final locations and graft in a year or so, gives me a little time to decide on final varieties and grow scion wood on trees I currently have that are younger.
 
I’ve only ordered rootstock from Mahrabyan. Would like to solely focus on grafting in 2025. But the longer the stock lasts at Blue Hill I feel I’ll be too tempted to purchase.
 
bigboreblr said:
Anybody order any more?

Added (2) sweet 16's on M111, and enterprise and liberty on M111, and a refree on M7 to my mehrabyan order. Scooped up (3) B118s to try at camp. Probablu put them on Kerr and turning point. I lso bought (2) mullberry plants and (2) grafted northrup mulberry plants good for zone 3. The 3 will go up north and i'll keep one at home for scion material and seeds. Also, bought a few more winterwildlife's and another kerr from SLN.


Derek,

Redfield is a great cider apple and I believe whitetail crabs still sells them. When you go to pick up your order, ask for some ugly duckling trees and I can send some fraklin cider scion to you. Roxbury russet, golden russet, empire, and wickson make good cider apples as well as decent to grow trees not too disease fussy or early growing. jonagold goldrush and gala are used.

Basically you need enough sugar to make the alcohol and should have enough acid to store well (sharp). A little bitterness is added for finish and flavor too. hewes, harrison, and the russets are the most common. Kingston black is a tough tree to grow, but makes really good cider. When you see red ciders, it usually almata or redfield.

I sorta gave up on making hard cider. The stuff burns my stomache too much. I will still make some when my trees are bigger, but just make a bit for friends at camp. May give apple jack or apple brandy a go. Asked for some apple brandy for christmas, nobody gave me any. Was going to play with a mix of pristine williams pride or redfree, some cranberry redflesh apple, and chestnut. All early trees. Lot of way to make cider. OFten decent juicing apples and some crabapples for some bitterness and acid.

I have alot of breweries around my part of NY. Some stuff the booze snobs called great tastes like dishwater to me. I like that sweeter cheap stuff. Add sorbitol or add pear varieties high in sorbitol, there are alot of them. Juice the apples varieties individually, then try a few different mix ratios, then try em out.
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Thanks for the heads up! I have a red field from WC that I planted in 2021. It’s not in the best spot (kinda swampy) but the tree is like 12’ tall and kinda spindly. It’s leaning a little and hasn’t fruited yet. Thinking it should fruit this year. Will only be doing “soft” cider to start when I get enough apples/crabs to make a go of it, then start experimenting with adding dashes of crabs or applecrabs here and there…
 
If you were going to do a whole acre orchard would it be cheaper to individually cage each tree or put a fence around the whole thing to keep the deer out?
 
bjseiler said:
If you were going to do a whole acre orchard would it be cheaper to individually cage each tree or put a fence around the whole thing to keep the deer out?
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Don’t know the cost of fencing for the whole acre, but for me it was something like 30-40$/tree for caging, window screen for the trunk, limestone screening (rocks for around the trunk) and then t posts or other material to secure the caging..if to cage the whole acre is cheaper than that per tree go for it..but I also want to hunt around my trees..watched a doe last year try to push a cage over to get to a tree that had 3, yes 3! Crabapples on it…it doesn’t take long!!
 
bjseiler said:
If you were going to do a whole acre orchard would it be cheaper to individually cage each tree or put a fence around the whole thing to keep the deer out?
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I caged trees individually as I only planted 5 per yr. If going to the trouble and expense of doing a mass planting of 1 acre at once it might be better to fence the whole thing, but I don't know. Wire fence or electric would be your options. I don't think electric is ever 100% effective though. I'd be curious on what you decide.
 
bjseiler said:
If you were going to do a whole acre orchard would it be cheaper to individually cage each tree or put a fence around the whole thing to keep the deer out?
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An acre in an square is 208 feet a side. 830 feet of fencing. Thats equivalent to 83 10ft cages. I have a double row of 25x25, which is very good for well pruned m111's or B118. I almost think full sized antonovka'sor dolgo rootstock would like more, but they would do ok in 25x25. 8 evenly spaced lengths makes for a row of 7 trees plus a half length on the ends. Thats 26ft. 49 trees per acre in a 25ft by 25ft spacing.

10ft of 4ft fence is minimum. However, fencing an area and keeping deer out take more than 4ft fencing. And you need more expensive posts, a gate or two.
 
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Derek Reese 29 said:
Don’t know the cost of fencing for the whole acre, but for me it was something like 30-40$/tree for caging, window screen for the trunk, limestone screening (rocks for around the trunk) and then t posts or other material to secure the caging..if to cage the whole acre is cheaper than that per tree go for it..but I also want to hunt around my trees..watched a doe last year try to push a cage over to get to a tree that had 3, yes 3! Crabapples on it…it doesn’t take long!!
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Each tree most likely you would have to build a high fence to keep deer out versus small loops around each tree.
 
bigboreblr said:
An acre in an square is 208 feet a side. 830 feet of fencing. Thats equivalent to 83 10ft cages. I have a double row of 25x25, which is very good for well pruned m111's or B118. I almost think full sized antonovka'sor dolgo rootstock would like more, but they would do ok in 25x25. 8 evenly spaced lengths makes for a row of 7 trees plus a half length on the ends. Thats 26ft. 49 trees per acre in a 25ft by 25ft spacing.

10ft of 4ft fence is minimum. However, fencing an area and keeping deer out take more than 4ft fencing. And you need more expensive posts, a gate or two.
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Thanks for doing the math..mine at only spaced out 20’x20’ so I may run into issues in the future but I use 5’ 2x4” fencing at 9-10’ lengths. I try to prune my trees so the first limbs start at about the top of the cages or somewhat near that..
 
You guys are a bad/good influence. Emailed with Terry at Whitetail Crabs and ordered a few trees. Liberty and Arkansas Black for eating, Chestnut crab for pollinating, and a 30-06 crab for the deer.
We'll see how the trees do, but I can already say that Terry's customer service is top notch. He answered all my questions fully and helped me pick trees that made sense. Would recommend.
 
Stubborn1VT said:
You guys are a bad/good influence. Emailed with Terry at Whitetail Crabs and ordered a few trees. Liberty and Arkansas Black for eating, Chestnut crab for pollinating, and a 30-06 crab for the deer.
We'll see how the trees do, but I can already say that Terry's customer service is top notch. He answered all my questions fully and helped me pick trees that made sense. Would recommend.
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Why did you decide on 30-06? I see he has a bunch of choices for deer.
 
I don't have much room left for more fruit trees, so I'm going the shrub/bush route now. Got 25 hazelnuts on the way. Trying to find some strawberry bush at a reasonable price now too. I think I might get some service berry locally too. That'll give me 75 shrubs to plant. I think that's enough for now. haha. I thought about relocating some trees too, if I can dig them reasonably easy.
 
MW22392 said:
Why did you decide on 30-06? I see he has a bunch of choices for deer.
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I chose it because Terry recommended it, and because it has good CAR resistance.
 
You did well with the 30-06. I hear the fruit doesn't stay ripe on the vine, but the deer gladly lick up the applesauce in the fall. Crossbow is a very interesting tree. The bugs seem to leave it alone. It grows great, good branch angles. The tree reminds me alot of kerr. Thinking he doesnt sell kerr because of crossbow.

Should picked up enterprise, kinda like liberty's best friend..... Arkansas Black is not bad at all, got one at home. Try to talk the southern guys on here into that tree, very drought resistant, especially on M111. Good marketing angle going into the oaks and chestnuts. Be nice adding some dogwood to his store. That'll be the next hunter craze, building bedding.

Just looked at his site. He has litterally doubled his variety since I bought from him in 2021. How I got a new idea from him, planting oaks. That swamp oak can hide from the loggers in the swamp. I am also building a hunting blind overlooking a swamp crossing between 2 big hills.

Stubborn1, Take a peek at your state nursery. Not sure what VT has, but if you're nearby to greenwich NY, washington county soil and water has a spring seedling sale like most NY counties. They can also be a pickup spot for the nysdec spring seedling sale. I buy from that state and from the county where I pick up every year. dogwood, pines, way too many spruces, tulip trees, they got oaks, hazelnuts, chestnuts I think too, blueberries, raspberries. All good prices.

Tree & Shrub | Washington County Soil & Water Conservation District

washingtoncountyswcd.org washingtoncountyswcd.org

derek, I wish I went a bit smaller sometimes. Just want pretty much all of the varieties. I do tihnk 20x20 and hunting from a treestand might be a bit rough at times, atleast for gun hunting, if not bow too. Nice small window'd ground blind might be the ticket.
 
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bigboreblr said:
You did well with the 30-06. I hear the fruit doesn't stay ripe on the vine, but the deer gladly lick up the applesauce in the fall. Crossbow is a very interesting tree. The bugs seem to leave it alone. It grows great, good branch angles. The tree reminds me alot of kerr. Thinking he doesnt sell kerr because of crossbow.

Should picked up enterprise, kinda like liberty's best friend..... Arkansas Black is not bad at all, got one at home. Try to talk the southern guys on here into that tree, very drought resistant, especially on M111. Good marketing angle going into the oaks and chestnuts. Be nice adding some dogwood to his store. That'll be the next hunter craze, building bedding.

Just looked at his site. He has litterally doubled his variety since I bought from him in 2021. How I got a new idea from him, planting oaks. That swamp oak can hide from the loggers in the swamp. I am also building a hunting blind overlooking a swamp crossing between 2 big hills.

Stubborn1, Take a peek at your state nursery. Not sure what VT has, but if you're nearby to greenwich NY, washington county soil and water has a spring seedling sale like most NY counties. They can also be a pickup spot for the nysdec spring seedling sale. I buy from that state and from the county where I pick up every year. dogwood, pines, way too many spruces, tulip trees, they got oaks, hazelnuts, chestnuts I think too, blueberries, raspberries. All good prices.

Tree & Shrub | Washington County Soil & Water Conservation District

washingtoncountyswcd.org washingtoncountyswcd.org

derek, I wish I went a bit smaller sometimes. Just want pretty much all of the varieties. I do tihnk 20x20 and hunting from a treestand might be a bit rough at times, atleast for gun hunting, if not bow too. Nice small window'd ground blind might be the ticket.
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Enterprise was sold out. I have Freedom to keep Liberty company.

I've been propagating red osier dogwood from cuttings. There isn't a ton on our little piece, but I got permission from the neighbor to cut on their side. I have done 80-100 the last two springs. Last year was about 80% success, so I'm gaining.

I looked at the state offerings earlier. Wasn't impressed with the variety or the price.

With only 5-6 acres to work with, I have to pick and choose my projects. This year will be apple trees, trying to plant a triail/plot, and adding more dogwood.
 
Stubborn1VT said:
Enterprise was sold out. I have Freedom to keep Liberty company.

I've been propagating red osier dogwood from cuttings. There isn't a ton on our little piece, but I got permission from the neighbor to cut on their side. I have done 80-100 the last two springs. Last year was about 80% success, so I'm gaining.

I looked at the state offerings earlier. Wasn't impressed with the variety or the price.

With only 5-6 acres to work with, I have to pick and choose my projects. This year will be apple trees, trying to plant a triail/plot, and adding more dogwood.
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Find a local place that sell winter rye? Changed my food plotting almost 180. Now it's cheap, fast, and easy. The critters who stare at headlights are now enjoying an acre of foodplot for $30 bucks.
 
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